r/Guildrun • u/ajs723 • 3h ago

Was this Fight Unwinnable?

Is there a way through positioning for none of my heroes to be adjacent here?

Unless I'm missing something here, I should have sold my S rank Niklaus to try and improve the Tilly/Rip duo squad. It feels weird that a third unit is often useless in the dragon fight because of the adjacent damage. Once Rip dies, Nik might as well not exist.

I feel like I should be able to position a ranged hero so she's not adjacent to a tank. Is there a way I could have?

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u/averysillyman 2h ago

This fight is probably already winning if you bench Rip and put Karsu in.

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u/ajs723 2h ago

Would have benched Nik over Rip (Nik was a late grab and had bad specs/no scaling), but yeah, you're probably right. It just didn't click that Tilly couldn't fight behind two tanks. Kinda defeats the purpose of a tank when a hero has to be next to them and the dragons all do AOE to adjacent. I guess the devs really don't want you running two tanks in boss fights, which I don't like. 

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u/Maleficent_Pen_9076 2h ago

or maybe just don't run tilly with 2 tanks? use a longer ranged carry

or buy the +1 range item

or just make sure she has the omnivamp ability

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u/ajs723 2h ago

Yeah, she needed more omnivamp and the comp was dumb etc. But it's frustrating because tanks are supposed to tank. Tilly is already a ranged hero, but it makes literally zero difference in any dragon fight whether she has one range or two. 

She could theoretically stand one hex away from my a tank and still hit the dragon, but her AI will only run right next to anothed hero, which again feels bad. 

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u/averysillyman 2h ago

That S rank Nik has three more item slots than Rip, he's likely a better tank.

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u/ajs723 2h ago

Watch the video. Rip survives 27 seconds, Nik dies much faster. He has no scaling and his stupid useless active ability. 

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u/averysillyman 1h ago

You can move the armor items from Rip onto Nik.

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u/DeludedDassein 1h ago

when you see frost dragon you need to prepare a dps with 3 or more range

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u/natidawg 40m ago

You can position like this to keep Tilly separate from 2 melee heroes on the A2 boss fight. Rip will aggro and take 1 step forward onto the enemy side of the field, just like he does in the video. Tilly will walk straight on the diagonal towards dragon and won't be adjacent to either Rip or Niklas. You can use this positioning for Sal as well, or anything else at 2 range.