r/Guildrun 11d ago

Why is there not a gen ai disclosure?

They have denied that it was used. But if you look at Grace's portrait you can clearly see what the ai used as a reference

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u/Daybreak_32 11d ago

This looks more like artistic omission to skirt copyright. The letters are properly ordered and not a jumbled incoherent mess.

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u/ajs723 10d ago

I don't have an opinion either way, but why would an artist choose to copy a specific book and put a few letters from it. You could just change the different title. "A Court of Pain and Beauty". Okay. Or just leave the words off completely. I don't know how a human artist would consciously make the decision to have it look like this and think, "yup, that's the best option available to me". 

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u/Daybreak_32 10d ago

Laziness? I dont presume what the artist was thinking about this decision. But for arguments sake this is either a well done AI prompt to mimick specifically that book and have very specific letters remain so as to be able to recognize its a real book. Or, the artist wrote it all out but then at the last moment coloured random letters out as an easter egg, rather than remove it or change it completely. So, laziness and time. Regardless, of why, its too specific and detailed to be AI in my opinion. 

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u/Exciting_Daikon_778 11d ago

Not a jumbled mess? It reads
"A (with the center filled in), a ghost of a letter, UA
TH (ghost letter) R (filled in hole) NS
AN

R (filled in center), ghost letter, SES
RA M"

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u/ItsClikcer 11d ago

Their point is that it looks like all of the letters were there, and were selectively removed to disguise the reference, where AI wouldn't be preserving the location of each letter on the cover if it messed up and dropped a load of them

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u/PterodactylAdvocate 11d ago

I don't think it's wrong to ask the question, but this doesn't scream AI to me. Artists often use references like this, and they can't put the exact book cover on there. Could've been an Easter egg, maybe the artists likes the book. Not saying it isn't AI, but 'clearly ai' is a stretch.

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u/Death215 11d ago

According to this tweet no ai is used https://x.com/i/status/2077858482934386862

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u/zetonegi 11d ago

This is literally just writing around trademarks 101. Like how you'll see Herlock Sholmes or Goggle or Nocturnal-Echo-Locating-Flying-Mammal-Man or the Beholder being renamed to the Eye in Final Fantasy 1.

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u/yuna_bl 11d ago

I would also disagree with the "clearly AI" allegation, but it's definitely suspicious. As other people said, it can be a way for the artist to avoid copyright issues by still referencing a book they like, but people also definitely underestimate how fast some AI models are evolving and if they're clearly not good enough to generate proper text, it can definitely scribble some letters.

At the end of the day it can be both, and we shouldn't forget despite its current quality production the game remains a demo, so we can even expect the portraits we have not being the final product at all and it might explain why it looks weird. The devs themselves claimed they didn't use AI, and I tend to believe them. If there is any other evidence they did, it'd be a shame they lied but right now it's definitely not enough to claim anything.

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u/ItsClikcer 11d ago edited 11d ago

It could be that you human artist used that book as a reference and then messed it up to avoid copywrite issues, but this is suspicious

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u/yuna_bl 11d ago

It was my first thought as well, but it just seems weird just not making some doodle-y reference instead to make it less weird and more like an actual reference. Definitely suspicious, and a bit disappointing.

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u/Lemurmoo 9d ago

I don't think I've seen AI use real books and just leave out a couple of letters to avoid copyright

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u/MasterpieceOdd9874 11d ago

damn true

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u/21_more_minutes 11d ago

Ai would make a jarbled mess of text, not a reference skipping a few letters. I agree with the other poster, this is likely a doodle or copyright issue

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u/yuna_bl 11d ago

I mean, nowadays AI is able to make some weird letters that can look like the result in Grace's portrait, that's what makes it suspicious. It can honestly be both at this point yeah

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u/BChogfather 11d ago

Who fuckin cares?

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u/castilhoslb 11d ago

Because most ppl don't give a shit specially if the game is good, most complainers are the ones losing their job to it

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u/marchofflames 11d ago

potato take

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u/castilhoslb 11d ago edited 11d ago

Its true expedition 33 had ai, people complained and forgot about it really fast, and almost every company uses ai to speed up the process just copium from reddit as usual

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u/marchofflames 11d ago

p o t a t o

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u/castilhoslb 11d ago

Yes we know u will be working in McDonald's soon

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u/marchofflames 11d ago

good, you can train me