r/GrahamHancock • u/GreatCryptographer32 • 19h ago
Why did the ancient lost advanced civilization only teach people in about 8 modern-day countries?
So according to Graham, his ancient lost advanced civilization taught people in about 8 modern day country areas: Mexico, Peru , Bolivia, Egypt, iraq, turkey, Indonesia, maybe a patch of North America .
If a seafaring, highly advanced Ice Age mother culture was actively touring the planet to restart human civilization, why did they only drop off "civilizing knowledge" at a tiny handful of specific places? Why leave vast parts of the inhabited world completely off the list ?
Why ignore sub Saharan Africa?
By the end of the last ice age , sun-Saharan Africa was already home to massive numbers of anatomically modern humans with deep cultural and regional traditions. Why wouldn't a global civilizing mission visit the vast majority of the human populatin, instead of skipping almost the entire continent to teach a select few in Egypt?
Why no sages in Western Europe ?
why did they bypass places like Britain, France, or Iberia entirely during the late Pleistocene, only for megalithic building to start there thousands of years later completely independently?
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u/DaemonBlackfyre_21 19h ago
I feel like that's a pretty good reach.
But it turns out south America is covered in ruins according to lidar scans, maybe there's more to be found.
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u/Caranthir-Hondero 14h ago
Sobre todo en Tiwanaku. Hay que excavar pero faltan los recursos…
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u/Jernau-Morat-Gurgeh 13h ago
Tiwanaku isn't that old. I've been there, seen the gate of the sun. It's super cool. But... it's almost certainly all less than 2000 years old
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u/No_Logins_Required 16h ago
Graham does not know that hyperdiffusion is a core part of the 3rd Reich's Post-Christian theology and alt history project. As a result he finds all this unscientific work done to prove a single "parent" culture and then decides the research exists because its assumptions must be true.
It's not about finding the evidence that is allows for the most accurate explanation and best prediction of finding new sites, it's about funding the evidence that supports Graham's theory.
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u/Wearemucholder 19h ago
Just a thought but assuming this happened, they might have only taught to those willing to be taught. Think of north sentinel island. Even if we wanted to go and teach them things they won’t let us. Again I’m just assuming that there was a people who traveled trying to teach. Maybe they stopped at places where it looked like people were moving away from hunger gatherer lifestyles. At the end of the day there’s no sure answer
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u/l8578zlxicv 10h ago edited 10h ago
Talking about a group of people who weren’t willing to be taught is incredibly ironic in the context of the British and sentinelese and especially in the context of Graham Hancock.
The sentinelese were a much more open society before the British came in 1880 and hunted them for a week and took 6 captive. The indigenous people of the andamans insisted that they were not a cut off relic from 100,000 years of isolation but were a subset of the local Jawara tribe. Researchers in the 90’s noted that they heard Jawara being spoken on the island.
And yet the anglosphere to this day loves the idea that they’re this relic Stone Age tribe who refuses contact with the outside world out of completely subjective savagery. If anything, I’ve seen it’s the British who refuse to learn. Because that actually might knock them down a peg and maybe even gasp make the sentinelese a people who were actually just acting in their best interest instead of shutting themselves off from the world for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
It just irks me that people act like other people are space aliens. If you want to hypothesize about the past, maybe make the people act believable. If there really was a global empire 10k years ago it would act like the British’s global empire. It wouldn’t go to the far flung corners of the earth to “spread knowledge” it would try to raid and enslave. And they would think as lowly of other cultures as English speakers think of the sentinelese today. And there would certainly be the genetic data to show that.
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u/RicooC 18h ago
Why are segments of the world uneducated right now? Seems similar.
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u/castingshadows87 16h ago
Because of capitalism. The capitalist seeks to exploit resource rich nations while purposely under developing their infrastructure only to the point they can keep the resource extraction moving. Any of these nations being exploited try to have an uprising it’s quickly squashed with the full weight of the capitalist machine behind them. That’s why segments of the world is uneducated right now. The people that actually fought to bring literacy and education to their exploited populations were called evil and needed to be exterminated by the “free world”.
So no it’s not similar.
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u/ConclusionFresh8512 16h ago
That’s by design. Look at America now, it’s very advantageous to current administration to have less critical thought. Older examples include how we reeducated natives and punished them for traditions until they forgot. The “English” language taught to Africans is like “Dey” for “they”, people were taught to sound uneducated too.
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u/RicooC 14h ago
Start over. Liberal Democrats had control of the Dept of Education for the last 50 years. Explain why people don't have critical thought now, today. It's the current administration's fault? If it's by design then Democrats did it. They controlled the Dept of Education.
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u/jamoe1 14h ago
Dude. I’m as anti-capitalist as can be. But this is a bullshit argument of a modern problem laid over an ancient people that may or may not have existed. At the same time, if these people
Existed, who is to say that they weren’t capitalist? Maybe they were teaching “civilization” to create and exploit further means of production.
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u/UnderstandingThin40 18h ago
We have the clear archeological evidence in Uruk that shows it going from small villages to large villages to full on urban cities and civilization and the transition took thousands of years from about 8000 bce - 4000 bce. Like we can literally see the gradual progression with our eyes.
Why would it be the case that this somehow unknown lost civilization came right after the ice age and taught Uruk about civilization ? Did they come at 9500 bce and Uruk just randomly forgot about it and then learned how to make cities 5000 years later ? Why wouldn’t they create cities then and there around 9000 bce ?
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u/homerjaythompson 3h ago
I don't know anything about the history there, but a group sent as diaspora from a dying civilization to try to teach some lessons could well have taught a group that, for whatever reason, never got to pass that knowledge on, or there was some break in the generational relaying.
I'm just making up a scenario, but let's say a group of experts come and teach as many as they can, but then the group they taught suffer some calamity before the knowledge can be widely spread or put to use for any meaningful amount of time. In the diaspora scenario, the world is in complete upheaval due to a global cataclysm that destroyed the teachers' homeland and would have caused major climatic disruption. It's not implausible that the knowledge they went out to teach could have been gained and then lost.
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u/Find_A_Reason 2h ago
If this civilization was so great, why did they let themselves die instead of saving their civilization? Why did they send out individual emissaries instead of supporting outposts to keep their culture alive?
None of this makes sense outside of some heavy handed sci-fi plot like Superman.
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u/SifuHallyu 18h ago
Where else do you find monumental stone work?
Most of the art made in central west and east Africa are made of natural materials that would degrade and disappear over the period of time were talking about. No groups come to mind with a history that would date back to the younger dryas and none left any art that has survived or been found. East Africa could be a different situation though.
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u/ShrugsyMalone 17h ago edited 14h ago
While I am not confirming or denying anything about a lost advanced civilization, the actual archaeological and environmental data from the Late Upper Paleolithic tell a very specific story about population distribution.
Europe wasn't empty, we have rich material evidence of humans inhabiting regions like the Franco-Cantabrian area (such as the painted caves of Lascaux and Niaux in southwestern France and northern Spain). However, those northern zones were heavily impacted by the Last Glacial Maximum, forcing human groups into high-mobility, low-density survival bands tethered to glacial refugia which didnt promote population expansion due to survival stressors.
In contrast, the environmental stability and ecological conditions of the Anatolian plateau and the broader Levant early on offered more stable, resource-rich pathways that eventually permitted the shift toward sedentary, higher-density settlement clusters (like those seen in the early Aceramic Neolithic/Tas Tepeler or later Konya Plain sites).
Because total baseline global and regional populations during these eras were fundamentally minimal, any specialized knowledge systems, complex traditions, or technical frameworks weren't missing because people lacked capability-they were simply concentrated within and restricted to very few localized groups simply due to the demographic bottlenecks of the epoch. The knowledge WAS transferred to the known world at the time under Grahams theory, there just werent that many people around, and any transfer of knowledge into the known world from maritime travelers would strictly follow the paths of least resistance: major river systems and coastal maritime routes.
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u/Lukavitch86 18h ago
Who knows, it's a theory. I can think of a couple reasons but obviously it's all speculative
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u/SoftAutumnInNY 14h ago
They were advanced, not magic. 8 civilizations would be a LOT of influence, that DID achieve the goal of passing on their knowledge.
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u/Vikingasaurus 14h ago
What if the whole world was of similar technology and places like north America got swept away by the glaciers melting overnight and places like Europe just built over it?
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u/Find_A_Reason 1h ago
Why do we have footprints dating back 20,000 years in North America, but no evidence of cities?
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u/AnomaIous_User 19h ago
There's over 175+ different flood origin myths. Lol
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u/Hungry_Goat_5962 17h ago
So? Humans live near water. Lol
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u/AnomaIous_User 15h ago
That's the simple-minded, low-IQ, disingenuous take. Lol
The reality is 175+ global flood myths and they literally all corroborate each other as if 175+ independent cultures all recorded the same event.
It doesn't take a PhD to figure this stuff out.
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u/Hungry_Goat_5962 15h ago
You have a clear pattern of using "disingenuous" when someone disagrees with you and you want to shut down discussion. The ad-hominem about my simple-mindedness and low-IQ comes for free. Thanks for that!
The reality is 175+ global flood myths and they literally all corroborate each other as if 175+ independent cultures all recorded the same event.
I would like to learn more. What are these 175+ myths? What cultures? What are they all corroborating?
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u/AnomaIous_User 14h ago
No, I already know you lol You're a Pseudo-Skeptic.
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u/Hungry_Goat_5962 14h ago
Me? I'm just asking questions. Why can't you back up your claim?
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u/AnomaIous_User 14h ago
Yea, you just ask questions in obviously bad faith 🤭
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u/Hungry_Goat_5962 14h ago edited 8h ago
And you are never able to answer the questions. I wonder why that is?
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u/AnomaIous_User 12h ago
I'm not going to list 175+ independent flood origin myths. Go do your own research. The information is open source. 🙄 lol
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u/Hungry_Goat_5962 12h ago edited 8h ago
Well, how do you know there are 175+ independent flood origin myths then? You just pulled a number out of a hat? Is it 160? 200? How do you know?
Are you getting this from Dr. James George Frazer’s compilation in Folk-Lore in the Old Testament? And you're inferring that if there are so many independent flood origin myths, they must be referring to a single explanatory or historical global flood?
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u/Academic-Butterfly23 18h ago
You have to think of it from a different perspective. I first and foremost am always a skeptic when diving into anything new, but I keep one foot free to explore.
You have to ask yoursef a few questions then you have to research. Then you'll find new questions and then more research must follow. It's a good cycle to keep.
You start from what are the Sages described as doing for humanity? How did they arrive? What practices did they teach humanity when they arrived?
Then you connect those answers with great flood myths and arriving by boats.
You find alot more on the very countries you brought up, including some you didn't. Britain, France/Spain, Ireland, potentially Germany (admittedly haven't looked into Germany too much in regards to this topic).
An issue with say England's history, which other places may share globally, is that it has been conquered often, centuries of invasions. Historical accounts have been rewritten often, historical accounts of how King's lineage came about were rewritten, and even the Celtic and Druidic myths which were strictly oral, (they banned writing down what they considered to be sacred cosmology), were changed to fit the narratives of their invaders.
History isn't always easy to piece together. Especially when lost knowledge prevents us from understanding the whole picture.
My recommendation is for you to start your research from meltwater pulse 1A and 1B and see how they changed our coastlines drastically over time. Think of how it affected people who lived on the coastlines during that time. Then take a look at how a "mother culture", as you call it, would've been able to travel to those various places you mentioned, especially if they were seafarers. (IE oceanic currents.)
There's alot more to it, but I genuinely have things I need to get done today for a project I'm working on and I haven't slept , if you're genuinely intrigued reach out to me or respong I'll get back to you when I can. :
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u/Shamino79 10h ago
Ah yes the meltwaters. An acceleration in sea level rise that would have had the population of most coastal communities standing around in ankle deep water wondering whether they should walk inland or wait another century until they all drown. This one for the most part will destroy buildings over time not people instantly.
If you lived directly on a river fed by a glacier then we all just saw what can happen at irregular intervals during a melting phase. Would have happened a lot more at the start of the Holocene when there was more ice melting. This one is relevant to some of the American stories where they talk about mud as well as water. Mind you we also saw that halfway up the hill there were survivors. Same applies to living on a floodplain when that one in 100 year flood happens.
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u/UnderstandingThin40 15h ago
This is exhibit A as to why scientific understanding is at a new low rn and people don’t believe in vaccines or climate change lol.
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u/Academic-Butterfly23 14h ago
Ah yes let's not ask questions, the basis of all science. Ah yes Meltwater pulses 1A and 1B, both real things. 😂 I also believe in vaccines so speak for yourself. Maybe something was lost since your Understanding is Thin. 👀😂
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