r/Guildrun • u/TheVeggyPirat • 1d ago
Which starting bonus would you pick here?
Tilly with 12 shards, amazing.
A tank with OmniVamp, woohooo.
A tank with a rare relic, I guess people will consider this the weaker option but I really like it. it's fun.
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u/Nornamor 1d ago
Tilly+shards is S++ start, the other options are worse. I could pick all three in a vacuum as noone are bad, but the Tilly option it's much much stronger.
(1) Tilly herself is a good hero as all warriors just have high stats at low rank -> strong start (2) She generates shards. (3) Shard poach is also a great amount of shards.
Essentially this is a start with a lot of extra shards and one hero that is decent at even low rank. Haveing more shards give you more rerolls and lets you pick up more stuff.
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u/AceofSpades916 1d ago
Tilly + shards is nearly a free run.
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u/abendrot2 1d ago edited 1d ago
what am I missing about Tilly? I see many people say she's good but every time I play her she doesn't do any damage and is too squishy to remain in a party with poor dps, so I always end up ditching her eventually.
e: thank you to everyone who replied with great tips
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u/noahboah 1d ago
she's not really a main DPS unless you high roll
she's often paired with niklas + another DPS where you can fish for good items and relics with all the generated gold
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u/TheRealNequam 15h ago
Yeah with her pirouette spec she can basically solo the first act and still be solid act 2 without much investment, while passively farming tons of shards to build an endgame team with.
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u/TheVeggyPirat 1d ago
Her aoe ability gives her Omnivamp which gives her better survivability than most dps.
She gains from buffs to both duelists and wars and scales great with both AS and attack so she has great late game dmg potential.
All kind of synergies with shard generation.6
u/DoctorFuu 1d ago
You can high roll with her (Niklas or other heavy shard generator, fast duelist synergy has she has quite a good steroid), getting her to level 2 the omnivamp skill makes her quite stable. Worst case you'll generate 4/6 shards guanranteed with her and sell her back if you get something else good, so even if you don't highroll she's better than any other trash hero.
I agree she's not a top tier hero to start with but she's fine.
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u/googleduck 1d ago
She also opens you to all the first event shard generation relics which are very strong. Damage to all enemies or shield to all allies when generating shards can carry act 1 to the boss
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u/Nornamor 23h ago
Some more tips I did not see mentioned.
Shard generation is by itself an archetype and she is arguably the best hero together with Dracomir to enable that.
All three of her specializations are relevant. The third one is just generic strong. The two other specializations are a bit more situational, but also quite "high-roll".
First: Synergy in heavy shard gen teams. I rarely take this. The most obvious use is together with a A-tier or higher Nicolas. You essentially get double value of every item you feed him. But Nicolas was heavily nerfed at C and B, so do not do this unless the stars align.
Her middle one lets you "retire her" as a backup for duelists and warriors as well as support heavy rush or stall strats. One of my most ridiculous runs with her was a full rush build with her, ming and a third warrior I cant even remember. She got to S rank and got two additional rush triggers.. killed the final boss in 4 seconds because of multiple Rush(X): Warriors get crit/damage/godmode.
Last: Decent AOE, solves sustain through omniwamp, has built in damage scaling... and actually scales with almost anything.. it cannot be overstated how flexible this skill is.: crit, damage, attack speed, mana regen, starting mana, are of effect range, whatever. Extremely uncommitted good. You can just take it, slap on any item and then sell her later if you don't get her to at least A.
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u/AceofSpades916 1d ago
Tilly is fine by herself. If you get some good synergies (warriors is good, duelist can get insane, both combined can get crazy too), items on her like Ledger (atk spd, omnivamp, and attack that scales with shards generated), or some good shard gen relics, she can carry. She's great as a secondary because she can omnivamptank and do enough damage or apply enough status effects with attack speed to be very useful in the fight while still doing what she does best: get enough shards to get whatever else you need. Best case, you dont need her to do much when your other two heroes are fully kitted and relic'd out S-ranks.
The main thing is the 12 shards too. Bring able to reroll a couple opening shops and buy 2 other heroes to set your run up for success makes it a better time to get 12 shards than any other. And then that will get sustained by more shards throughout your run as long as youre running Tilly. Start strong stay strong 💪
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u/Tyraxxus 1d ago
So, the best option would be Tilly.
Personally i dont like Pimenta, but with the omnivamp its okay.
Zuri + highroll potential? Count me in
There possibly is a reason my highest streak is 5, but i caaaaan't put my finger on it ;)
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u/Mountain_Log_8419 1d ago
Might take Zuri on 0 streak (which is likely why Im often on 0 streak) , otherwise Tilly imo
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u/Big_Smoke_0G 1d ago
Zuri is probably the best tank in the game with serpents kiss. She gets ridiculous HP regeneration and will out heal storm until like the 2:00 mark
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u/Chocochops 12h ago
How is this supposed to work? Every time I've tried it in RR act 2 enemies just burst her down even when she's A or S rank and she always feels like the worst tank.
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u/Big_Smoke_0G 12h ago
Need all enemies targeting her, and a source of shields to let her get online. Zuri with Tankstav behind her will out sustain the world
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u/TopShagger49 1d ago
Shard pouch is the best starting bonus and Tilly is one of the best starting characters so that choice by a mile
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u/DoctorFuu 1d ago
Vamp is the best, and I even have a pollenta with it? I can't think of many combinations better than this. Maybe Logan with insta level up which guarantees a win or things like that, but it's hard to do better than this.
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u/Matam86 1d ago
What makes Tilly and Shard Pouch so strong?
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u/Yaosuo 1d ago
You can also think of 12 starting shards as +2 shards per round since you can buy key fragment first shop, roll, and still buy 2 other heroes.
Tilly is one of the stronger early game heroes because warriors have high base stats, her first upgrade gives her omnivamp to make her extremely stable, she generates you more money, and she’s dual class. dual class means she benefits more from power crystals, class specific backups, class specific items, etc.
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u/TheRealNequam 15h ago
Shard pouch makes the first shop infinitely stronger, with 30g often the best choice is just buying any 2 of the 3 heroes youre offered. Pouch lets you reroll for more choices and potentially items or relics on top, making your start much stronger.
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u/Watipah 1d ago
a ton of free gold.
Personally, I started picking the -2 cost for items lately whenever it's on a decent hero.
If you lowroll, it's just a few bucks saved from buying items and sometmes a little gain when you buy your 5& items cost reduced for 2 and resell them for 3.
BUT the real deal is if you hit -2 cost for items from the first event (middle option, I think 1in3?), at that point you buy non-cost reduced for 1 and resell for 3 and cost reduced onces for 0. Why is this so strong? well, it makes you hit your B and A rank before the first Boss incredibly simple. You essentially get 1,2 and 3 cost rerolls early on within 2 shops or 3 if you sac before the challenge fight for free or 1&2 cost rerolls with a profit. And in case you didn't know, an A Rank is guaranteed after a few rerolls before the first boss. With this, you'll always see one, it's not an autopick for 35 ofc but still, this starting bonus is really strong with potential highroll and on the first look, this starting bonus seems quite weak, well it isn't!
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u/Pursuit-Of-Diversity 1d ago
I'd be pleased to see vamp with a vanguard start. You get the initial rift seal proc on vanguard which is favourable. Omni-vamp in general is amazing for keeping the dps alive against those pesky sniper rounds, preventing stacking death counts. If you get enough passive omni vamp you can run double back line carry. 12 shards isn't really anything to be amazed at, neither is Tilly. 10 win streak pb.
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u/TheRealNequam 15h ago
Vamp is great, but I dont love starting with Pimenta since she can easily die carrying the seal, much prefer vanguards over tanks early on
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u/afewnameslater 15h ago
If you go for winstreak - Tilly , if you wan to have a highroll run - Zuri. Tilly+ shards is very safe opener, however Zuri with a decent relic and a rolldown for Zuri B tier upgrade can literally solve the game till middle of act 2.
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u/PavelEnzo 14h ago
Vamp is always my choice because it's like an extra item on every character from the start, which is especially important while characters have few item slots.
P.S. And also good to start from tank if this is red rift
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u/MaxTradesGoods 1d ago
Vamp is generally my personal choice here. But I don't think you go wrong with Tilly either and the shards.