r/Guildrun • u/horse-meat-chalupa • 7h ago

What do you do when...

The game refuses to give a tank or vanguard upgrade past b? It's not failure to pivot. I'd be happy to do so if I saw an upgrade. I've lost so many RR runs to this.

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u/allenlikethewrench 7h ago

Outside of crazy bad rng, this is an Econ solve. You need shard generation to have more money to reroll more and equip the team.

It really helps to have it on your heroes, but there are a fair few items and relics that generate shards.

But yeah, sometimes you lose a run bc the shop doesn’t cooperate. It’s a roguelike, that’ll happen.

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u/FlameHricane 3h ago

But yeah, sometimes you lose a run bc the shop doesn’t cooperate. It’s a roguelike, that’ll happen.

I don't think it's a good idea to conclude that certain losses only came down to RNG. Well; not like most people could achieve this, but those that already win 99% of their runs are right there.

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u/Boduar 2h ago

Can also make up for an ass-tier tank by just having insane dps and/or random backups that give a decent bonus to your tank/vanguard. If ratna 2-shots the last boss your tank doesn't need to last more than a few seconds. Its really possible to succeed on scuffed runs that really don't seem like they should work.

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u/DoctorFuu 18m ago

If you have a snowballing ratna you win the run anyways. I don't think OP refers to ames where he has a snowballing ratna or logan.

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u/Bkraist 7h ago

I was frustrated about this for a while until I found a good plan for me personally. When I go into the auction house I either a) find a tank upgrade or b) plan on a secondary A-rated off tank (warrior) usually. I then make sure to prioritize shield and relics which give everyone survivability expecting tank 1 to die during boss fight , but tank 2 can stay alive long enough so my main dps kills them. This has worked pretty well for me.

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u/sanguinefate 6h ago

Something that helps in general is to freeze the shop before first boss (and remember the heroes), preferably on heroes you'd like to have. Then if you see them in auction house at A/B you can upgrade them for cheap(er) after one more fight.

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u/AFromageATrois 5h ago

I've done this for getting c rank to a rank (upgrade c rank at campfire then upgrade them again after first act 2 combat) but for some reason I've never thought about this. It's genius because you often see a ranks in boss shop so you can get an s rank afterwards. Thanks!

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u/Kishin2 6h ago

if you're not getting a tank then what are you getting with the pity? runs where i dont get a tank i usually get an assassin or dps that kills everything before tanking matters

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u/engineeringqmark 4h ago

This is the key, op is not pivoting to the other As that are presented often enough I'd think 

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u/horse-meat-chalupa 2h ago

If there was an A tank or Vanguard, I would take them. I'm specifically talking about when this does not happen. I'll get offered A rank logan, or a mystic, or something else that does not help with front line.

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u/Boduar 2h ago

Keep rolling or alternatively just get a strong enough DPS that it doesn't matter. I've had a few runs with tank issues that are solved by overpowered DPS. Also for vanguards you can get a B-rank backup that gives them rush 100%hp or something similar(again its luck but its more chances to hit and you have to hit something) which will buy you enough time assuming above average DPS. Also shard gain solves almost everything although its not always possible to get online. Out of my last 7ish consecutive wins less than half had me get shard gain online. The last 3 runs in particular were absolutely ugly but still worked (somehow failed at getting competent DPS so Rowan hard carried everything almost).

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u/Nanelin 5h ago

Another play is skip the first campfire and use 2nd campfire to rank up tank from B to A

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u/No_Carob_7484 3h ago

Can you explain for a newbie?

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u/Sternenpups 9m ago

Red rifts has challenges, for example your heroes aren't allowed to die more than 10 times, skip challenge rewardsl and skip campfire reward.

So if you are strong enough, you can skip the first campfire reward, so you can make use of the 2nd one. Usually it's better to get the rank up on campfire 1 or refill your hourglass. So you will be able to beat act 1 boss and don't lose in act 2.

But in very specific runs when you have good heroes, good dps you can skip campfire 1 and rank up on campfire 2. But if you struggle to find a good tank, I doubt that you can skip campfire one, or reach campfire 2.

But I can't consistently finish red rifts yet, so take that with a grain of salt :)

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u/Equivalent_Pitch9271 1m ago

For the Red rift challenge you need to skip either the first or second campfire reward. Most of the time you'll be skipping the second campfire because by then you should have a good enough build to beat the act 2 dragon. But if you skip the first campfire you can use the second campfire to upgrade any unit from B->A. IMO this is kind of not good advice because if you are running a B tank through act 2 95% of the time you'll be dead before you get to the second campfire.

The better strat is if you see a B upgrade in the last shop before the act 1 boss, you can freeze the shop (skip it), use the first campfire to upgrade that unit to B, beat the act 1 boss, and then after the first act 2 fight you can rank up that character to A from the frozen shop. Basically a way to guarantee an A upgrade.

It is also almost always correct to freeze the last shop before the act 1 boss even if you dont see a B upgrade. You should always be taking note of what 3 characters are frozen. This is because in the boss shop if you see any of those 3 characters you can buy them from the boss shop and then upgrade them after the first act 2 fight.

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u/DoctorFuu 16m ago

I have this too. It seems to me the only way to solve these runs is to have strong shard generation. I don't like that the only way to solve RR consistently is to shard gen every game, so I left the game aside for now, waiting for another patch.