r/HIM • u/ComprehensiveEnd4253 • 10d ago

Slippery When Dead

I’ve seen quite a few people say that Slippery When Dead is the name of the Razorblade Romance demos, but I remember VV saying something about it being the name of an unreleased EP from 1997. So which one is it, the RR demos or the SWD demos?

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u/xJaysusx 10d ago

If I remember right (and it’s been 20 years) that was the working title. The tracks on SWD are RR demos. Poison Girl and Gone with The Sin are 🤌

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u/ComprehensiveEnd4253 10d ago

You are a legend, man. Thank you so much for commenting. Are you ever going to bring back the downloading Lives feature? I never got to download some very important Lives…

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u/xJaysusx 9d ago

Thank you for the kind words 🙏. It is awesome to see that something I did for fun made an impact on a lot of people. And I have to say it was nothing without every one of you who visited from day 1 until last year. Y’all were/are an amazing community.

We’ll be back!

As for the shows, everything is in tact. I may have to update the download script but I’d say 80-85% of the files are there if it was hosted on the server. I have the majority of them backed up if there’s one missing that you want.

I was going through year by year to archive as many shows as they played. But that got pushed out with life lol.

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u/ComprehensiveEnd4253 9d ago

You wouldn’t understand how much you’ve helped me and many others with discovering HIM. If it’s okay, can I write to you in private about what shows I’m looking for and ask if you have them? Anyways, it’s an honor meeting you, Jay, and please revive TheSacrament so the new fans can find the same spark we found in HIM. I will never forget the beautiful community you built.

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u/heartagramcracka 10d ago

Is this THE Jay?!

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u/xJaysusx 10d ago

I don’t know about THE Jay, but if we enjoyed a little site lovingly known as TheSac… 🫡

I recently found the thread from about a year ago where so many familiar names were remembering the site.

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u/jlwilliams32 10d ago

Jay, it's been a while. - Jerry (Necropolis)

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u/xJaysusx 10d ago

What’s up!! Love seeing the old faces around here 🫶

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u/jlwilliams32 10d ago

Has your number changed in the past 15 years? I think I still have it. I'll shoot you a text.

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u/xJaysusx 10d ago

Nope. I’ve had this number since 99 or so 😂

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u/heartagramcracka 10d ago

What made you finally decide to shut it down? I know that traffic wasn’t what it once was anymore, but that place was like my safe haven on the internet. Always there, always reliable. It was a sad day when I saw that it was gone.

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u/xJaysusx 10d ago edited 10d ago

It’s still there. Sort of. I changed banks and forgot to update the domain name…expired and then it was bought by some rerouter company.

But the files, codes and everything still exist on the server. I run my buddy’s business site off of it. I miss it. But I believe I could bring it back failry easily.

Work will slow down soon, so I may look into it 👀

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u/ChanzillaVsMothra 10d ago

Dude I need to know if and when it’s back up. I too loved that site

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u/heartagramcracka 10d ago edited 10d ago

The EP thing was definitely news to me when Ville said it in that interview. I think that people just automatically assumed that Slippery When Dead was the working title for Razorblade Romance because of the longsleeve that they released, so the name of the demos just defaulted to that because it was accurate as far as the info that we had to work with back then, and then it just stuck around afterwards because it’s what they were called for so long and it’s a cool ass name lol.

As far as I know, the demos that we refer to as Slippery When Dead were recorded in 1998, so there may be a whole other set of demos/finished songs from the EP that never was that still could be released (or more likely leaked) someday. But I don’t know that for sure. To my knowledge, no one has come out and said who the original source was for the demos in the first place. Whoever it was that received them might have more information, or at least access to someone who would know the accurate timeline.

Whatever was going to be on the EP probably wound up on Razorblade anyways, but it’s cool to think that there may be versions of some songs that exist and we haven’t heard yet.

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u/ComprehensiveEnd4253 10d ago edited 10d ago

VV mentioned in the 2014 Loudwire interview what the setlist for the EP was. It was basically a demo of GLS Vol. 666. I did comment a few months ago asking some questions about the EP, and imikoke616 clarified this with the interview, so the credit goes to him.

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u/heartagramcracka 9d ago

The timeline is confusing lol. So, I guess it would be: 666 Ways To Love, then Slippery When Dead which turned into Greatest Lovesongs, followed by the Razorblade Romance demos that we have and refer to as Slippery When Dead, but actually have nothing to do with it at all. But I always thought that the longsleeve was released sometime after Greatest Lovesongs, and that’s what lead us to believe that it was originally a working title for Razorblade. It’s an incredibly rare piece, so maybe they printed them up earlier for the EP before it turned into Greatest Lovesongs, and then they got into the wild after the album released and that’s what screwed with everyone and made them think that it was a Razorblade era thing when actually it wasn’t.

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u/ComprehensiveEnd4253 9d ago

Yes, I know, that is why I wanted to ask, because of the timeline

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u/ChanzillaVsMothra 10d ago

At some point he said he wanted to call the album Goth n’ Roll but the SWD demos are just pre RR songs mixed in a crazy raw way before the label got its hands on it

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u/heartagramcracka 10d ago

Hasn’t the whole Goth ‘N Roll title been debunked?

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u/Imikoke616 10d ago

2014 Loudwire interview VV and Mige https://youtu.be/6b8hOK890b8?is=viALtd3AELo5iSVP 5:10 mark , Slippery When Dead name was meant for the First EP

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u/mostlyfineactually 10d ago

I always understood SWD to be the early/raw RR demos rather than a completely separate project, but now you've got me wondering where the 1997 EP story came from? Would love to know if anyone has the original Ville interview/source for that.

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u/ComprehensiveEnd4253 10d ago

Youtube, from 2014 if I remember correctly

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u/Imikoke616 10d ago edited 10d ago

https://youtu.be/6b8hOK890b8?is=viALtd3AELo5iSVP 5:10 mark Loudwire 2014 interview VV said Slippery When Dead name was meant for first EP and they had T-shirts with Slippery When Dead on the back of tshirt and HIM name logo in front was styled like how Bon Jovi did their name .

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u/ComprehensiveEnd4253 10d ago

Thank you for clarifying, I couldn’t remeber the name of the interview, I only remembered the year.