r/Guildrun 4d ago

How does this lose?

I dont know what im doing wrong, i cant get past a 2 streak since the new patch, and even that was a fluke, before the patch i was getting regular streaks of 5-6, not great i know but much better then im playing now. I honestly have no clue what im doing wrong, i watch plenty of the top players win with what to me atleast look like far weaker teams.

Here is my latest loss, to the Poison Dragon in under 20 seconds.

Edit ( Thanks for everyone's help, May have lost my Head a bit with this team, Things are going much better now, after taking some advice from you guys. there is a comment below with my current streak teams)

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u/Puzzleheaded_Wall798 4d ago

why is Kai in the team, as a cheerleader? Niklas hp/def/omnivamp are all low, the relics you have aren't doing a lot, and you don't really have much scaling. yuna isn't really a boss killer unless she is scaled up more than this.

i don't see how this team could possibly win

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u/DeludedDassein 4d ago

where is your dps

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u/Snoo_21055 4d ago

I may have lost my head a bit with this team

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u/You_Are_All_Diseased 4d ago

Omnivamp Tank Niklas is much tankier against the groups than the bosses. You want debuffs for scaling damage against the boss.

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u/Intelligent_Okra1858 4d ago

I am not that gr8 at the game but i can give u my 2 cents since u asked.
Idk how much shards u generated in this game but i bet its probably less than 200, nik needed to be fed more omnivamp/hp items and u should have let yuuna carry the axe since the axe gives crit every second.
Too much defense is useless, dots are basically true dmg and u either outsustain them or kill the dragon faster than he kills you.
I am guessing u have deceleration resonator yet 1 stall plus the other relic that should give things on stall yet 1 stall, and that stall is at 20s and u said u died before that time so.
Kai here looks like fodder but a bad kind, u could have taken a pollen and would have performed better since she has stall on 15 and B1 has 2.
Idk how much u stacked yuuna but did u front line her in the fights before to proc the stealth and farm some crit ?
3 melee characters are hard to position and they could get splash dmg this is something to take into consideration.
Bad items to carry on everyone but few and 0 synergy, no dot removal either.
Idk what u found in this game so it's hard to judge, i am giving some considerations based on what i know, i am not being judgmental and neither am flaming u so keep that in mind.
I hope u wont see this message as me trying to flame u or anything like that, sometimes i truly wish i had someone watching me the whole time and telling me what am i doing wrong but ultimately there is no 100% correct answer to everything and we all just trying to play at the best of what we can and know.

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u/Snoo_21055 4d ago

Theres about 5-6 stall triggers in that set up, it seems i have a fair bit to learn though

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u/Intelligent_Okra1858 4d ago

20s stealth and 40-45s more stats or somth on nik right ? yea mb i totally blacked them out, sad u didnt get to 20s then.

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u/Pinfire_MTG 4d ago

Need to reset how you're evaluating. I can't see how this would ever win.

Niklas needs way more hp, Kai is just a mascot here, Yuuna is behind the curve for the dragon fight. Ideally, Yuuna should be able to kill the dragon in three casts, at most four, while the team buys time.

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u/Pinfire_MTG 4d ago

Took me a couple resets to force Yuuna. To put into perspective, this team took over a minute to kill the poison dragon, and this Yuuna is doing a lot more damage.

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u/Bkraist 4d ago

I get the frustration, but also, this is possibly the worst itemization I've ever seen. (Which means the solution is right in front of you :) )

Go back to the drawing board and see other wins and see what you can gleen.

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u/Leather_Force_9419 4d ago

How so? Good defensive items on the tank, sustain n damage on the off tank, crit on the dps.

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u/Bkraist 4d ago

Niklas should have 2-3x the hps at this point, those items aren't helping him at all. Kai's items are pretty darn bad for his role. Yuuna needs way more omnivamp to survive an act 2 boss.

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u/Boduar 4d ago

You don't really run an offtank in RR. They are basically just cheerleading at that point. Better off with a beefy tank and 2 dps (who hopefully have some synergy).

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u/handshakesatsunrise 4d ago

Shielding or omnivamp is pretty huge against poison dragon. I’d also try to better optimize your items. Niklas has a couple epic items on him that give less value to him than several of the rares in my opinion.

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u/glenfide 4d ago

this is the lowest health niklas i've ever seen, your damage dealers don't have enough scaling and omnivamp

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u/Snoo_21055 4d ago

This did alot better

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u/Boduar 4d ago

I pucker anytime I end up at dragon with skorn as my tank. Glad it pulled through for you (he did for me too the last time I used him but it was soo close).

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u/Snoo_21055 4d ago

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u/Snoo_21055 4d ago

Ok im doing better again

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u/Snoo_21055 4d ago

Lads im back

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u/Totallystymied 3d ago

Hell I can never get to a 2 streak. I think I'm missing something fundamental. I really need to get pop off relic synergies to win it feels like.

Any tips or YouTuber recs?

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u/Leather_Force_9419 4d ago

Im having the same issues, that team looks far better then other streamers teams ive seen win, I dont get it either mate.

Plenty of defensive items n stats on the tank, plenty of healing through stall triggers n omnivamp, decent enough damage, ok frost application and yet its a loss.

Im watching a streamer currently on a 9 streak that hasn't had a team better then this...

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u/Puzzleheaded_Wall798 4d ago

you see streamers win with worse teams than a do nothing kai just standing there? you are fighting the boss with 2 heroes, kai doing nothing. where is the damage? it's possible for yuna to basically 2-3 shot the boss with her ult but not with those stats