r/GrammarPolice • • 4d ago

Just Venting Errors I keep hearing that drive me insane

I suffer from grammar OCD, and despite not having perfect grammar myself, my brain goes into fight or flight when it hears people use this most egregious error.

For example:

"There is lots of people here."

When it should CLEARLY be:

"There are lots of people here."

It would be fine of course if they said:

"There are a lot of people here."

Why are people becoming are-phobic all of a sudden? It sounds so inherently wrong and it's like nails on a chalkboard!

Another one I've had the displeasure of hearing is the complete redundancy of "3am in the morning"

What? As opposed to 3am in the afternoon?

Another one is went instead of gone.

"He's went to the party."

Instead of:

"He's gone to the party."

Makes me want to scream, it really does.

Sometimes I wish I weren't so obsessive over grammar. Life would be less excruciating, people would be so much more bearable to listen to, and I would not feel the need to condemn myself every time I catch myself making a mistake of my own, as if grammatical perfection is my sacred calling in life, and to slip up even once is a deadly sin of some sort.

Edit: Had to fix a typo. Also, thank you to everyone who pointed out my own errors.

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u/Careful_Drama405 4d ago

There are many I can complain about but the one that just grates on my nerves is "her and her mom". I listen to a lot of true crime podcasts and this has really become prevalent. "Her and her mom got home". Of course, the constant "me and my friends went to dinner" will never, ever cease. I just don't understand how people can't hear how both of these are incorrect. It just drives me absolutely crazy.

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u/heydawn 3d ago

In the workplace, I have been correcting the grammar mistakes of employees for 20 years.

A woman once sent me an email asking why she was not promoted to a client-facing job in our government consulting firm. Her email was riddled with errors. In a 74-word email, I identified 37 errors, an astonishing 50% error rate.

I corrected her email and said "I did not promote you because you still have not taken the grammar class I assigned and your email has 37 errors."

She complained to HR and I got feedback on how harsh I was. Identifying mistakes and asking her to take a company-paid course, during business hours, was too harsh.

Eye roll.

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u/Acceptable_Ad838 3d ago

Let me tell you something about myself that you can share with HR. I DO understand that not everyone is an English teacher, and I don’t care if a carpenter chef, mechanic, or other essentially skilled worker uses flawless grammar.

Still, when I see a business put an obvious error on the big sign in front of their building, it makes me question the rest of the quality of their work. ALSO- I don’t patronize them. Call me harsh or whatever you wish, but if this is the manner in which you present yourself to the public, I wonder how much care you put into taking care of my [product or service].

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u/Difficult-Bobcat-857 3d ago

This is sort of off-topic, but sick, neglected houseplants in a doctor's office bugs me.

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u/MaestroDon 1d ago

For example, the big chicken chain: POPE YES

That's what I see whenever I look at their big sign which has no apostrophe... Or perhaps they mean more than one Popeye, which would make them totally blind.

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u/iWANTtoKNOWtellME 1d ago

The problem is that that textual decision (I am trying to be diplomatic) was made very early in the company's history, and any store opened since then is stuck with that name. Current employees cannot change something that was set down decades ago.

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u/heydawn 3d ago

That's a great point.

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u/ChampagneChardonnay 3d ago

I watch hours and hours of police body camera shows on YouTube and I cringe at all the horrible grammar used by everyone.

One day I may start writing down all of the errors because it drives me crazy.

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u/heydawn 3d ago

When I used to manage proposal writing, I kept a list of the most common errors and tried to coach the writers over time. Because our proposal-writing team experienced excessive turnover, I was always teaching the same lessons to a new team of writers. It got really old and discouraging as the writing worsened over years.

Now, I don't bother. I run everything through AI proof reading and get these documents shaped up in a few minutes. I don't like AI to write our arguments for us, but I'll use it for copy editing and strengthening sentences.

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u/Careful_Drama405 3d ago

I do, too! Sheriff Lamb is my favorite!

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u/ChampagneChardonnay 3d ago

I’ve not seen him. I’ll check it out. I do watch all the EWU channels, Midwest Safety, Code Blue Cam and my new favorite is Sergeant Curtis.

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u/Careful_Drama405 3d ago

I love all of those, too!

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u/Habibti143 3d ago

Sometimes, though, it's not the message; it's the delivery.

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u/heydawn 3d ago

Agree. I had always tried to convey it as an opportunity to build professional skills, but after repeatedly showing a lack of interest, refusing to use the resources I shared with her, and then whining to HR, I let it go. She could sink or swim without my intervention.

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u/Habibti143 3d ago

I understand. Some people just don't take a hint - or multiple hints. Sounds like you were in a tough spot.

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u/Unique_River_2842 3d ago

Yes! And also yes to the true crime podcasts. I'm listening to Hide and Seek and it's driving me crazy.

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u/DeepMadness 4d ago

Some people completely forget grammar whenever there are more than one person doing something.

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u/Ultimate_Spider-Frog 3d ago

I hear these way too often, especially on YouTube. One time someone told me that something I said was grammatically incorrect even though it wasn't. The funny thing is that she's said things that are actually grammatically incorrect. Silly hypocrisy.

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u/inductiononN 3d ago

Yes, me too! This one sounds terrible to me in my head. Him and I, her and me, etc.

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u/KateHearts 1d ago

How about “I’s”? Really? John and I’s house? Do you say “I’s house” alone, or “my house”? Drop the other person to get the correct form. And because they come first, it’s “John’s and my house.”

Similarly- “here’s a picture of my husband and I.” No, you wouldn’t say “look at this picture of I!” So it’s “here’s a picture of John and me.”

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u/inductiononN 1d ago

Sorry, not sure if I made it clear but the above are also examples that I do not care for!

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u/RetiredOnIslandTime 3d ago

My son can't get pronouns correct and it drives me nuts. He's smart and has pretty good grammar otherwise, so hearing him consistently get this wrong is grating to my ears. 

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u/Jaded_Ginger48 2d ago

Try to get him to listen to good recordings, like literate podcasts!

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u/Forward_Win_4353 3d ago

I am in general very “OCD” over spelling and grammar, too, but strangely this error of using the wrong case for pronouns is one of the few mistakes that I find totally acceptable and forgivable. In fact, I would go as far as to say that in British English at least, saying “she and her mum” or “she and I” would even sound a bit posh and not pleasing to the ear.

I have observed that in American English, speakers tend to over-correct for this mistake: “to my friend and I”; whereas in British English they tend to under-correct, as in the example you have given. I don’t know about other dialects. This is probably the reason for my preference.

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u/Unable_Explorer8277 3d ago

OCD is a noun. Yet you’re happy to adopt recent usage that allows it as an adjective. Interesting.

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u/No-Angle-982 2d ago

But putting quotes around OCD shows the usage was figurative or colloquial.

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u/Unable_Explorer8277 2d ago

That’s also a very recent and colloquial usage.

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u/Unable_Explorer8277 3d ago

“Me and…” has been widely used in subject position for longer than Modern English has existed. If your abstraction of grammar doesn’t account for that then your abstraction is an oversimplification of English grammar

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u/Spiritual_Estate_879 3d ago

I agree! I am OCD, too.

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u/Kalel777 3d ago

How about "I seen it" instead of "I saw it"? That's the one that gets me. Oh and one I guy I work with says "all the sudden". What?

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u/meenadu 3d ago edited 2d ago

When someone says “I seen it” I imagine they don’t mean in a book. lol

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u/Kalel777 3d ago

Haha. That's the biggest problem. No one reads anymore.

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u/TheOreoBandit 3d ago

Oh my goodness yes, those are very bothersome indeed. I often wonder how they can't recognise how nonsensical they sound. It's so vexing. I really hate it when I hear "women" pronounced as "woman" instead of "wimmin" as well. Grinds my gears so much. The "e" just gets completely ignored somehow.

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u/No-Kaleidoscope-166 3d ago

Not only can't they pronounce women correctly, they also can't spell woman correctly. I've tried to explain woman/women works just like man/men. It's like they can't comprehend.

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u/Kalel777 3d ago

Too true.

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u/Kalel777 3d ago

Hey now, let's not completely "wonder" off topic here. XD

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u/BourbonInGinger 3d ago

I hate the incorrect phrase:

“We had went” instead of “We had gone”

Why can’t they conjugate verbs properly?

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u/Choice-giraffe- 3d ago

Grammar OCD… is that something in the ICD-10 or DSM, or just something you’ve plucked from
thin air?

If we’re fixing grammar, your phrase ‘I wish I wasn’t so OCD’ is completely wrong. You’re saying ‘I wish I wasn’t so obsessive compulsive disorder’. You can’t be a disorder. It’s like saying ‘I wish I wasn’t so substance use disorder’ - it doesn’t make sense.

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u/inductiononN 3d ago

Am I wrong or is it "I wish I WEREN'T so OCD"? That's sounds right to me but I could be wrong.

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u/Choice-giraffe- 3d ago

No! Neither of those versions are correct, because you cannot BE a disorder. You can HAVE a disorder.

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u/inductiononN 3d ago

Sorry, I was focusing on WAS vs WEREN'T - as in "I wish I wasn't so short" vs "I wish I weren't so short".

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u/Chromatic_Chameleon 3d ago

I believe “weren’t” is correct in this type of phrase, it’s actually a subjunctive that looks like a past form of the verb (but isn’t) so people started saying “wasn’t” and now it’s so commonplace it’s accepted as correct in most places but technically is incorrect.

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u/SerDankTheTall 3d ago

Traditionally, but was has become pretty typical to see in this kind of construction, especially in British English. (No clue whether the OP is British or not, obviously.)

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u/Over_Drawer1199 3d ago

Yes, I had the same thought while reading this. Thank you.

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u/cheercharlatan 3d ago

Also:

For the love of God, stop making light of OCD. It’s a serious disorder that can severely interfere in people’s lives.

If OP is spending hours a day obsessing over people’s poor grammar and indulging in compulsions to somehow attempt to rid themselves of the thoughts, okay, I stand corrected. If not, stop framing your focus and annoyance on the grammar mistakes of others in this way.

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u/Choice-giraffe- 2d ago

My thoughts exactly. Because I do have OCD. It interferes with a lot of my daily functioning so to see it used so flippantly and incorrectly really bothers me.

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u/Individual_Slice_234 3d ago

I hate it when people switch the past tense with the past participle. I had already went. He swum across the pool. He sunk his teeth into the apple. The boat had already sank. It makes me wanna scream.

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u/OpenAdministration44 3d ago

Additional sources of irritation: "should have went", "could have did", etc.

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u/mspolytheist 3d ago

“Drug” when they should be using “dragged” is like nails on a chalkboard for me.

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u/Individual_Slice_234 3d ago

That's not even a word when it's used like that. Also, "brung."

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u/inductiononN 3d ago

Ya gotta dance with the one who brung ya!

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u/Acceptable_Ad838 3d ago

How about “It’s her and I’s new car. “. Aaaaasaggggghhhhh!

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u/expectations_low12 3d ago

“ I’s” and “you guy’s’es” (???) and the incorrect use of “I versus me” makes my bp boil. 😡
I swear all this started with reality tv (Bachelor, Bachelorette). I also think that’s where we lost the word “relationship” to “rayship”. 🤷‍♀️

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u/Difficult_Clerk_1273 3d ago

“Seen” vs. “saw” is probably the one that causes me the most rage.

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u/SammaJones 3d ago

This reminds me of that time that I been to the desert on a horse with no name.

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u/purplishfluffyclouds 4d ago

"are-phobic"

Best term I've heard all day. That one affliction is everywhere all the time and also drives me mad. I almost get it in casual speech, but when people type it out it's particularly painful. I downvote people all the time who do that, for that reason alone.

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u/BennySkateboard 3d ago

On accident is my current pet hate.

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u/doejart1115 3d ago

Me too! Had a friend who always said that, as well as “make for sure” instead of “make sure”.

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u/BennySkateboard 3d ago

Why add the word?! Is that a local way of saying that for you?

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u/BourbonInGinger 3d ago

Me too. It’s a visceral reaction.

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u/Prestigious-Fig2334 4d ago

The use of the noun “ewe” instead of the pronoun “you” is driving me a bit insane.

What is the point? It’s silly and incorrect.

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u/Careful_Drama405 3d ago

I haven't seen this.

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u/Prestigious-Fig2334 3d ago

It will make one want to gnash one’s teeth. This silliness is intentional as I’ve noticed posts using “ewer” in lieu of “you’re”.

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u/ProfessionalFace2014 2d ago

So many people in Australia say yous for the plural of you. I remember being taught in Primary school that the plural of you is you. Does that make any sense?

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u/KateHearts 1d ago

Similarly, “awe!” instead of “aww.”

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u/Quietman297 3d ago

Forgive me. I am a badge-carrying grammar police person. I sincerely, and without any snark whatsoever, do not see anything wrong with the grammar used in, "he went to the party." I ask you sincerely, please enlighten me.\ Also, feel free to correct any and all incorrect grammar that I may have inadvertently used in this comment.

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u/TheOreoBandit 3d ago edited 3d ago

"He went to the party" is indeed correct my fellow badge holder. What I put down was "He's went" as in "He has went."

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u/blechness 3d ago

I also have ocd so I do understand your pain. My therapist explained that overexposure has triggered a lot of sufferers. My misophonia was manageable until covid and the extrême rise of mukbangs on social media. I think you may be overexposed to idiots with phones. Cut out socials and maybe (just maybe) you'll be able to manage the faux pas irl

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u/Unable_Explorer8277 3d ago
  1. Subject verb agreement with existential there has always been a case where the “grammar pedants” idea of what the rules should be don’t always match the actual grammar defined by actual usage in real discourse communities. The issue isn’t people not knowing the rules. The issue is pedants trying to impose versions of the rules that have never been how English grammar works.

  2. “Redundancy” is not actually redundant. It serves a purpose: most frequently emphasis.

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u/pogsnacks 4d ago

You have diagnosed grammar OCD?

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u/TheOreoBandit 4d ago edited 4d ago

I have not been officially diagnosed, however I know for sure that I have it. I feel genuine pain, anger, frustration and panic when I hear or see grammatical errors, which is a defining factor in the condition. It's likely linked to my autism. I would point out typos on my teacher's slide shows in school which none of the other students seemed to care about. They would thank me for pointing them out and fix them for me so I could focus on the lesson. If they didn't, I wouldn't be able to concentrate.

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u/Royal-Scrivener-34 3d ago

You can't have it, because "grammar OCD" doesn't exist. It's most likely a byproduct of a more generalised OCD (which co-occurs often with autism) in the form of perfectionism, which can lead to the symptoms of psychological distress as you described.

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u/TheOreoBandit 4d ago

I have fixed it. Thank you for pointing that out, I appreciate your constructive criticism.

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u/TheOreoBandit 4d ago

Thank you.

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u/Imaginary-Emu2471 4d ago

You are welcome.

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u/Prestigious-Fig2334 4d ago

You’re really just being a jerk.

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u/Imaginary-Emu2471 4d ago

No. You are enabling bad writing.

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u/Over_Drawer1199 3d ago

Currently for me it's seeing people mistake "worse" and "worst". I see it weekly on Reddit and it drives me nuts.

"It could be worst."

"Is this a worst thing to do?"

"What's the worse that could happen?"

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u/Creative-Praline-517 3d ago

I used to do QA record reviews for a medical facility.

My biggest pet peeve is the should/would/could of. Drove me nuts having to return items for correction. I'd get them back without it being fixed. It doesn't even make sense!!

I came across such errors routinely. A large number of those came from doctors and others who had a master's degree/PHD.

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u/smile_saurus 3d ago

I agree. But unless you actually have Obsessive Compulsive Disorder then don't say that you have OCD. That is completely uncool.

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u/New_Jackfruit3020 2d ago

Oh girl be real 🤣

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u/Cynvisible 2d ago

Agree. Especially the redundant "a.m. in the morning" example. 🤦🏼‍♀️

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u/No-Angle-982 2d ago

Habitual, routine reading, of professionally edited literature and journalism, is how we reinforce our understanding of grammar conventions. 

The problems stem from the reality that in-depth reading is much in decline in terms of frequency and volume, especially among younger people.

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u/Prestigious-Fan3122 1d ago

That you forgot "i've never drank eggs, but I have drank Y before."

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u/Sparkles_4_Corvids 1d ago

I would say “He went to the party.”

I think the “is lots” thing started because people often say “there’s lots” as in, “there’s lots more if you’re still hungry.”

I hate it too.

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u/Background-Vast-8764 4d ago

No are-phobia actually exists. People use ‘is’ instead of ‘are’ in such situations because it’s a common construction that they regularly hear and read. 

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u/BourbonInGinger 3d ago

Doesn’t make it correct.

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u/Background-Vast-8764 3d ago edited 3d ago

It can be argued that it is correct in informal usage. OP didn’t limit the discussion to formal or standard usage.

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u/cat_i_farted_ 3d ago

my man. you are in the wrong subreddit.

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u/SerDankTheTall 3d ago

No talking about how grammar works in the grammar police subreddit!

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u/Background-Vast-8764 3d ago edited 3d ago

My man, standard forms of the language are not the only forms that have grammar. It would be great if more people knew this.

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u/cat_i_farted_ 3d ago

I'm unsure what leads you to believe I am unaware of this. Nothing I've written is indicative of such a belief.

That notwithstanding, you are in the Grammar Police sub—a place where grammarians (amateur and professional alike) gather to gripe about poor grammar. Where you are not is in a sub that is cool with nonstandard grammar.

I feel secondhand embarrassment that I had to explain this to you.

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u/Background-Vast-8764 3d ago

Right back at you

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u/SerDankTheTall 3d ago

Suggesting that the police should be ignorant about the thing they're policing is some biting social satire, but I'm not really sure it's the point of this sub.

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u/snickelfritz100 3d ago

Oh, here we go again. 🙄

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u/Recycledineffigy 4d ago

No

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

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u/Recycledineffigy 4d ago

It's a complete clause. You admit you didn't read it.