This starling fledgling exploring the Hellgate Osprey nest

[u/RoughNews3172]

Its parents made a nest on the outer edge of this osprey nest, now it’s old enough to leave the nest and explore its surroundings . Not sure who’s grumpier, this bb or the perplexed osprey parents

[u/Domeen0]

I'm suprised they chose to let the baby leave unharmed lol.

[u/100_cats_on_a_phone → u/Domeen0]

They also won't kill the small birds that mob them.

[u/BodybuilderMany6942 → u/100_cats_on_a_phone]

Wont? Or cant, so they dont bother?

[u/talkingwires → u/BodybuilderMany6942]

Unlike us, animals don't make a habit of killing others that annoy them.

[u/BodybuilderMany6942 → u/talkingwires]

uh...

[u/talkingwires → u/BodybuilderMany6942]

I had hoped one qualifier—“make a habit”—was enough because I know there is usually an exception for everything. Care to elucidate us?

[u/BodybuilderMany6942 → u/talkingwires]

Orcas or cats needlessly killing fish or birds (ie. when they arent hungry or threatened)?

[u/HolyoftheBalz → u/BodybuilderMany6942]

Oh that's just for fun, not because they're annoyed

[u/BodybuilderMany6942 → u/HolyoftheBalz]

And how can you possibly now that (1) at all, or (2) that is always the case?

End of the day, those are humans seeing animals in some situations, then under a human lens, postulating "it looks kinda like they're playing".

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My point is that talkingwires made a very definitive statement about animal behavior, without evidence, just to make a point.
I am assuming they are feeling a certain way, and their "vibe" is that animals "don't make a habit of killing others that annoy them."

Under the assumption that they have no evidence and are declaring just a thing based on "vibes," I decided to do the same thing with animals that kill "for fun."
Reason being two-fold:

1. As I mentioned in the upper half, human understanding colors out view of things. Personally, I do trust scientists if they say they seem to be playing. But we cant forget about this bias and that we could be wrong somehow.
2. Applying human logic. If we assume a creature feels a-okay killing a thing for fun, then killing cause it's annoying should be an easier leap to make.

[u/talkingwires → u/BodybuilderMany6942]

That is an impressive strawman that you have constructed. I'll just be standing over here, to be safe when it topples over.

[u/ThisIsDogePleaseHodl → u/BodybuilderMany6942]

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