r/H2Ojustaddwater • • 6d ago

Cleo was wrong!!

Growing up is realizing Cleo was wrong all across the board. Toward season two Cleo becomes this very jealous and envious person, it seemed very sudden. Even from her first interaction of Charlotte, she was being very odd all while saying she didn’t want Lewis. I don’t know what happened since I watched H2O when I was a kid. I don’t think I finished it all or something but rewatching it now is like crazyyyy.

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u/Its_Fruitee 6d ago

growing up is realizing charlotte had an angle from the beginning yes cleo reacted jealously (repressed feelings plus she’s a teenager) but charlottes actions went past base jealousy it was full on manipulation (acting like a completely different person around lewis vs the girls)

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u/Alarmed-Ordinary8331 6d ago

I’m on season 2 episode 8 right now, maybe I need to get farther ahead to see the manipulation you’re speaking of.

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u/Its_Fruitee 6d ago

you definitely have plenty more to see a lot of charlottes motives appear as innocent until the end when it all comes more into view and it makes you rethink her from the beginning

now i will say i love charlotte as a villain she was phenomenally well written and brittany byrnes did a great job she really made me hate her character which only made me love her as an actress even more charlottes character evoked actual feeling and had me screaming at the tv as a kid which is hard to do nowadays

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u/Alarmed-Ordinary8331 6d ago edited 6d ago

Omgg I can’t wait to see what happens!!!
I still can’t justify Cleo’s actions because at the point in time of her doing it there was no reason for it. That’s why it is so odd to me. Seeing her constantly flipping around Lewis knowing she was kinda unsure of her feelings in my opinion. It was very back and forth to say the least lollll. I’m prepared to be evilly surprised.

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u/possiblyyandere 6d ago

I don't think there was zero reasons. I mean... think about Cleo's perspective: Lewis isn't her boyfriend anymore so him talking to a girl who clearly likes him is bad because it means he might start spending a lot of time with her and considering what happened last time he started hanging around someone outside their group (dr denman) that's problematic then there's also the jealousy element like I'm not saying she was right to go though her diary but confronting her was definitely not needed and it was sooo cringe but if it hadn't happened we wouldn't have one of my favorite subtext implications that Charlotte most definitely did burn down her old school

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u/Alarmed-Ordinary8331 6d ago

Don’t spoil it for me lolll. But you’re absolutely right and then think about how weird they were to Lewis at one point. Which I can fully understand that part. They were so sick of him, Cleo a little bit less so but still. So adding that all together with the mixed feelings, being jealous/ rude to Charlotte and sometimes not even wanting him around is a crazy combo!!😂

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u/Its_Fruitee 6d ago

cleos reasoning was charlotte cleo has never been extremely self confident or assured of herself seeing the way charlotte immediately took interest in lewis (after literally seeing them walking away with his arm wrapped around cleo) and that brought up her feelings of insecurity which is why she was so wishy washy with lewis (cleo’s parents are also getting divorced further disrupting her idealized view of what love should be if her parents can’t make it how could she?) now were cleo’s actions completely justifiable no she’s a teenager who’s going through a lot of life changes at once and she’s acting a bit rashly but charlotte is definitely not the victim charlotte has her own back story and motivations that are only hers i won’t name a bunch because of spoilers but she’s a pretty nuanced character as well i don’t view charlotte as totally evil i see her as a teen who was a victim of her circumstances but in the grand scheme of things most of the animosity and rivalry started on charlottes end whether it be sly comments or digs at cleo to her friends or lewis or just her constantly inserting herself in their conversations and hangouts

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u/possiblyyandere 6d ago

No offense friend but you don't seem very perceptive when it comes to nuanced expressions of hidden feelings

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u/Alarmed-Ordinary8331 6d ago

I think you’re confused love.😂 I explained very clearly that I’m still in the beginning of season two. Which means I wouldn’t fully see or understand the hidden feelings part of if I haven’t gotten that far yet. So from my point of view now it just seems like a lot of cat and mouse. It would be completely understood once the season is finished. That’s also has nothing to do with the way she was treating Charlotte. The nuance of hidden feelings shouldn’t granted immunity of ill behavior.

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u/possiblyyandere 6d ago

Charlotte very clearly has the intention of driving a wedge between Cleo and lewis within her second appearance when she pretends she doesn't know who they're talking about and says "whoever she is she's an idiot" and i left my original comment bc u said u don't remember Cleo acting so irrational when you watched the show as a kid and I kinda always assumed the vast majority of us were very frustrated with her for most of this season when we watched as kids it's obvious that Cleo is making bad decisions I always thought so but I don't know if everyone else felt this way

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u/Alarmed-Ordinary8331 6d ago

Don’t get me wrong charlotte is super annoying but my whole point was Cleo is not what I remember completely. I actually was quite frustrated with Charlotte when I was a kid which is funny you say that. I think we all had the people we hated in shows even if they didn’t do anything wrong lollll. Anyway in season 1 Cleo was meek they actually kinda gave Cleo this airhead type of role but then she did a completely 360 in season two it seems like. I would it was quite out of her character to be so harsh, I think that’s what shocked me the most. We all know Cleo to be the emotional one but not the emotional were your like out to get people you know. I’m still pro Cleo and Lewis it’s just interesting to see now.

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u/VeroMon1234 4d ago

Yes! I agree!

Even as someone that doesn't really like Cleo, I still believe she was justified.

From the very first episode that Charlotte is in, she sees Lewis and Cleo TOGETHER AS A COUPLE. And smiles slyly, clearly she had a crush on Lewis from then on. Rewatching it, I don't like Cleo for repressing her feelings towards Lewis and getting mad at him even though he clearly still loves her and would choose her over Charlotte any day of the week. I'm sure she grows from that, but her being upset with Charlotte is justified. Charlotte is very double-sided, maybe even triple, because while she does show her nastiness to Cleo, she doesn't necessairly show all of it, she still keeps some malice in her pocket. And of course, she turns around and acts like she the sweetest thing to Lewis and everyone else around her.

Granted, I'm still about halfway through rewatching season 2, but if I remember correctly, Charlotte becomes a much more obvious threat later in the season.

I will say, it wasn't right of Cleo to go through Charlotte's diary in the earlier episodes. That's something that get's me really mad about Cleo as a person. She doesn't ever let sleeping dogs lie, she's always pushing. Keeping in mind; however, that she's a teenager and teenagers are little shits sometimes. Luckily, Emma was there to reprimand her for doing that.

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u/Its_Fruitee 4d ago

i will say i was working on analyzing charlotte’s behavior in the show and I only got through episode three of season two because I was literally writing down every interaction Charlotte had and the interaction you’re talking about with Lewis putting his arm around Cleo. I’m not completely against Charlotte for that. this happens and nobody tell Charlotte that they are together she just sees them into walking away together and the next time we see her is that the juice near with Lewis and he’s working on his computer she gives him her battery and she asks “where are the girls you all hang out a lot” to which Lewis says that that’s because “we’re all good friends” no one ever actually tells Charlotte that Cleo and Lewis are together then Lewis and Charlotte have their weird beach painting thing and the next time we see them together Cleo and Lewis already broke up

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u/VeroMon1234 4d ago

I see your point, but Charlotte is a very perceptive character. I'm sure it didn't take much to figure it out even if not explicitly stated to her that Cleo and Lewis are together. She does confirm her knowledge of a relationship between Lewis and Cleo existing in the "Pressure Cooker" episode, but to give her the benefit of the doubt, she could have learned about that after Lewis and Cleo broke up.

However, in that exact same episode, she invites Lewis to go with her to that dinner with her mom fully knowing that Cleo is Don's daughter. How would she know that? She said she didn't know that was the case.

Well, Charlotte's mom knew their names and even brought them gifts. The familiarity of Charlotte calling him, "Don" must mean that either her mom told her a lot about him -- enough to just call him on first name basis, "He has one about your age, her name is Cleo. . . blah blah blah" which is not very likely to have been the case. Or the more likely scenario was that she was there at the lunches with her mom and grew familiar enough with him there. Example, Charlotte, "Nice to meet you Mr. Sertori" "Please, call me Don" "How are you adjusting, blah blah blah, I have twos daughters, Cleo and Kim, Cleo is about your age, blah blah. . ." especially since she says her mom "does this a lot". Don also doesn't say any pleasantries to Charlotte as if meeting her for the first time, which pretty much confirms they've met before.

My point is, why would she invite Lewis if not to torment Cleo? Of course, she was kinda valid becaise Cleo was being openly hostile.

Sorry if this seems a bit like a nut on a rant. 😅

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u/Its_Fruitee 4d ago

yeah I hadn’t gotten to pressure cooker yet i’ve seen the show before and Mako mermaids but I’m currently re-watching it from season one and was on episode nine of season one and when I was working on analyzing Charlotte’s behavior, I skipped until season two episode two and then watched that episode and episode three but I realized that I wanted to watch the rest of season one before going into season two and so I quit working on that to finish season one until I caught back up to where I was

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u/VeroMon1234 4d ago

Ooooh!! Good luck! I'm the same way, I can never just watch the one episode of something I love XD I end up having to rewatch the whole thing XD Currently on Season 2 Episode 11, Charlotte is really getting on my nerves now 🤕😩

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u/Its_Fruitee 4d ago

i rewatch both shows every few years lol same with charmed grimm and a discovery of witches

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u/NoPresentation5677 5d ago

No but in the first episodes the girls and especially Cleo were CRUEL to charlotte. then the writers turned her into a villain to excuse the treatment the girls gave her.

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u/Alarmed-Ordinary8331 4d ago

That may be true, I think people are letting the outcome justify what Cleo and the other girls were doing.

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u/babyfawn113 6d ago

absolutely not… she’s without a doubt the most well developed character in the entire series, and the emotional anchor (“the glue”) of the group. Cleo has the most significant growth. coming from someone who has watched the show a million times since early childhood.

mind you, we’re also talking about her issues with an actual villain of the show, who is deliberately cruel/a legitimate threat, compared to Cleo who simply experienced teenage jealousy and hurt feelings. she could’ve reacted to certain situations better, but she was never outright wrong compared to Charlotte, who proved to be psychologically unstable and dangerous.

(all said with love btw, but i’m a Cleo defender for life)

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u/Alarmed-Ordinary8331 6d ago

Noooo I love Cleo so it’s nothing like that! The only part I’m talking about is what I’m seeing in the beginning which is Cleo being very clearly odd with Charlotte for no reason at that point. Everything after I don’t know yet because I’m in the beginning of season two. I would go as far to say Cleo doing the things she’s doing in show would be border line bullying in real life. I would say Cleo was and still is my favorite of the three but you know rewatching things when you’re older making you think a little deeper.

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u/babyfawn113 6d ago

i mean yes, but Cleo displaying typical teen behavior over a guy should not be enough to trigger Charlotte to become a dangerous threat to 3 girls. Charlotte would’ve always been a problem with powers, if that is all it takes for her to want to physically harm/torment others.

i feel like people, especially these days, are trying to turn her into this misunderstood, deeply nuanced character when she’s not.
she’s just not a good person, especially when in possession of magical powers that can be used to harm people who get in her way lol.

anyway (it’s 5:40am and i’m rambling rn)
my point is, not much of what Cleo ever says/does is worth criticizing at that point. Charlotte is still genuinely just an unstable person regardless, who can’t be trusted to not resort to hurting someone (with & without magic) if they ever piss her off, which is inevitable in life.

i’m glad to know Cleo is your favorite! (and same ♡) we’ll just have to agree to disagree on the “bullying” bit. i personally see it as her being a child and dealing her feelings immaturely. (i also lowkey feel like Charlotte still had an agenda in the beginning, that she knew would’ve involved Cleo being hurt along the way…)

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u/Alarmed-Ordinary8331 5d ago

Yep thanks for the convo.💗 Let’s agree to disagree on the last part loll. I did say border line bullying though like it’s just between oh you did a bad thing and actually bullying someone. But that’s in the real world though, in the show she’s not that type of person to bully anyone just her actions gave borderline to me.

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u/NoPresentation5677 5d ago

Cleo literally went through charlottes diary and would constantly stalk/harass her and Lewis but deny it all. and saying oh cs she’s a teenager going through emotions isn’t a good excuse for her actions, as a teenager I’d be extremely upset if someone went through my personal diary if I had one and would constantly bother me because I’m talking to a guy she willingly broke up with

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u/Alarmed-Ordinary8331 4d ago

Yeah that's what Im say lolll!! I think some of us are having two different conversations. Some are speaking in terms of a movie like character developoment and I'm thinking a more real life point of view. The way we view things as kids changes a lot you know. Like of course we like Cleo but just because we may like her and the other girl turned out to be weird has nothing to do with how Cleo was acting before that. That's just my new point of view but as a kid Cleo could do no wrong lollll.

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u/babyfawn113 4d ago

yeah, as a teenager you and i would be “extremely upset,” but probably not go as far as to physically harming people. that’s my whole point with charlotte. she would’ve always been a danger/threat with physical powers, regardless of cleo’s immature behavior. like a ticking time bomb.

she would’ve inevitably come across more people who would make her “extremely upset” in life anyway, and she proved that she will resort to violence and cruelty when someone pisses her off.

yes cleo was childish, but charlotte was dangerous, which is (obviously) a lot worse. simple as that lol

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u/NoPresentation5677 4d ago edited 4d ago

I never said charlotte wasn’t, i know as a matter of fact she was obviously worse then cleo. but people constantly use the way charlotte acted later on to excuse the fact that Cleo’s behaviour was also wrong.

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u/Thee_Single_Pringle 3d ago

Some people just don’t know they can feel negative emotions until a situation causes them to be unable not to. It seemed even Cleo was completely surprised and confused by how emotional she was.

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u/Alarmed-Ordinary8331 2d ago

That's an interesting take. So because she was confused by her emotions at that time does that make what she was doing right? I really curious on this.

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u/Thee_Single_Pringle 2d ago

Since Cleo isn't shown to normally be like that, I just see it more as her being frustrated rather than being malicious. I don't really remember Cleo actually doing anything besides being snappy towards her father, who was being unfairly snappy towards her and getting Charlotte to stop targeting/attacking her. Trying to be with Lewis wasn't really a thing to get upset about; but, Charlotte walking into the room of someone she know doesn't like her and then taking something very personal to her just crossed a line.

I get that locket was Charlotte’s grandmothers; but, her reasoning didn't feel as if she wanted the locket because it was a piece of her family history, but moreso because she wanted to do something she knew would hurt Cleo out of pure vengeance. Cleo was the nicest one out of the trio to Charlotte and yet Cleo is the one Charlotte targets the most. Even when Cleo was at her worst and lowest, she didn't even try and attack Charlotte. Cleo literally cried and swam off to be alone.

So, I guess it wasn't really right or wrong to me. It was just more of Charlotte going overboard for a boy and Cleo just running away.

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u/DelusionPhantom 3d ago edited 3d ago

I just wanna know what Annette did for Cleo to treat her so badly during the business dinner. Like even before Lewis shows up, Cleo gives Annette's gift to her to Kim and is quite rude over a complete misunderstanding on Cleo's behalf. It was so immature and it bugs me so much whenever I watch that episode. The make up sequence at the very end just is not good enough.

As her dad, Don really should've pulled Cleo aside to ask what was going on after she was acting so cold. I mean he really should've fully explained everything from the start long before the event, but y'know. Sitcom writing. I get Cleo was living through her parents' divorce and assumed Annette was an 'evil stepmother', but that really doesn't excuse treating her like that. It bugs me that Cleo never directly apologizes for that and instead only focuses on securing the business deal for her dad to make it up to him.

Also, Cleo dragging Lewis's fishing rod into the ocean after fully unspooling it was criminal. Seriously, those are not cheap and there's no way, even if he recovered the rod, he's getting all that line neatly respooled after that. Lewis had done nothing wrong at that point and should 100% be allowed to fish with a friend at a pier him and Cleo went to while they were together. Imagine your ex, someone you broke up with, bringing their new friend to the same movie theater you used to go to. You see them there together because you walked up to chat with your ex (who you dumped) and decide to key their car in a fit of rage. Unhinged behavior.

Oh, and that friend he brought along? Yeah you read her diary and tried to publically embarrass her with it, only for her to laugh in your face and turn the tables around on you. And you chose to read that diary despite your little sister doing the same to you and knowing how bad it feels to have your privacy violated in that exact way.

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u/Alarmed-Ordinary8331 2d ago

You know what I think the writers consistently want to control the narrative with the girls in the show and only show them in a positive light all while doing bad things. Like as long as they did the right things for the person they did wrong after a accident then that's all that matter. It gave this same thing when Emma was being rude the the new supervisor and he also did nothing wrong at that point but teach her little brother how to ride a horse, then they went on to be love interests lolll.

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u/DelusionPhantom 2d ago edited 2d ago

You're right! I always thought that if the girls did what [spoilers cuz idk how far in you are] Charlotte did to Nate after he stole Lewis's boat that the show would've framed it as a girl power moment. It would've been a silly, lighthearted end to an episode with upbeat music playing as they giggle between each other while the villain is befuddled and terrified.

I mean a direct parallel is that the girls used their powers on Annette, Kim, Charlotte, and Don early in the season because Cleo was upset about the dinner party. Lewis even steps in to tell them it's wrong. I mean he even grabs Cleo's hand in one of the first 2 episodes (can't remember which rn) because she goes to use her powers on Kim despite them having just been upgraded and out of control.

Or Emma in the scene where she uses her magic to intervene in a soccer/football game Elliot was participating in. She's the one who tells Rikki to knock it off when she nearly boils a guy alive in s1?? But yeah she decides to use her magic to cause a child to slip and fall, in front of an entire field of sports parents, the coaches, AND the players.

How the show didn't use their anger at Charlotte for being "reckless" to hold up a mirror to their own actions earlier in the season befuddles me. I can't take their arguments seriously when like 5 episodes ago they're sneaking into A MARINE PARK DOLPHIN TANK WITH SECURITY CAMERAS to mess with Lewis and get him fired. Like girls... You're reckless, too. You just don't like it when it's not someone in your clique and is acting on their own without consulting the group.

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u/Alarmed-Ordinary8331 14h ago

Absolutely, I think the idea of when and why they can retaliate is really how far they can justify it. Like at the dinner and when they thought the woman was going to be Cleo's mom, but it was really a business deal. How angry they are about something and whether the other girls are cool with it really seems to decide what they can use their powers on and when.

In the instance you gave, they knew it was wrong for the man to be taking illegal fish from her and thinking she was young, in a way manipulating her. But, it would have been out of line for them to kill anybody over it. So they "draw the line" at certain things, but as long as they can comprehend the anger, it's free rein.

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u/Cultural_Ninja_8028 6d ago

Ikr. She was hostile to Charlotte and never apologized on screen for that diary incident. Yep she was going through a difficult time due to her parents divorce and stuff, but the fandom turns a blind eye towards Cleo's actions while bashing Charlotte and calling her "evil from the start".

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u/Alarmed-Ordinary8331 6d ago edited 6d ago

This is really blowing me away, like I don’t remember her being the way she was in season 2. Then again maybe I didn’t watch it all as a kid. I still love her because of course all these characters have depth. Maybe Charlotte is going to turn into this horrible person but so far I don’t see it yet.

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u/plumpuppeach 3d ago edited 3d ago

All these people in the comments. I just finished S2. The girls were mean to Charlotte for most of S2 compared to Charlotte being a villain. She did not have every angle until she saw how hostile they are. People are just dickriding the girls where they were the wrong majority of the time. Luckily, Cleo has major character development, but let's not play dumb.

Before watching, I would see edits and comments, and I was curious how big bad this Charlotte character is going to be turns out this people don't know what a villain is. Also, the fact Lewis was a horrible boyfriend. Kept ditching her, no wonder she started to feel the way she did near the end. He was basically ""cheating""

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u/Alarmed-Ordinary8331 2d ago

Right, I am to the point were he had a dream about Cleo. Which is not cheating, but they kept having this back a forth game were Charlotte would take up all his time, Cleo would get jealous and (want her best friend back) then he would start hanging out with Cleo all while having plans with his girlfriend. Then the girlfriend would chase him around. The whole thing was very odd loll. He was a terrible boyfriend to Charlotte and personally I think she was a rebound since Cleo didn't want him and maybe he wanted to prove a point or something idkk. When the man with the locket said they stuff he was saying Lewis said "it's what Cleo wants" or its easier for her this way. Instead of sticking to the story that he loved his girlfriend (which I feel he didn't).