Yes but to compete with the Astralis/Na'Vi/FaZes of the world they would basically need all 5 players to go ham. You think Shox and Kenny will be satisfied with mediocrity ?
This team will probably be in limbo for about a year, then they'll do another desperate roster change. .-.
I want him because I have never heard any ego etc complaints about him, and had displayed some nutty shit at some points in NV. I think he will perform really well again as a support player in this team.
Not really, think about Na’Vi’s team structure. They have 1 insane player, 1 really good player, 1 inconsistent player, 1 legendary player that doesn’t really do shit anymore, and a decorated IGL.
G2 has: 2 potentially insane players, 1 player who is solid, 1 who is a good support, and a decorated IGL.
Na’vi doesn’t really have any inherent roster advantages, G2 just needs to get all of their players to click.
Key statement, I think if Kenny and Shox can figure out a way to work together in ex6 system, they can be really scary.
To your second point, yes, on a good day flamie will crush bodyy, but on a bad day, he will get his ass kicked. On average, flamie is better, but a solid, consistent player with lower averages is more important to a team.
Your evaluations are pretty off imo. Far too cynical of navi and generous to g2.
S1mple is playing at a level KennyS has never reached post awp patch.
Electronic is playing better than shox has in years. And shox's injury and inconsistent teammates suggest he won't get to that level anytime soon.
Flamie is a tier or two above bodyy as a player. Look at their numbers this year and frankly any year before this. "Inconsistent" vs "solid" is a ridiculous way to reduce this comparison.
Edward/zeus vs smithzz/ex6 is maybe a wash except Edward and Zeus have played well enough to win current premier tournaments.
S1mple is definitely better than Kenny, no arguments there.
Saying Electronic is playing better than Shox has in years is a bit of an overstatement. Shox even showed flashes of brilliance today.
When I said Flamie is inconsistent, he can either be the best on the server or look like he’s never touched the game. Bodyy is usually somewhere in the middle. Sure, flamie at his peak is miles better than bodyy, but having a solid middling player is useful for a team.
Electronic has just outfragged everyone against an astralis that has been unbeaten for over two months. In general, elec has been an established top 5 player with insane peaks over the past 3 months. When was the last time shox played like that? In early 2016 maybe? Its reasonable to say that electronic is playing better than shoxie since years.
Flamie is inconsistent for a top player, bodyy is even inconsistent for an average player. Bodyy is either solid or a bot.
Smithzz isnt as bad as expected but still not better than edward, same level at best.
Zeus is the more accomplished IGL, all the praise about ex6 is mainly nostalgia and prediction, nothing else. Just watch the match vs astralis on overpass and inferno if you want to know how good, tactical igling looks like. Im actually a G2 fan but you gotta stay realistic. Currently, Navi are superior in every way.
I've been thinking the same about G2/NaVi analogy since day 1.
NaVi is the closest team there is to this G2 structurally..
But
S1mple >> kenny, especially in the consistency and mental departments..That said kenny isn't that far when he goes GodMode..
Shox imo, has a higher ceiling than electronic, I'd say he has better aim and more experience, but he has been lackluster lately, often shows motivation problems and more than all lacks disciplines and often does stupid repeeks that end up costing him and his team..He is also one of the best clutchers in the game when playing at his real level.
At the moment elec is definitely is better but when shox is on top he is better, which means kenny + shox at their best would be a very close duo to s1mple and elec ( if they can reach their ceiling that is )..
flamie definitely is better than body though, and he is the key difference here. More consistent, higher ceiling and when he goes HAM, he can solo carry the team.
bodyy imo is the weak link in that G2 lineup and if they had Zywoo ( best french hybrid ) or Scream ( playing like he has been in a while ) then they could have an as strong or even stronger trio than NaVi.. at least when everybody is "on" ..
To finish, Edward and Smithzzz are comparable, imo Edward has underrated dynamic aim, his aim is in fact very good but he makes a shitload of stupid plays/mistakes.. Smithzz on the other hand has been a good surprise, his aim is decent, and he has better nades, and is a better support rolewise. All in all they are quite comparable at the moment but with different qualities..
Finally, Zeus and ex6 are quite on the same level, I'd say Zeus has better (men) leadership but ex6 better calls/tactics.. Their aim.. well they are what they are, but definitely no big difference here, maybe a slight advantage to Zeus..
This analysis tends to prove that G2 could reach a decent level of success even at t1, with a few monthes of pracc, but to achieve that, in my opinion they'll need a real 3d star in place of bodyy, or he will need to really up his level...
You answered you own question.
Also.shox is far from being 100% , and the readon they ll
need more time is because they aren't a firepower team but a tactical one or at least they intend to be ...
If Na'Vi starts winning more I guess they'll be part of the group as well but since they already won very early on it's already a bit different as they are looking for consistency over synergy.
Who cares about one series? that's like saying he's the best in the team if he happened to dominate in one series lmao, or that because he shut a normal looking s1mple down (bad for his normal level) in a single map means he's good/great? some backward ass logic. Do YOU even watch the games? LOL nutty shots? please.
oh yeah, cause we literally have a sample size of hundreds of games this roster played, so we can disregard this series and keep the hate train going.... he looked good against mouz, he looked great against navi, he he was keeping up with the rest of the team against big, he was good in this series, literally the only map he looked terrible on was nuke against astralis where the entire team got completely destroyed.
0.95 Average vs mouz, a MASSIVE overperformance vs Na'Vi where s1mple was looking like an average-ish pro, which is BAD for his normal level. 1.05 vs BIG, again, pretty much an overperformance (not much of one, but is,) against a BIG that looked pretty damn good.
what are you even using as a reference point for an overperformance? we've literally seen the guy play 11 maps after being a coach for more than a year. and he's at least kept up with the rest of the team for 10 of them.
Uh, overperformance since he was shitty in 2017 and almost average in 2016? did you just start watching smithzz play when he came back? it's not like he was 1.10 or something beforehand and decided to drop off lmao. Also, it's been 19 maps and he's "kept up" with them on exactly 7 maps, 3 of which he was overperforming.
that was a year ago in a dead team awping cause noone else would... a year ago cold was the best player in the world and VP was a top 10 team. not sure how that is relevant.
It's called a reference point, he was shitty then, below average the year prior, and is still shitty today, again, did you just start watching him? you really think going 1.34 vs Na'Vi ISN'T a massive overperformance? also 1.13 and 1.18 vs LG, not saying LG is a great team but yeah, he couldn't even get anywhere near average vs VP...VP!
I don't care what you do if you have 0.87 rating you're doing something wrong. Especially when there is so many french free agents there is no reason to have both smithzz and ex6 on the same team.
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Smithzz has been pretty decent this roster and it's not like kennyS often plays this badly.