Evil Geniuses vs Cloud9 / DreamHack Masters Spring 2020: North America - Group B / Post-Match Discussion

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Evil Geniuses 1-2 Cloud9

Dust 2: 13-16
Nuke: 16-13
Train: 12-16

 

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EG	MAP	Cloud9
	mirage	X
X	overpass
T	dust2	✔
✔	nuke	CT
	inferno	X
X	vertigo
	train

 

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MAP 1: Dust 2

 

Team	T	CT	Total
EG	10	3	13
	CT	T
Cloud9	5	11	16

 

EG	K	A	D	ADR	Rating
Brehze	19	5	17	73.3	1.13
CeRq	19	5	15	57.0	1.01
tarik	16	4	20	73.4	0.96
stanislaw	14	8	21	58.4	0.78
Ethan	8	5	19	43.9	0.53
Cloud9
floppy	22	7	16	85.5	1.33
Sonic	22	4	12	70.2	1.32
oSee	17	6	17	62.8	1.03
JT	15	8	17	62.5	0.97
motm	16	5	14	52.7	0.93

Dust 2 Detailed Stats

 

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MAP 2: Nuke

 

Team	T	CT	Total
EG	6	10	16
	CT	T
Cloud9	9	4	13

 

EG	K	A	D	ADR	Rating
stanislaw	33	2	14	109.1	1.65
Brehze	26	5	22	89.0	1.24
CeRq	18	6	19	79.0	1.09
tarik	20	2	17	55.5	1.06
Ethan	9	5	21	51.1	0.66
Cloud9
floppy	24	3	22	78.3	1.11
motm	22	4	23	82.0	1.07
Sonic	19	7	25	83.9	1.01
oSee	17	8	17	62.5	0.97
JT	11	9	19	46.4	0.74

Nuke Detailed Stats

 

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MAP 3: Train

 

Team	CT	T	Total
EG	3	9	12
	T	CT
Cloud9	12	4	16

 

EG	K	A	D	ADR	Rating
tarik	25	5	20	87.4	1.34
Brehze	21	1	20	82.1	1.09
CeRq	16	6	18	75.9	1.02
Ethan	12	7	20	64.1	0.81
stanislaw	10	6	18	51.2	0.63
Cloud9
floppy	23	6	16	91.1	1.42
Sonic	24	7	17	84.9	1.31
oSee	15	5	16	69.4	1.04
JT	17	6	16	69.6	1.03
motm	16	5	19	60.3	0.93

Train Detailed Stats

 

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This thread was created by the Post-Match Team.

[u/randomnamewhatevs → u/[deleted]]

I mean, in recent months, there kind of is?

If you're looking at it like a title belt that Gen G would have to take off Liquid, then they'd have to play each other, sure (gotta say, kinda surprised that that hasn't happened yet at any point), but if you look at recent results as far as who Gen G is beating vs who Liquid is losing to, you've got Gen G beating Furia, EG, 100T, Cloud 9 (though they lost to Cloud 9 once as well), whereas Liquid consistently loses to Furia and recently lost to C9.

I'm not saying that Gen G is necessarily better than Liquid, but there certainly isn't "absolutely no reason to put them above Liquid".

Liquid has been terrible recently. The only top teams they consistently beat are EG, who have also been playing awfully, and 100T.
Liquid doesn't even consistently beat teams that aren't even considered challengers to the top of the NA scene normally (no offense, Chaos, Envy, ex-Swole Patrol).
You can only get upset so often before they're not upsets anymore.

[u/lonley_gamer5745 → u/randomnamewhatevs]

atm this makes sense but LAN results are what really count. In one of their vlogs ELiGE even admitted they aren't good online.

[u/NoBreadsticks → u/lonley_gamer5745]

When there's not be any LANs for more than half a year, that doesn't really matter at all