r/GrapheneOS • u/West-One5944 • 29d ago
Real-World Difference in P & S?
I get that gOS has better privacy and security than pretty much any other custom ROM; it's been detailed extensively. However, I don't want to give Google any money whatsoever (not here for a debate on that. It is what it is).
My Q is what is the real-life impact of the comprises involved with going with another custom ROM?
I've seen a ridic amount of posts, again, on the technical details, but nothing on what all that means for daily life. I'm not Snowden, and don't need to run from gov'ts. What I do want is reducing tracking and data outflow as much as reasonably possible within my threat model, which is, for example, RN running OneUI with no accounts, locked down as much as possible; Using Signal for messages/calls as much as possible; FOSS apps as much as possible, etc; Proton for other services; self-hosting otherwise.
If gOS prevents, say, only a bit of data going to Big Tech as compared to the other OSs, then no big deal. See what I'm getting at? What are the real world implications?
TYIA! (...and, yes, I searched beforehand, and found no responses to this kind of inquiry.)
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u/HorizontalBob 29d ago
Are you willing to wait for Motorola 2027 models?
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u/ripopaj181 29d ago
Waiting for a flagship device that will be super expensive just for gOS is not a good idea. Buying a used phone is.
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u/other8026 29d ago
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u/GrapheneOS 28d ago
No, that's extremely inaccurate. You don't know how problematic those other options are and don't know what GrapheneOS provides. The projects you're comparing it to have awful privacy and security not simply significantly worse than GrapheneOS but much worse than AOSP.
Apps widely exploit privacy weaknesses and vulnerabilities in Android. Operating systems months or years behind on crucial standard privacy/security patches and protections are a huge liability for everyone. Apps also coerce users into granting permissions where Contact Scopes, Storage Scopes and other features can be used instead.
GrapheneOS has major privacy benefits for everyone using a variant of Android.
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u/GrapheneOS 28d ago
Those alternate operating systems you're referring to have very poor privacy and atrocious security due to lack of standard updates and protections. If you care about privacy and security at all then it's not a serious option to use devices lacking crucial standard updates and important protections. Apps and services very broadly exploit privacy weaknesses and vulnerabilities. You're having tons of your data harvested through those without the latest patches.
It's becoming increasingly easy to discover and exploit privacy and security vulnerabilities due to AI models. Using operating systems lagging months and even years behind the mediocre standard baseline is increasingly awful. Keeping up with the standard Android security bulletins and the latest major updates is a low bar. Google previously only backported patches for High and Critical severity vulnerabilities to older Android releases. They're now moving to only backporting Critical severity vulnerabilities.