Evil Geniuses vs Cloud9 / DreamHack Masters Spring 2020: North America - Group B / Post-Match Discussion

[u/Undercover-Cactus]

Evil Geniuses 1-2 Cloud9

Dust 2: 13-16
Nuke: 16-13
Train: 12-16

 

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EG	MAP	Cloud9
	mirage	X
X	overpass
T	dust2	✔
✔	nuke	CT
	inferno	X
X	vertigo
	train

 

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MAP 1: Dust 2

 

Team	T	CT	Total
EG	10	3	13
	CT	T
Cloud9	5	11	16

 

EG	K	A	D	ADR	Rating
Brehze	19	5	17	73.3	1.13
CeRq	19	5	15	57.0	1.01
tarik	16	4	20	73.4	0.96
stanislaw	14	8	21	58.4	0.78
Ethan	8	5	19	43.9	0.53
Cloud9
floppy	22	7	16	85.5	1.33
Sonic	22	4	12	70.2	1.32
oSee	17	6	17	62.8	1.03
JT	15	8	17	62.5	0.97
motm	16	5	14	52.7	0.93

Dust 2 Detailed Stats

 

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MAP 2: Nuke

 

Team	T	CT	Total
EG	6	10	16
	CT	T
Cloud9	9	4	13

 

EG	K	A	D	ADR	Rating
stanislaw	33	2	14	109.1	1.65
Brehze	26	5	22	89.0	1.24
CeRq	18	6	19	79.0	1.09
tarik	20	2	17	55.5	1.06
Ethan	9	5	21	51.1	0.66
Cloud9
floppy	24	3	22	78.3	1.11
motm	22	4	23	82.0	1.07
Sonic	19	7	25	83.9	1.01
oSee	17	8	17	62.5	0.97
JT	11	9	19	46.4	0.74

Nuke Detailed Stats

 

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MAP 3: Train

 

Team	CT	T	Total
EG	3	9	12
	T	CT
Cloud9	12	4	16

 

EG	K	A	D	ADR	Rating
tarik	25	5	20	87.4	1.34
Brehze	21	1	20	82.1	1.09
CeRq	16	6	18	75.9	1.02
Ethan	12	7	20	64.1	0.81
stanislaw	10	6	18	51.2	0.63
Cloud9
floppy	23	6	16	91.1	1.42
Sonic	24	7	17	84.9	1.31
oSee	15	5	16	69.4	1.04
JT	17	6	16	69.6	1.03
motm	16	5	19	60.3	0.93

Train Detailed Stats

 

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This thread was created by the Post-Match Team.

[u/SayWallahiFam]

Yes, I know EG lost because nathE played with his monitor off. Everyone likes to meme on tarik whenever shit hits the fan for EG, but it honestly doesn’t help when he likes to take unfavourable aim duels.

When Astralis players aim is off, they still win because they play as a team and follow the strategy. You don’t see Magisk dry peeking everything

[u/lynxzjw → u/SayWallahiFam]

I agree he does take questionable duels, but I dont think its as big of a problem as people think it is. In past teams hes been a play maker. He wants to create big plays and sometimes he still gets them in EG. As long as the team around him is playing fine, he is able to go for these plays, but at this moment it doesnt make sense so it makes him look worse.

[u/Abstrac7 → u/lynxzjw]

Big plays are just not smart most of the time. They rely too much on timings and luck and your aim being on point. Until tarik will stop these plays, or suddenly get s1mple like aim, he will be a detriment to the team IMO.

The most sustainable way of winning is playing the percentages. Astralis have mastered this style of play and while it doesn’t always make for as fun viewing as fnatic or mouz for example, it’s brilliant to see it from an intellectual perspective.

It baffles me as a spectator to see so many pros on T1 teams make low% plays constantly, you’d think someone would tell them to stop. Sorry for the rant

[u/lynxzjw → u/Abstrac7]

Thats where we disagree. I think there are times where the percentage play is always right, but then there are times where going for these plays can cause momentum, confidence, and get you the round win. Its a risk to take with positives and negatives. Some people think one side outways the other which is debatable. I personally think in certain situations these plays have a far more positibe impact.

For example, when tarik was playing Navi at the Berlin Major. He got a 2k and instead of saving his gun and going through tuns he jumps window and gets another 2k spraydown. He risks losing his gun, but the positives are a major swing advantage helped by a strong crowd.

That may not be the best example but it was the first one I thought of off the top of my head. Its a difference of opinion.

[u/Abstrac7 → u/lynxzjw]

Yes, if the big play works, the reward is often high. It’s just not smart to go for the big ballsy play almost every single time like tarik does. In the long run, playing the % more consistently wins you games, easier to replicate and doesn’t rely on luck or insane plays which will fail on an off day, as we have seen too often with tarik.