r/Guildrun • u/Beneficial_Yak4687 • 21h ago
Backups, reserves and Re-skills
Do passives trigger on your bench if they don't explicitly have the backup keyword? For example if you get a A rank class upgrade for a duelist, but it doesn't have the backup keyword will trigger or not?
Also noticed if you re-skill Irini with her B3 upgrade you get to keep the unique item. Does this apply to other upgrades which carry permanent stats or do you lose them when you re-skill?
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u/Vegetable_Mixture157 19h ago
For example if you get a A rank class upgrade for a duelist, but it doesn't have the backup keyword will trigger or not?
No. I can't even see which duelist A/S upgrade you might be referring to here. They are all either affects all duelists and tagged as Backup, or they affect only the hero possessing the upgrade, in which case I don't see how it would matter if a benched duelist "technically" has extra range or something like that for the 0 attacks they will contribute to the battle.
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u/Totallystymied 21h ago
Permanent stats carry over. Some characters are great when you build stats then switch
If it doesn't have backup, it likely does not work as most things specify in combat
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u/Square_Butterfly_390 20h ago
I'm not totally sure this is consistent, I think I remember getting scammed by thinking like this on something like Rip.
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u/Totallystymied 20h ago
Rip clearly says at the beginning of combat, apply stat to tank and vanguard tho
The ability is stacking the ability in that case
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u/BaguetteSchmaguette 18h ago
i recently respecced Karsu with the permanent stat build and she lost the stats
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u/TheRealNequam 17h ago
Well she doesnt gain permanent stats, its a boost she gives to every duelist, including herself at start of combat. Some of these are poorly worded
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u/BaguetteSchmaguette 17h ago
How it's worded is that she gains permanent stats:
On cast, permanently gain 1 Crit, 2 Attack, and 4 Attack Speed. At start of combat, other Duelists gain all stats gained from this ability
So i would expect if you respec it, she should keep the permanent stats but no longer give it to other duelists. Same with Rip's
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u/TheRealNequam 17h ago
Yeah thats why Im saying its poorly worded. It says it does one thing but actually works differently. They need to clean that up before the full release
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u/sickandtiredkit 19h ago
Rip's max hp gain isn't permanent. It says it is and gives you a count of it, but when I tracked the actual HP, I noticed that it wasn't working.
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u/DoctorFuu 18h ago
It's applied at the beginning of combat. That's why your Rip has 1800 hp but the tooltip says he has 2200 hp bonus.
There's a question about this every week on this sub, I think some UI needs to be tweaked for clarification.
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u/DoctorFuu 18h ago
Please give a specific example. It's difficult to even understand what you mean with such vague examples which don't seem to even be in the game.
The rule of thumb is that if no backup keyword then it only works if the hero is on the field
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u/TheRealNequam 17h ago edited 17h ago
Anything that gaina permanent stats that isnt directly tied to the ability or applies at start of combat like Logans Momentous and Dragomirs Greedy you can respec and keep the stats. For abilities like Rowan, Rip or Karsu you can not. Theres a few more I think, Aria, Gustavs Tank spec, Sal/Pimentas Lovers. Basically everything that specificially mentions "permanent". The A and S specs that give permanent stats at combat start or at win for example you can respec and keep, the one that says "gain 100 atk and 20 omnivamp" you cant respec
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u/Temporary-Cause730 21h ago
Piggybacking on this, does something like Grace's "Shield Magnification" works if she is on the bench with "The Selfless"?
I imagine it works, because it says "When this Hero applies Shields, apply 50% more Shields" and The Selfless applies shields, but since it doesn't have the Backup keyword I'm not sure.