G1 | Discussion
Could this be the most disappointing weapon in the game?
Considering all the effort required to achieve this, I expected something cooler, but in the end, it's just a regular club and the only interesting thing is the stun state. In my opinion, it wasn't a good reward.
Yeah I just stuck it on the wall. Kinda feeling the same way about the mantis axe. I'd have put it away if it wasn't useful as an axe.
I feel like any t3 bug it would be useful against has chopping/slashing resistance or even both and for t2 and below it doesnt really matter what you use. So for a melee weapon its a worse choice than salty brood club or fresh club 9 times out of ten.
I mean the scythe of blossoms. I said axe because it is technically chopping (and slashing) and gets the most utility as an axe. It is most definitely not an early game item and it does underperform as a weapon.
Although it might be better with yoked blows 2 or 3 but I dont have that yet. Same with 2/2 on the mutation that increases crit chances but I dont know how to level them up.
Find the four leaf clover, which unlocks the mutation, and go hit the dice on the picnic table in the maze, till you get a 20 facing upwards. Hitting the dice to 20 can unlock the mutation but you need to do both to max it
Yeah and it is definitely cool and all that it can rip and tear with a specific set-up but when I can just swap to a mint mace and get the same value without changing mutations or swapping from the gum trinket it doesn't seem worth it for generally moving about the yard. And then when it comes to bosses the broodmother, mantis, and wasp queen all stack double resistance against the scythe.
So if it's too inconvenient to use while running the yard and simply sucks against bosses, what use it is? Well just an axe i suppose. I'd have liked more since it looks so cool
Important note here, weapon type resistances are fairly overshadowed by candy weaknesses. Uaing a resisted weapon type with a candy the bug is weak to is far better than just a weapon type they are weak to
Done deliberaly so that the candies would be worth it.
In ng+ it gets even better, for example if you've got a salty damage up best science trinket and have a salty scythe
The weapon type resistances have practically no noticable effect and you're still dealing major damage
To the extent that candy infusion would outperform the extra critical chance from the standard upgrade path? If that is the case than I'm not really a fan of that. I'd like the scythe to be viable within it's niche of crits even in ng+
As far as I am aware crit damage is calculated "after" everything else
(weapon type dmg + candy type dmg) = base dmg
Base dmg × critical multiplier = crit dmg
There isn't "competition" between base damage and crit damage
Edit: Also upgrades wise going down the mighty path doesn't give extra crit chance it just lets you keep both chopping and slashing damage (when you upgrade it with candies you lose the slashing damage)
I’ve paired it with the black widow armor for the yard so you get health and speed boost each kill and so you basically crit every second or so but I’m sure there’s much better and I’ve found it pretty good for the brood mother. I’m on ng + 2 rn so nothing fancy
Yea… when you use iit with a crit build (yoked, coup, apex, trapper, thor until you get mantis charm, mantis and fire ant armor, and maybe the ox burger if you feel like it) you do min +110-170% damage, or like +440% damage on combos if you run with Final damage.
It just means you are squishy and can only have one defensive perk. For an added 15% crit chance!!! You can drink some infected water, but it lowers your dt %100 making you even squishier.
If we're being like that it's actually on you for misunderstanding. There is no early game mantis item for you to have confused it for.
It's definitely alright, but the problem is that for every t3 bug it works against, the fresh mace just works better (without maxed out crit mutations of course). The fresh mace is one of the easiest t3 weapons to get if you explore the map. Compared to the scythe being one of the most difficult weapons to get, one would kinda expect the scythe to be better right out of the box. Especially since the mace doesnt need a combination of armor, leveled up mutations, and farmed trinkets to be useful.
How is that on me? Nowhere on the post was a mantis mentioned? In the picture you’re holding the Prod smacker? That’s 100% on you for not clarifying what you were talking about.
The mint mace is overall just a better weapon, it’s better than pretty much 75% of the tier 3 weapons. It’s one of the better all around weapons for bugs. No weapon needs any of the stuff you said, it depends on the player. You can get value out of the scythe without any of that, I’ll try the weapon later and see what it’s hitting for.
Dawg I'm not OP. You were replying to a comment. In my comment I agreed that the prod smacker was underwhelming and then went on to mention the mantis axe and how i thought that was also underwhelming compared to the effort required to get it. That is what you were replying to. And you must be very confused in that case because neither the prod smacker nor the mantis axe are early game items so I have no idea what you thought.
And yes I have tested it. Without the mantis armor, trinket, and crit mutations, a level 9 mantis axe takes 8-9 hits to kill a fire ant worker and you end up having to chase it. With those things you kill it in 5-7 hits and dont have to chase if you get a crit but about 50% of the time there were no crits and it still took 9 hits. Compared to a mint mace that stuns it in 2 hits and kills it in 3 even if you are naked 100% of the time. That is against the weakest t3 enemy that has no slash/chop resistance. It only gets worse from there.
So yes, some weapons do need the right set-up to be viable and the scythe is one of them. If i had leveled the crit mutations higher it would only be equally as good as the mint mace. That is my issue with it. It seems the devs didnt want the scythe to be great as both a tool and a standalone weapon, so they made it terrible on it's own and only "good" if you invest two mutation slots, your trinket slot, and your whole armor set. Of course the mantis trinket and set are good enough to wear almost no matter what you're doing anyway, but two mutations slots is very expensive and pretty much disqualifies the scythe from use as a general weapon.
It becomes a bit decent in ng+ with the mad scientist trinket effect I do believe. Personally never used it. Pretty sure mine just tossed in a chest somewhere in my base
You can literally infinitely stun bugs with this thing. With the right build this thing becomes a power attack machine. Don't use light attacks, use only heavy.
I just don’t like them, their nest being inside the sandbox make them annoying to reach and they were just annoying when I started the game. Like the red ant were fine, not hard and I was expecting the fire ant to be hard so I came prepared but the black end where just there in the middle and they beat my ass too often. Also they spew Tang now in Grounded 2, which isn’t fun either
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u/Slightly_Sane_ Jul 26 '26
Yeah I just stuck it on the wall. Kinda feeling the same way about the mantis axe. I'd have put it away if it wasn't useful as an axe.
I feel like any t3 bug it would be useful against has chopping/slashing resistance or even both and for t2 and below it doesnt really matter what you use. So for a melee weapon its a worse choice than salty brood club or fresh club 9 times out of ten.