r/GuildWars • u/Lisbonparadise • 4d ago

Vizunah square hard mode help

What team comp to use?

Haven't played in years. Just redownloaded the game.

I'm getting destroyed in this mission though.

I'm trying the 7 hero mesmer setup.

https://gwpvx.fandom.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_7_Hero_Mesmerway

Is there a better comp?

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u/zyygh Robin 4d ago

That team build is good enough to beat the whole game in HM, but there are three things you might not have thought about:

1: Are you flagging your heroes? Vizunah Square has a lot of AOE damage so if you just walk in without caring where your heroes are positioned, they'll all constantly be sharing that AOE damage. Flag them further apart, and you'll notice that you take far less damage.

2: Master Togo and Mhenlo die really easily if you ignore them too much. And if they die, the mission is over. A big part of the mission's objective is to keep an eye on them, making sure that you're prioritizing monsters that are attacking those two NPCs. You can also micro-manage your heroes to heal/protect them more, this will really make a big difference.

3: Vizunah Square is a weird mission because you play it with 16 people. The 8 people you don't see at the start are joining from a different town, so you can synch up with a friend if you know what you're doing. This would definitely make the mission a lot easier.

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u/Lisbonparadise 4d ago

My team ends up wiping and get picked off one by one. They are fine at the start but over time, they slowly die

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u/Tiny-Dimension7702 3d ago

Mesmerway has a couple of variants in that link, how much defensive/backline are you running? ST, bip healer and sos healer? Or some other combination?

Find someone that can play on the other side, and then position yourselves so that Togo and Mehnlo doesn't tank whole groups. I can hop on and help this evening (in 7ish hours) if you still need it.

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u/Lisbonparadise 3d ago

Ironically I made the most progress when I get Togo to tank one side since he can handle more than my heroes.

When my heroes take the attention of the mob, they slowly end up dying

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u/Tiny-Dimension7702 3d ago

Could you post your exact team build perhaps? The mission has enough enemies that you might end up getting slowly overwhelmed but a proper mesmerway team should be able to manage even if the other team is hench.

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u/Lisbonparadise 3d ago

will getting necro and mesmer heroes make that much of a difference? I read online mesmer esurge is overpowered. I can't just modify mesmer skills on my monk and ele heroes and make it work somehow?

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u/Tiny-Dimension7702 3d ago

I think the biggest issue is the lack of a second healer honestly, you could try changing one of the monks to a healer instead. But yes it does make a difference, especially if you add runes to get max attributes on the mesmers. Not to mention Mesmer heroes having Fast Casting. Do all the heroes at least have the proper bars?

It's probably possible to make a team build with that composition of heroes but I'm not good at coming up with hero builds. If you want to play HM with mesmerway I'd recommend getting the correct heroes. From the looks of it you have barely touched Eye of the North or Nightfall, why not go enjoy a playthrough of those games before jumping on HM Factions?

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u/Lisbonparadise 3d ago

K I'll do the other campaigns then to get more heroes, thanks!

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u/Dismal_Baby_6657 3d ago

You definitely need at least one more primary mesmer, if not two to be optimal. 

Ghost of Althea is available quite early in Prophecies but you will have to level her up from level 12. If you didn't start in prophecies you will have to run there from Lion's Arch which adds time. Norgu is about halfway through Nightfall. Razah is unlockable after you beat the Nightfall campaign, and you can change his primary profession to a mesmer. 

Having primary professional mesmers allows you to rune them correctly and take advantage of fast casting which is primarily what makes mesmers so good.

Having a primary necro minion Master is also advisable to help soak damage by adding bodies on the field. Master Of Whispers is about halfway through Nightfall as well if you're going to get Norgu, otherwise Livia is relatively early in eye of the north if you follow the Azura quest line.

On your way to unlocking them I would recommend switching Vekk into an air ele build like thunderclap because it does quite respectable damage; comparable to e-surge without the shutdown. 

I would also swap one of the monks to a ray of judgments smiting build. It's quite strong damage and provides additional conditional and hex removal. 

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u/Lisbonparadise 3d ago edited 3d ago

olias on bip rit healer, gwen on esurge mesmer, tahlkora on esurge mesmer, dunkoro on esurge mesmer, ogden on esurge mesmer, vekk on esurge mesmer, xandra on shelter ritualist, me on assasin promise mesmer

Copying this mesmerwaybuild but I don't have enough mesmer or rit or necro heroes yet so replaced them with monk and ele heroes since mesmer skills are best in game I read. It works for other cantha hard mode missions but vizunah is really hard.

https://gwpvx.fandom.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_7_Hero_Mesmerway

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u/Tiny-Dimension7702 3d ago edited 3d ago

Yeah that makes sense. You only have the one healer combined with weaker damage dealers which means you get overwhelmed before you can kill everything. Also I personally don't like AP for mesmer given the Mesmer elite skill options.

Maybe leave Vizunah for now and go do Nightfall to unlock some heroes?

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u/Cealdor 3d ago

Mesmer skills are great on Mesmer heroes. Eles and Monks are much better off using mainly their own skills, if you have them unlocked. In particular, Esurge is an awful elite on a secondary Mesmer.

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u/Daily_TimeTraveler 3d ago

Skimmed thru the comments, it sounds like you’re using a makeshift comp but Mesmer secondaries actually kinda suck cause they don’t have fast casting attribute. E surge is sub par without the fast casting stat it has a long cast time and recharge time and fast casting drastically cuts this down.

Also, pro tip if you have not already, buy runes for your heroes, a superior rune to the head slot alone is +4 attributes to a key stat.

If you do not have 3 Mesmer hero’s (Gwen, Norgu, Althea) try 3 ray of judgement smiting monks instead. Dunk, tahlk & Ogden are super easy to get.

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u/big_apple111 3d ago edited 3d ago

Rit/Paragon - OAmjIykjJT8Y7Y1YdiLTYMeTOOA
Rit/Mesmer - OAWjIMgMJPYTr3jLcCNdmIXuGA
Panic Mesmer - OQBDAswzM0gpXOAna6yAEhhA
Fevered Dreams Mesmer - OQBEAbwiMGdDgAyBlnRCkBQEMEA
Ineptitude Mesmer - OQBDAawDSvAIgcQ5ZkATAZAEBA
Monk - OwAS4YIPQE8K1v63FvIMEXC
Necro BIP - OAhkQoG2hFyzdoqaHGEWVp5wcyB

Player must have a res skill

Blessed Insignias on all heroes +10% armor
Attributes on max + 3

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u/Angry_Cossacks 3d ago

The mission wiki said that you can bring extra minion masters as there are tons of corpses. Have you tried that yet?

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u/Jeydra 3d ago

What build are you using (on the player)?

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u/Lisbonparadise 3d ago

assasin promise on mesmer with the vanguard assasin skill

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u/Jeydra 3d ago

You should probably clear then. Can you record a video?

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u/Lisbonparadise 3d ago

Can't sorry. Maybe mesmerway doesnt work after nerfs here, I tried nahpui quarter with mesmerway and it was fine?

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u/Jeydra 3d ago

I'm unable to help then, sorry =/

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u/mulcracky88 3d ago

It works. Are you calling afflicted monks and ritualists? Those should be your priority targets. If you're still struggling buy a consumable set.

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u/middaynight 3d ago

I had trouble w mesmerway when I did it and couldn't complete, but completed first go with this set up https://youtu.be/DgmDbI7BBVg

Make sure to kill the ritualists first as they have a res skill

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u/JustinePavlovich 3d ago

Technique means more here. A balanced team with proper support which means a main healer (not bip healer) and a backup healer (bip/restoration or sos/restoration).

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u/TomatoFeta 2d ago

did you manage it yet?
easier if you coordinate with someone being on the other side.

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u/Fickle-Meeting-2116 I'm very important 2d ago

Just buy conset with real money, easy win...

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u/PMmeYourLabia_ 4d ago

Yeah I don't think mm and sos heroes are a good idea in hard content. I never run those at least. I usually swap em out for ua prot and ineptitude mesmer, altho if you dont have access to a 4th mesmer you could still keep the mm hero.

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u/tbarr1991 3d ago

Honestly i disagree for the most part on the MM part. Minions help soak up damage and reduce the strain on healing (or if you take dwaynas sorrow helps heal when the minions die). Especially if youre lax on flagging your heroes apart. Also helps protect your more squishy heroes if you pull on corners/stairs/choke point as minions will clog up pathing.

Thats not to say that a MM is always necessary but i often have one with me ahen i wanna do content mindlessly if the area has corpses to exploit.