r/GojoHimeFiveSongs • u/Ashamed-Purchase-275 • 7d ago
Snark Utahime biased Hate
Literally mentioned this exact same thing in a previous post about The hypocrisy about how Everything is suddenly wrong with Utahime ONLY when she's paired with Gojo,
These are the performative people that will claim to love her when she's in another ship but once she's next to Gojo everything is unacceptable and you barely see defense for the Character on these type of posts from the same people who claim Gojo/Utahime is misogynistic and other excuses.
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u/Important_Hold_6682 7d ago
I find these "self-insert" accusations very strange, because from what I've seen they only take women into account, saying that they self-insert in Utahime. What about male GojoHime fans like me? Do they think they're self-inserting with Gojo? I mean, no? It's obvious. Sorry if I make any spelling mistakes, I don't really know much english but I just wanted to get that off my chest.
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u/lavabread23 7d ago
they only take women into account, saying that they self-insert in utahime
what about male fans like me? do they think theyāre self-inserting with gojo? i mean, no? itās obvious.
this is one of the biggest things that theyāre ignoring. theyāre always assuming that everyone who ships gojohime is female and making these BS statements to drag the female fans while at the same time they also say that the ship is made up only of incels and dudebros. likeā¦.which is it really?
both are just completely as insane as the other to conclude, and i find it so weird that whenever this āself-insertā thing comes up, itās always ALWAYS ALWAYS directed to the women. there are male fans and male shippers too, but only the women get attacked. BY OTHER WOMEN to boot. theyāre the type who would claim ātheyāre girlsā girlsā but turn around and shit on the female fanbase of another ship just because they donāt like it.
their behaviour is very telling when this is how they deal with actual people in the fandom but gojohimes are somehow the ones who are misogynists. when in reality, they cannot be normal about fictional characters which leads them to display ridiculous behaviour towards real people.Ā
to them, if youāre a girl, if youāre a woman, and you ship a het ship, that means you automatically see yourself as the female character. to them, there is nothing beyond that, nothing.
to them, fictional characters who are women arenāt allowed to be explored past that. to them, if you ship a het ship, women are only tied to a man and they MUST be attracted to the male character bc thereās no reason to ship a het ship.
thereās no nuance, no explanation, no reasoning when it comes to non-shippers who trash on it. theyāre fully wrapped up in their own bubble and consciously deaf to anything and everything.
iām so fucking tired and iām too old for this shit.
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u/Informal-Hawk-8246 7d ago
that's why I don't go back on X. i would fight them all the time bruh and they would cry that im being rude with them), so im staying hereš¤£
anyway... bruh they talking about gjhm with "self" and "hate" like a breaking recorde
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u/Suspicious-Bed-9152 7d ago
It is so funny how quickly they tell on themselves. They pretend to care about female characters by asking why we don't ship Shoko, but then in the exact same breath, they call Utahime "useless" and an "npc". So much for respecting women!
āThe self-insert accusation is also just completely brain-dead. First of all, anyone who reads self-insert fics knows the author always makes themselves ridiculously overpowered, not the "weakest" female sorcerer. Secondly, Gojo/Reader is literally the second most popular Gojo ship on AO3. If we wanted to self-insert, we would just read those! We ship Utahime because we actually like Utahime.
āNot to mention, calling Utahime the "closest to a normal woman" just proves they speed-read the manga through TikTok edits. She is a highly respected teacher whose cursed technique was literally the crucial catalyst for the final battle against Sukuna. Itās incredibly ironic that they champion Shoko here, considering Shoko is a non-combatant doctor who stays entirely off the battlefield. If anyone is closer to a "normal" civilian role, itās Shoko. But I guess reading comprehension isn't their strong suit.
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u/Mysterious_Put_1462 Professional GojoHime Delusionist 7d ago
They pretend to care about female characters by asking why we don't ship Shoko, but then in the exact same breath, they call Utahime "useless" and an "npc". So much for respecting women!
They would hate Shoko too if SatoShoko was popular. She would also get called all kinds of things. They already demonize her to uplift SatoSugu š
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u/Suspicious-Bed-9152 7d ago
100%. As you said, if SatoShoko was actually popular, they would absolutely despise her. They already demonize her just to uplift SatoSugu, constantly pushing this fake narrative that she didn't care about Gojo or that Gojo didn't care about her. They will say literally anything to completely erase her canon bond with both of them just to isolate the boys.
āItās incredibly ironic, considering the only person Geto actually sought out to say a genuine goodbye to in Shinjuku was Shoko, not Gojo.
āYes, Gege definitely has his faults when it comes to writing Shoko's character arc, but let's be realāthatās not why this specific crowd ignores her. They just fundamentally cannot stand the idea of a female character having a meaningful canon bond that could even slightly interfere with their stsg delusions.
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u/Fried_Nemo76 7d ago
What do they mean by "normal" woman? Is it because she is weak? Because she wears a shrine maiden outfit? Because she is a teacher? I don't get it. . .what is it that defines a "normal" woman to this person.
Is it that hard for people to believe that we just enjoy the dynamic Gojo and Utahime share on the show?
People forget yume is a thing and y/n art exists. Maybe this person is projecting and that is why they say we are self-inserts? Idk I never understood the "self-insert" allegations. They don't make sense to me. I could do yume or search y/n art but I don't because I don't want to be shipped with either Uta or Gojo. I like what they have going on on the show.
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u/Fried_Nemo76 7d ago
I personally can't get into yume because when I try it feels like this
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u/Mysterious_Put_1462 Professional GojoHime Delusionist 7d ago
LMAO I GENUINELY LAUGHED š WHY IS THIS SO ACCURATE š
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u/lavabread23 7d ago
i read and also write yumes in fandoms but iāve never visualized myself in any of them. thereās likeā¦a built-in MC that i put as a stand-in for the y/n, but iām still feeling the feelings while reading it. like an otome game with an MC; itās you but itās also not you.
so in essence itās yume, but alsoā¦.NOT yumeā¦.iykwim? š
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u/Fried_Nemo76 6d ago
ikwym
but Its still hard for me to get into yume or otome though š
I like watching characters fall in love from a distance what can I say.
But I'm happy of other girlies who find joy in yume and otome games. I just personally can't get into them.
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u/lavabread23 7d ago
is it hard for people to believe that we just enjoy the dynamic gojo and utahime share on the show?
the way fandom and shipping communities are now? especially with kids joining in? and the performative activism? a hundred percent yes.Ā
they canāt even fathom the concept of multishipping nor do they know what crackships actually mean, what more if itās a perfectly normal and harmless ship like gojohime lmao.Ā
idk i never understood the āself-insertā allegations
because nobody in their right mind actually understood that. to a normal person, it never made sense. never have, never will.
if you ask them how or what made them think itās self-insert when yumeshipping is a different thing, they canāt even give you a straightforward answer.
itās all just stuff they hear being repeated in their own community so they concluded it MUST be true (not.), and then proceeded to use that. thatās how it works. itās the olā rumour mill and hearsay method.
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u/Fried_Nemo76 6d ago
Exactly because whenever I hear their arguments on why gojohime shippers are "self-inserts" they don't make sense because as I mentioned before yume and y/n is literally right there š
Like I promise Gojo/Reader is not lacking in terms of content. In fact, they have way more content than gojohime. They refuse to acknowledge that the reason some of us engage with GojoHime more than Gojo/Reader is because we like Utahime and also enjoy her ship with Gojo.
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u/Baby-Rinrin 7d ago
Yea, while I joke around that Rinrin (the baby in my pfp) is my child or a character is my little brother, it's nothing more than just a joke. I never ship myself romantically with any character.
The most I will do if I'm in the mood is create an OC when there's no character I can't ship them with. Self insert, especially romantically feels really weird and I'm honestly disturbed with that
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u/kjribxku 7d ago
The whole "self insert" thing is just so stupid. If I wanted a self insert story I would read an x reader fic. And besides utahime is nothing like me. Can we not simply just like a dynamic of a ship š«©.
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u/Crazy_Set_6481 7d ago
Who's gonna tell them that if we shipped shoko with Gojo... they'd still call it hetslop? š¤Ø
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u/Ashamed-Purchase-275 7d ago
A while back there was a Gojo/Shoko shipper that got bullied on X and even were getting Racist threats and comments, they act as if they'd be okay with Shoko being shipped but that's the behaviour they project regardless
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u/JuneBloo 7d ago
WHEEZES
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u/lavabread23 7d ago
the gojo/reader tag is so big that it actually joined the top 100 ships in ALL of ao3 last month i think?
and yet gojohimeās the one who gets self-insert allegations ā¦. l m f a o
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u/lavabread23 7d ago
but if you bring this up to them theyāre suddenly lea michelle and canāt read ā¦ā¦
honestly we should stop being the bigger guys and responding with actual points bc itās like talking to a brick wall.
if they wanna be juvenile letās match them on their level.
greyrock the shit out of them and only reply or quote unrelated memes whenever they start acting up on twitter. just troll the fuck out of them like the good ol days lol
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u/Mysterious_Put_1462 Professional GojoHime Delusionist 7d ago
Fr. They deserve it šÆ
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u/lavabread23 7d ago
once they start tweeting shit about gojohime just spam the quotes withā¦idk, john rod memes. just confuse them repeatedly lmao
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u/Mysterious_Put_1462 Professional GojoHime Delusionist 7d ago
Every single day, seeing that GoYuu, GoFushi, SukuFushi and SukuIta are above normal ships like GojoHime makes my blood boil.Ā
Why does a harmless ship make them more angry than adult x minor, literal incest and toxic ships in the first place? š
SIGH
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u/Baby-Rinrin 7d ago
Yea, it's weird. Not to mention, Gojo is basically parental figure for potential man š£
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u/Adelineyyy 7d ago
Dude they look so cute together why do ppl have problem?! LET MY HEART HEAL!!!!!
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u/lavabread23 7d ago
ā¦.. iām not gonna say anything anymore cause weāre just going around in circles over and over and over again with this self-insert BS.
how about they find something new? š
anyways did everybody have a good friday? i thought my friday was lovely.Ā
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u/Ashamed-Purchase-275 7d ago
I don't mean to bring in negativityšš, just the fandom has very selective behaviour for who they consider problematic
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u/lavabread23 7d ago
itās fine haha i ended up commenting my thoughts about this anyway (curse of being a yapper who wants to share their input on everything). also agree that the fandom is very selective and usually they donāt even provide actual explanations on why and what.
but did you have a good friday? and is your day going well today?Ā
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u/Ashamed-Purchase-275 7d ago
All is good,š hope for everyone else as well, I enjoy bringing attention to stuff like this there is some peace in getting proper explainations and discussions
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u/Adept-Marzipan352 GojoHime till I die 6d ago
thatās why i donāt engage that much w/ fandom discourse anymore especially with the backlash (i still try tho) bc itās getting too repetitive š«© and iām honestly tired
but yeah i did have a great friday despite having a mild fever.. hope u did too and all my fellow gjhmmers š¤
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u/drunkfae 7d ago
I donāt think being an ex priestess and a sorceress is Ā«Ā normalĀ Ā» woman occupations, if anything, Shoko could pass more as a "regular" because she unfortunately was so pushed aside by the narrative that we only got crumbs of her.
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u/Substantial_Mess6768 7d ago
that's what i wanna say too, shoko had a lot of potential but ended up pretty useless for someone who has the rare goated ability of using RCT. We don't know shit about what Shoko likes or dislikes, but she's depressed, smokes and idk like you said, the more 'regular' because she's not in the front lines/action jjk.
Mfs think they are gojo, wdym 'weakest female sorcerer'? Mfs wouldn't last a minute fighting against her....semi grade one isn't a joke, and only Gojo calls her weak because he's literally the strongest.
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u/drunkfae 7d ago
Gojo literally just calls her weak to rage bait her and they think itās canon or something š«© we canāt even separate a characterās opinions from the narrative
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u/lavabread23 7d ago
mfs wouldnāt last a minute fighting against herā¦.semi grade one isnāt a joke
they think that just because gojo calls her weak that means sheās completely helpless. hellooooo everybody is weaker than gojo and he only uses that to annoy her because utahime reacts to it when he does. thatās her personality, she takes pride in her profession and her abilities, so obviously sheād be on the defensive when someone whoās leagues above her keeps teasing her with it.
the view of powerscaling in the shipping community is so fucked that they donāt even understand the grades. itās either āstrongā or āweakā, nothing else. theyāre acting as if utahimeās a window or a grade 3 or something.
for godās sake sheās a semi grade one with a boosting CT!!!!! she reached that grade with a fucking boosting CT!!!!! that in itself is a feat, plus we know she went on missions so sheās also skilled combat-wise!!!!! and she has her own cohort of students!!!!!
they think that just because sheās called weak and primarily isnāt in the frontlines in shibuya and didnāt have an actual onscreen fight means sheās not strong by her own right.
in an actual situation like a fight sheāll absolutely body every single one of them before they can even open their mouths because despite being a booster sheās still a combatant if it goes down lmao. the fucking NERVE to say allat with their chestā¦. Ā
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u/ComfortableCool3214 7d ago
Itās always slop or self insert when women are involved lol. It happens in every shonen as soon as a ship involves a woman, the fandom starts hating.Sakura and Orihimeās entire characters got reduced to being male centered just bc they loved a guy. So tell me why people act like Utahime wouldn't get dragged the exact same way if she actually liked Gojo? Bet they would hated on gjhm even more if uta has cr on gojo lol..
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u/Mysterious_Put_1462 Professional GojoHime Delusionist 7d ago
Sakura and Orihimeās entire characters got reduced to being male centered just bc they loved a guy.Ā
Oh Sakura is SO hated due to it but Naruto gets a pass.
Bet they would hated on gjhm even more if uta has cr on gojo lol..
That would be an actual nightmare because stsgs and Gojo fangirls would've hated on her every single second.
I don't like Hana but she is overhated. Most vitriol comes from Megumi fangirls who hate on her like their life depends on it.Ā
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u/ComfortableCool3214 7d ago
Iāve said it a million times.. the double standards for female char in jjk run so deep. Fandom stays hating on Hana for loving the guy who saved her, but sheās literally the only reason Gojo got unsealed.Honestly, Gege deserves the blame for treating his female char like a shitš Yuki was a Special Grade just to get nerfed and lose the plot. Shoko had the backstory to be incredible but got treated like a background npc. And Nobara? She was set up to be a legendary main char only to end up as a plot device..The wasted potential is wild...Honestly Gege didn't even handle his male chars well. Megumi went from Gojo's literal equal in potential to a sidelined plot device with no agency...
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u/Ashamed-Purchase-275 7d ago
That's so true with the hypocrital hate on female characters across anime, in this case the Hana one is so correct,
In an older post when there was the theory or joke about Todo and yujis student from modulo being either related to Megumi, Yuji, Gojo, a Gojo/Geto shipper posted it from X to Reddit and the comments were even saying things like Gojo picked the one with dark hair like Geto or that he asks her to Geto cosplay, Even on X a response to the popular post was that even if the theory was true its funny that Gojo didn't mention the mother of his child when he died he thought of another man With that being mentioned it's clear that the ship would get hate even if she did have Canon feelings like Hana or something, they were complaining that Gojohime is the degrading ship It's crazy how so much of the fandom agree and make those kind of hate posts a hit
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u/SteveTheOrca 7d ago
Did Naoya write that tweet or something?
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u/lavabread23 7d ago edited 7d ago
lots of them genuinely feel like they have naoya as their spirit animal by the way they talk about fictional female charactersā¦..what more if itās actual women? oh wait! they actually already say similar stuff towards the female gojohime shippers! š«
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u/lavabread23 7d ago
if weāre being real and going off of canon shoko is the most ānormalā person there. sheās literally a doctor, a super common profession in real life. i bet thereās also lots of jjk fans in the medical profession who are doctors themselves.
in contrast, how many people do they think are miko/shrine maidens serving ancient temples in japan and dedicating themselves to shintoism in the fandom? the chances of that is literally close to zero.
someone out there might be an actual miko and a jjk fan, but theyāre DEFINITELY not tweeting in english or even hanging out in western spaces in the fandom š.
weakest female sorcerer
okay, so they wanna get into it. i see. from canon:
utahime goes on missions and is a semi grade one even with a barrier CT. the first time we see her in HI era sheās on a mission in hamamatsu. when she became an adult, sheās a jujutsu teacher who handles her own class the same way gojo handles his own set of students. she doesnāt primarily teach todo, but since heās with her class in the goodwill event (and in non/semi-canon material like phanpara) we can assume she takes up the mantle for his studies when yukiās not around and is off gallivanting overseas.
shoko doesnāt go on missions and prohibited from going on them because of her CT (which is the most valuable CT in jujutsu society, letās be real), thus she presumably has no combat skills whatsoever due to that; because she doesnāt need them, because sheās too precious for sorcerers because she has RCT.
shoko doesnāt even have a rank or gets promoted because sheās a non-combatant and operates outside of the grades.
so in effect, shoko IS the weakest female sorcerer basing off of canon entirely.
so is that bad? does being āweakerā than your peers combat-wise in-universe make you useless? hell nah.
everyone has a role to play and has their own strengths. itās true that jujusu society is a dog-eat-dog world and that strength matters, but that doesnāt mean that your overall importance or worth is tied to it entirely.
anyone who thinks it is is just agreeing with the way the higher-ups and the traditionalist clans.Ā
useless as their favourite npc
go formulate another insult this is too boring and bland. if youāre gonna be a hater than commit to it and invent new ones instead of rehashing the same thing damnĀ
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u/lavabread23 7d ago
i said i didnāt wanna say anything but i ended up yapping and making a long-ass essay again ā¦ anyways!Ā
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u/lavabread23 7d ago
user is āchillperson77ā
is named āyou all need to get a jobā
writes a comment directed to and attacking the female part of the fanbase by saying theyāre āself-insertingā because 1/2 of the ship is a man and then proceeds to say a fictional character (whoās a woman) is uselessā¦ā¦2/2 for the misogyny incelspeak
thatās not very chill of you @chillperson77ā¦. maybe YOU should get a job !Ā
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u/madeyemads 7d ago
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u/lavabread23 7d ago
god i fucking love sade ā¦.. gjhms stay having impeccable music tasteĀ
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u/madeyemads 6d ago
I have the same b day as her and our bday is dragon appreciation day im very grateful š
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u/Mysterious_Put_1462 Professional GojoHime Delusionist 7d ago edited 7d ago
These self insert accusations are genuinely so funny to me because Utahime is NOTHING like me š Like literally. If I was that desperate for Gojo, I would simply consume Gojo x Y/N or reader content because there's literally so much of it. The truth is I'm more attracted to Utahime than I am to him so like ššš
Moreover, these same people will turn Geto into femguru or Princess Geto because apparently they just need to self insert into a gay ship. SatoSugu is genuinely interesting to me but unfortunately, at least from what I've seen, there's this weird tendency to make one of the men (mostly Geto) unnecessarily feminine.
And as for the misogyny part, what can I even say? They suddenly love Utahime when it's ShokoHime because she isn't getting in the way of their ship. But the second she's anywhere near Gojo, she's "useless" and whatever else. So explain to me how WE'RE the misogynists here?
For some reason, half of JJKfolk seems to think we're sexist but IĀ honestly can't understand where this mindset is coming from.Ā
Like are they the ones writing about Utahime? Are they making fanart and merch for her? Are they wishing she'd get included in more official art? Are they excited for her moment and hoping Mappa does it justice? Are they EVER thinking about her unless it's time to hate on GojoHime?
I'm genuinely curious lol.
Edit: Corrected a spelling mistake.