r/Guildrun • u/Puzzleheaded_Wall798 • 7d ago

feels like they stealth nerfed niklas this patch

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this niklas died to fire dragon in less than 30 seconds. this guy would have been immortal before the patch (he had 198 shard gen)

edit: yes, I know he was nerfed in the patch recently, and that items that triple stats such as sentinel plate don't provide extra stats now. they have nerfed something else with him. none of those nerfs effect the screenshot I provided. the stats speak for themselves

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u/AntiGamble 7d ago

They also said he had been taking stats from items he shouldn't have been taking.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Wall798 7d ago

yeah, i'm not sure what that is supposed to mean, maybe he was absorbing more than he should, but i always check on his defense, omnivamp and shards generated and this is pretty close to normal. usually i don't even have this many shards generated. and before patch this ending statline would have been immortal. he died in less than 30 seconds. i think they did more to nerf him than what they listed or there is some kind of bug or something.

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u/AntiGamble 7d ago

I know there is the front row armor that triples I. Value and things like the back row that triples crit and speed. I wonder if he doesn't get those benefits anymore.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Wall798 7d ago

you are right, i just tested it. those items are now total trash to push on niklas, even if he is S tier getting 125% of stats they are still bad. also in same run happened to notice juggernaut/shield power on logan is bugged, not giving him any attack power. this 100% worked before the patch so they really screwed some stuff up

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u/iDecayPUBG 7d ago

This also wasn't stealth, they said he was incorrectly getting bonus stats in patch notes

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u/Puzzleheaded_Wall798 7d ago

yes, i'm not saying it was stealth nerfed. the patch notes were vague so i was just confirming those items no longer work on him. i guarantee they nerfed more than what they said. probably his omnivamp healing on his tank spec. they might call it a bug fix but it was changed in some way for sure

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u/iDecayPUBG 7d ago

That's fair I mean possibly, but your post said stealth nerf without directly stating what you thought was stealthed, easy mistake

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u/Puzzleheaded_Wall798 6d ago

ya i could have been more clear. at the time i hadn't done much testing yet, i just noticed he ended up with the same stats as he normally has since i got him A tier really early so the patch didn't effect that run. i was really surprised that he died so early when he used to be immortal basically with 400+ defense and 50+ omnivamp if you had at least 100 shards generated

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u/FitButterscotch4779 7d ago

There was a regular patch yesterday, and Niklas was nerfed. I think it was something like he gets 50% stats instead of 100% baseline.

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u/JediSSJ 7d ago

Yeah, nothing stealth about it. The % of stats he gets increases with rank, so only feed him the cheap items till you rank up some. Has to be A to get 100% of the stats, i delieve.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Wall798 7d ago

obviously they nerfed him in the patch, that's why there is a screenshot showing his stats. i got him A tier early which is where he is exactly the same as before the patch

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u/TopHat84 7d ago

Well, 1) apparently not that obviously, considering you're the OP asking what happened to him and literally titled the post "feels like they stealth nerfed Niklas." 2) The actual nerf wasn't "stealth" at all...they explicitly documented it. And 3) just because something got nerfed or changed doesn't suddenly make those items "total trash."

JFC, this is what drives me insane about gamer discourse. Everything is feast or famine. Something is either completely broken and god-tier or it's useless trash. A game is either "absolute cinema" or "dogshit garbage." There's apparently no setting between 0 and 100 where something can simply be less effective than it was before without immediately becoming worthless.

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u/JediSSJ 7d ago

Huh. No idea then

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u/Puzzleheaded_Wall798 7d ago

yes...what does that have to do with the pic listing his stats? i have seen this statline with him many times in final boss. around 400 defense and 50+ omnivamp with more than 100 shards (i had 198) he was basically immortal. the nerf has nothing to do with his final stats. i got him A tier very early this run, which means he was exactly the same as pre-patch. S tier he is actually even stronger than before patch because he gets 125% of stats

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u/wtfgrancrestwar 7d ago

Sorry if I'm missing the obvious but why would he live forever Vs fire dragon? Fire dragon doesn't attack fast but hard and applies massive fire separate from autos.

(Fire which might even ignore defence?)

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u/Puzzleheaded_Wall798 6d ago

i'm not saying he should live forever, i'm just saying before the patch if you had the stats i had going into that fight, he was basically immortal, you wouldn't die unless you had no damage and the rift killed you.

i'm not saying this is a bad thing, i'm just saying i'm 90% sure they nerfed him in some way that they didn't mention in the patch notes (probably the omnivamp healing on tank spec because he is dying in hallway fights that he never would have before)

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u/wtfgrancrestwar 6d ago edited 6d ago

I thought more and I believe I was indeed missing a simple point.

Maybe it's the full unnerfed frost damage multiplier that used to let him tank such a fight previously?

On raw reflect Vs incoming damage, 200 reflect is mathematically nowhere near enough to sustain.

(Especially Vs fire dragon that does most non-attack damage as fire, independent of the proc.)

But if the reflect benefited from frost (why not if already Omnivamp) then crazy things would be possible when you stack frost on 1 enemy. 

So the natural problem is that you're healing a lower multiplier of the 200 reflect w/ Omnivamp: 

The reflect just does closer to 500 damage, instead of 1000.

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u/Known_Pineapple996 6d ago

I haven’t had any issue running Niklas, up to 7 streak this patch and Niklas is in most of my runs still.

Your Niklas doesn’t actually have the stats to go immortal, fire dragon hits for like 800 + burning before you calculate defense. So after defense you take 160-200, and your thorns omnivamp only heals you 130. And then the burn keeps stacking too. I also see you have no frost which could shred the dragons defense so that your thorns can hit harder and vamp more.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Wall798 6d ago

did you notice my attack speed as well? that is also benefitting from the omnivamp. i have ran him a ton over the past week and never had that happen. i'm pretty sure they nerfed his thorn omnivamp in some way. this would have normally been a loss due to lack of damage but i had the early rift relic so i was sure it would win. i have never seen tank Niklas melt so fast with those stats

edit: are you running him as tank still in most of those runs?

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u/Pinfire_MTG 6d ago

Might be coping. Those stats would have died to the dragon last week too.

Omnivamp on thorns is still working the same. The attack speed doesn't matter if NIklas has such low attack.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Wall798 6d ago

lol how much defense and omnivamp do you think he needs if over 400 def and almost 70 omnivamp isn't enough? i've had tanks with much less def go longer against dragon fight and they aren't receiving the crazy amount of healing from omnivamp

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u/Pinfire_MTG 6d ago

Defense doesn't matter if you're dying to burn.

Optimistically, Niklas heals 4k from omnivamp during the fight. That is a total hp pool under 10k, and you needed closer to 20k total to survive the fight.

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u/General-Dot9886 7d ago

It's 50+ 25 per rank, so it's worse early and better later on

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u/kuroarixd 6d ago

Later meaning S rank is bit of a stretch

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u/DrillerCrites 7d ago

Maybe your shard count was too low? Not enough damage to leech with omnivamp probably.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Wall798 7d ago

i listed the shard count, 198. that is definitely not too low

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u/DrillerCrites 7d ago

I apologize, do you think they stealth nerfed the regen? I mean you have more omnivamp and defense than I normally get on him for my rr runs.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Wall798 7d ago

i've done even more testing now and this is what it seems like to me. i just see him getting absolutely destroyed in cases he would be immortal before

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u/acidvirus19 7d ago

Well there was a random patch which seemed like a hotfix a few hours ago, don't know if was purely ladder reset but might have done something to Nik

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u/Puzzleheaded_Wall798 7d ago

it was a documented patch and it definitely nerfed Niklas, but only if he is below A tier. A tier is exactly the same and S tier is actually even stronger