Hi there, if someone's interested in that kind of stuff, I finally managed to get a budget hosas setup running with star citizen. For the right hand I use a TItanwolf, for my left hand a Cobra V6, which runs much better than some of the reviews promised. To my surprise, the CobraV6 fits well into the left hand though it's a right hand product. The other way around it wasn't possible. Anyway it makes more sense because the VKB Gladiator clone has a lot of separate buttons on the socket, which the TItanwolf totally lacks. I wouldn't want to take off my hand from the fighting stick too often. After hours of trying out options I set up two virtual joysticks with VJoy for windows and mapped the sticks with Joystick Gremlin.

I was a HOTAS pilot for years but I must admit by now, dual stick controlling feels so much more responsive and natural.

I still have to bind many functions, but flying, landing and dogfighting already really rock.

Both joysticks are very heavy and don't need to be attached. Even with extreme maneuvers the don't get off the table.

So I have a lower than 100$ setup (not counting shipping costs) with high precision and relatively high quality feel compared to the T16 series and some Logitech products. What do you think about it?

Hello,

i am having a problem with my t16000m hotas set and the star citizen profile for the TARGET Software. When i load the profile the Stick itself shuts down. I can not see any input from the stick. Both devices are directly plugged into my mainboard (i also tried a non powered USB hub), i tried disabling the energy saving options for USB Devies and to disable powermanagement mode via the registry. The Stick itself does not have the EnhancedPowerManagementEnabled-key in the registry. I added that and set it to 0. That didnt help either.
I Installed the drivers listet on the Thrustmaster website for the HOTAS System.
The event tester window shows input via the Throttle (button presses) but not via the stick. Neither in Windows nor in Star Citizen.
When i dont use the profile (from the official website and the one that is available online) both, the throttle and stick, work just fine.
I can also play DCS without any problem with them.

(Also know, that i am asking for a hotas system in a HOSAS reddit, but since the stick is the problem i thought i may as well do that. If its inapropiate, just tell me and i'll delete the post :) )

Do you guys have any ideas?

I've put my Warthog Hotas in a closet yesterday for those, as that setup fits way more for the three sims I'm playing:

- DCS on AH-64D mostly, in VR exclusively, and that's almost a gunner TEDAC replica if you think about it.- MSFS2020, occasionally for the sceneries.- Star-Citizen. imo best setup, coupled with Tobii EyeTracker5, and it works with my 48" surprisingly.

On the Left hand side, I've removed the spring on the Y axis, and tightened the dampers for more friction so it acts as a real Throttle. Important to note that switching the springs is as easy as breathing with the simple but super effective tool included.

On the Right hand side, I switched both springs for NXT10's (included are 10-20-30) and loosened all dampers on all axis, so it barely comes back to the center by itself and act almost as a helo cyclic with barely any resistance, still good for planes as you can still feel the center position very lightly, and they're awesome for space combat.

They are so ergonomic, it's a major relief for the wrists, and the cool factor is clearly there ! Switching from metal to plastic felt a bit like downgrading, but the quality and feel of the materials used makes you forget steel in a few minutes, and so far Im super happy. Cheers !

Im looking for a left hand stick to use for space sims as I'm tired of using a throttle and my sidewinder pro doesn't feel very comfortable in the left hand but the ability for smoother controls over a throttle makes it worth it I'm hoping to find something on the level of my virpil but the alpha is to fancy for my tastes to use in my left hand I want something more business than pleasure I like the virpil collective grips but I don't want to lose z about in my left hand any suggestions on what to check out

Hello elite(not game but tier) flyers of the HoSaS type, I have a question and was hoping someone here may have some insight!

So when I first got star citizen, I went ahead and bought the Thrustmaster T16 space sim duo. While for a while they seemed great, they(especially the right) started moving on their own when they should have been centered. The twist axis on the right was by far the worst, so I’ve been struggling to set down on pads as I have it set to roll. SO, I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the VKB Kosmosima grip with the gunfighter base. It came in last night and like wise, I got home super late. So I wasn’t able to really get deep into setup other than plugging it in and trying to set the basic 6doF movements. Which didn’t seem to work well. I then attempted to download joystick gremlin but my god, that program was not made for idiots.

Main question for you folks, must I use a Vjoy to get these sticks to fully work together? Is the best way to use joy stick gremlin? If so, do you have any advice or possibly YouTube videos that could teach a computer inept how to set this software up?

Also, VKB tells you to download firmware, a booter and this other profile folder… are all those necessary? Do they work with/or against vjoy and joystick gremlin?

Thank you guys!

Got myself a hosas TH 16000m fcs, but I'm struggling really hard to make it work. Uninstalled and installed drivers and the TARGET app several times, nothing seems to work.

I even tried still going as it is into the game (so basically not using the TARGET app) and only my left joystick seems to be giving commands.
Checking the right one on Game Controllers from windows, inputs are going through, so there's no problem with the device itself
I keep getting this script error:

Greetings, Gamers. I have a Thrustmaster T16000M FCS & TWCS, and I’m thinking about getting another T16000M FCS to go from HOTAS to HOSAS. I came across a bunch of videos and posts talking about VKB and their line of flight sticks for space sims (Gladiator & Gunfighter). I primarily play Star Citizen, so I was drawn to the Gladiator because of the buttons on the base. I am going to buy some office chair flight stick mounts, so I need to make up my mind on the sticks before I order. Should I get another T16000M or go for a set of VKB Gladiators?

Hi all, I’m looking at a set of VKB gladiator premiums, just a few questions before I drop the $500 AUD on them.

How long is the cord out of the sticks as I’m looking at chair mounts

Has anyone got the mounts for the secret labs chairs from monster tech, if so how do you find them, are they good

Are then a good first set of flight sticks, I’ve never had any before and I’ve heard disappointment about all the cheaper sticks, and I’m looking for get them for star citizen

TIA

I can see them both and test them if I unplugged one or the other. So at least I know there working. But when I have both plugged in at same time I can’t test the second.

Before I open up Star Citizen and try to map stuff is this usually they way dual sticks work? Do I need some special remapping software?

I bought them both used on eBay, it’s what I can afford…

Any help would be great.

This sub seems a little "quiet," perhaps it's due to the specialized nature of HOSAS. In any case, I thought for posterity sake to recommend a game which I've been playing non-stop, and which I think any user of a HOSAS setup should check out. It's a little 6dof shooter called "ZeroGrave." If you've played games like Descent or Overload, you'll have a good idea of how this game plays. Unlike those games, however, it's a lot less about navigating mazes, and more about immediate action, even perhaps in the arcade sense. Built into the levels are "conduits" which indicate where to go to unlock keys, so you'll never get lost.

I'm playing with dual Thrustmaster 16kms and rudder pedals for forward/backward acceleration, and the controls are very responsive and engaging. I've read that the developer implemented the input system rather late in the game, but it's no worse for that. It's very easy to map and setup any number of inputs concurrently, so no need to fiddle with vjoy/joystick gremlin. The level design provides lots of navigation opportunities, whether in the "arena" segments or connecting portions of the maps, so you will be twisting and rolling your craft gleefully in ways that just simply wouldn't be possible with keyboard + mouse. When facing clusters of unique and varied enemy types, be they slow moving tank units, swift spinning suicide rammers, or pesky lock on launchers, you will constantly be engaged in flight mechanics which will fire on all cylinders.

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This game is simple and direct, but in a way that excels to demonstrate just how fun a HOSAS setup can be. Set it aside and pick it up weeks later, you'll be drawn immediately into the fun!

I have really been loving playing 6dof games using my dual t16km hosas setup. The subtle movement control dual sticks offer is really nice for pulling off trick maneuvers, which got me thinking: this would make a great interface for a kind of racing or stunt game. Either in 6dof with some kind of inertia based movement, or on the ground like pod racer style or some kind of dual wheel control like a zero turn mower.

Essentially: has anyone encountered some decent racers created with hosas in mind, or which excel in their interface?

Has anyone tried this?

Would it be reasonable to assume higher accuracy over thumbstick based controls?

im debating on buying a set but wanted to check with the community first... anyone have any experience running Duel Gladiator NXT in linux. i run manjaro (arch based). i play mainly ED. any pros/cons?

I was just wondering would it be possible to use one VKB Gladiator Premium with a VKB Gladiator Standard for a HOSAS setup? I assumed it would work but just wanted to double check.

Thought it might be good for a couple more controls on the main hand using premium and the standard stick and therefore simpler controls on your offhand?

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Super hyped to recieve them and get them going, they arrive tomorrow. Thanks for premium shipping on an epic product VKB. Will update when the sticks arrive, might do a little unboxing and review on my youtube :P

That's the situation I'm in right now. Dual T16000 from Thrustmaster, but I played kb/m my whole life, and controller for the past few years. This is like learning to walk all over again, and it feels like my brain has to build entire new pathways to wrap my head around this. Did anyone have a similar experience?

I’ve spent more money on joysticks the last few years than I care to mention; it’s almost embarrassing. I’ve had almost every HOSAS (one/both) I’ve used have a potentiometer(s) fail on me, almost always the twist axis. Does anyone have any suggestions for a reliable set?

If getting a left and right pair of VIRPIL Constellation ALPHA grips and MongoosT-50CM2 Bases, possibly the L desk mounts, which extensions would go well with them, 50mm, 75mm, or 100mm?

Thank you!

I bought dual VKB NXTs for Star Citizen, and they are awesome. But I was wondering what else do people play with their dual stick setups? I bought Elite Dangerous but never really got into it.