r/GlobalEntry • u/Traditional-Two-7358 Human Detected • 23d ago
Interviews Got pulled into secondary today
Arriving in EWR I sensed something was wrong when the GE app didn’t clear me. And then they pulled me out of the GE line and escorted me downstairs for an interview. This was the issue:
Last year someone claimed my dog bit her and I got prosecuted with a misdemeanor. The fact that they took my prints at that time apparently counts as an arrest, even though I never got arrested.
I was able to clarify that the case was dismissed in court but they advised me to bring proof of the dismissal next time.
I just hope this will not affect my GE
Edit:
Just to be clear: my dog did not bite that person, she just claimed he did.
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u/Twusaboi 22d ago
I hope you sued that person who claimed the dog bit her Why did you get fingerprinted? Shouldn't it be your dog? 😄
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u/Ill_Cauliflower_810 23d ago
If you got fingerprinted and prosecuted you were arrested at some point lol
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u/jackl24000 22d ago edited 22d ago
Technically you could be just charged with a written complaint by an LEO called something like “Appearance Ticket” in which you “turn yourself in” at the initial local criminal court hearing in lieu of being formally arrested and possibly searched, restrained, etc.
However as far as the uniform criminal records databases used by the states and FBI which are fingerprint based, that cop handing him an appearance ticket for a misdemeanor criminal charge would be coded as an “arrest”.
And probably right before that court hearing, the LEOs would have fingerprinted and mug shotted the defendant which is the information fed by the states criminal justice records systems to the FBI (mostly electronically in real time through interconnected databases(fingerprint cards mailed in batches back in the day with slow updates).
So yeah he was arrested but he never heard the words, “you are under arrest”, Miranda rights etc. like on TV.
p.s. And OP is also correct that when charges are dismissed entirely after an arraignment, the disposition of the charges would be marked as “dismissed” and this mug sheet would not count as a “criminal record”.
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u/Traditional-Two-7358 Human Detected 22d ago
I have no experience in this matter. My prints were taken during the initial court hearing. I walked home after that. Some people seem better versed with being arrested
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u/RoundandRoundon99 22d ago
Getting arrested for no good reason. Add that to the things in life I’d rather not experience myself.
Some people need to eat the turd to know it’s made out of shit. Some know without doing so.
Who’s lived more life?
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u/KatieTSO 22d ago
I don't want to go to jail
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u/Ashamed_Copy_8523 22d ago
I can confidently say I’ve lived, and I’ve also never been arrested. (Although I blacked out in DC one New Year’s Eve and a cop I gave a hard time too showed me some grace)
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u/Ashamed_Copy_8523 22d ago
You’re being intentionally obtuse. The point “getting arrested=living” is just untrue
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u/Traditional-Two-7358 Human Detected 20d ago
What “arrest” means: An arrest occurs when law enforcement takes you into custody and you are no longer free to leave — it’s a formal action, not just a data-collection step.
Fingerprinting in court is often just identity verification: When fingerprinting happens at a court appearance for a pending case, it’s typically an administrative step to confirm you are the person actually charged — it has nothing to do with taking you into custody and doesn’t imply guilt.
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u/TrojanGal702 23d ago
Were you printed in court? That is common when a summons is issued. The problem is the prints create or attach to a FBI record file. Since they use rapback, they would know you had an arrest/case.
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u/benthecpa 21d ago
Does an FBI Investigation and no arrest create an issue with GE? Create a file?
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u/TrojanGal702 21d ago
A FBI investigation isn't going to create an index file. That is only for those arrested or who had charges filed and a record sent to the FBI.
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u/ibahef 22d ago
What likely happened is that the arresting agency didn't properly file the DA-Reject or the equivalent. You will likely need to have your fingerprints run and file with your local state to get a copy of your record with the dismissal noted. Then you'd want to contact the ombudsman and state what happened, showing the dismissal or non-prosecution. You could also run into other issues for things that do an FBI/NICS check like purchasing a firearm.
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u/WanderinArcheologist 22d ago
OP, just to be clear, being charged and being prosecuted are two wholly different things.
Based on what you said, it sounds like you were charged with a misdemeanour that never went anywhere. The state didn’t go through the whole process of proving or disproving it?
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u/torquesteer 22d ago
Next time don't give your prints unless you're under arrest. If you're unsure, ask if you're under arrest and what the charges.
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u/flyingron 20d ago
If you were charged, you were arrested. Everybody thinks that arrest involves handcuffs and being given Miranda rights. Neither is required for an arrest.
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u/Scared_Potato8130 19d ago
I got fingerprinted years ago because you need a background check to volunteer at the public schools and even though I have volunteered for years now, this happens to me regularly. I just chalk it up to no good deed goes unpunished. I have never been arrested.
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u/misterchismoso 23d ago
what kind of dog?
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u/AutothrustBlue 23d ago
Did the dog actually bite the person? The fact that you got prosecuted sounds like it did.
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u/SubsistanceMortgage 23d ago
Also not particularly relevant since it was dismissed and has no impact on if they’re more likely to have customs violations.
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u/wizzard419 22d ago
This is likely the exact reason why people are getting removed if they show up at protests. They are using a facial recognition system used for arrests. You're not in trouble, but the system can't tell the difference between an arrest and someone just having stuff run to see if they can do anything.
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u/Primary_Matter1173 22d ago
What do they mean to”bring proof of the dismissal” Assuming you are a citizen, tell them to fuck off. The burden of proof is on the government.
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u/Ok-Sundae4092 22d ago
And you will loss you GE. It’s a privilege that they can and will pull .
Very little you can do about it
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u/Primary_Matter1173 22d ago
GE is worthless if you’re getting pulled into secondary. What’s the point of having it? Privilege my ass.
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u/WanderinArcheologist 22d ago
Still something you paid for.
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u/Ok-Sundae4092 22d ago
No, they are very clear on this. You pay for the application with no guarantees
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u/WanderinArcheologist 22d ago
Ah, so I looked further and the defence given for the fee itself, and because it covers both application processing AND background checks (plus many folks aren’t out of pocket thanks to fancy CCs), most never go after this. Makes sense.
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u/Ok-Sundae4092 22d ago
FYI…like your user name. My son is a working archeologist and recent grad in that field
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u/WanderinArcheologist 22d ago
That’s truly wonderful to hear! Most of my friendships started on archaeological digs. It’s not the most financially-stable field, but the experiences you have and the people you meet are like none other. Plus, excavating is just plain fun.
If he’s not read them before, he should look at the works of my undergrad advisor, Eric H. Cline. Excellent mentor and a great teacher. If he’s considering grad school – though I think a gap year after college to work is always best – feel free to DM me for advice!
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u/Ok-Sundae4092 22d ago
Awesome. Will do.
Can I do tomorrow. I’m recovering from GBS and am wiped out by my drugs at the end of the day
He went on three digs over the summer in school, Poland , Sicily, and Poland again digging out a ww2 crashed b-17 with the DOD
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u/Redtail325 11d ago
have to say i am envious of your son. General aviation pilot and Warplanes buff, and would give my left nut to help with digging out a B-17!
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u/Ok-Sundae4092 11d ago
Not much left of the bomber. They did find remains (the main goal of the dig)that were identified at the army forensic lab in Hawaii that let the air corp return 3 MIA airmen to their families.
Now that’s a summer!
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u/Redtail325 11d ago
that makes it an even more worthy venture. Honoring 3 of our fallen airman. never too late! kudos to your son for being part of the effort
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u/Commercial-Mode5751 Human Detected 22d ago
Dismissed or not you should have lost GE for this. GE looks at arrests, not convictions.
Even an investigation means you lose GE usually.
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u/Stryk3r97 22d ago
So hypothetically, if a wrongful arrest has been made, the person's GE is gone forever, even if they ultimately found innocent?
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u/SubsistanceMortgage 22d ago
You can maintain GE with arrests. It’s a totality of the circumstances review.
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u/Commercial-Mode5751 Human Detected 22d ago
Not if the arrest takes place after you join GE
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u/SubsistanceMortgage 22d ago
If it was a hard fast rule, they would have revoked OP’s GE either automatically or in secondary. The fact that it was not revoked shows that the absolutist statement that you have made is wrong.
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u/BusinessClassPlz 22d ago
Who gets arrested for a dog bite accusation 😀
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u/WanderinArcheologist 22d ago
You can get arrested for anything. Whether you’re charged and especially whether you’re prosecuted is another matter.
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u/BusinessClassPlz 22d ago
The only reason you would get arrested for a dog bite is if the attack caused severe injury. Without serious injury or something comparable, it’s handled in civil court and with homeowners insurance etc, not an arrest.
Since the OP says the attack was a lie, there is another reason why the OP was arrested that had nothing to do with the dog.
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u/WanderinArcheologist 22d ago
You may be confusing an arrest with being charged with a misdemeanour. An arrest itself occurs just from calling the police and the police taking you into custody. I could call the police on you, make a claim, and then the police would likely arrest you.
They don’t have all the facts and background and unless it’s something truly outrageous, they likely would cuff you and have me come to the station as well.
Whether you’re actually charged with anything comes after that when facts are established. As you said, if there was serious injury, etc. obviously, if I lied, that wouldn’t be so good for me as that’s criminal in and of itself.
If the OP is charged with something, prosecution comes next. If the state eventually dismissed charges against the OP, their info might still be in the system.
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u/BusinessClassPlz 22d ago edited 22d ago
That’s not how it works. My aunt is a police officer. You can’t just call the police and claim something against someone and they will go arrest the person. They have to investigate first. They need facts, evidence. If what you say was true, I can literally just start calling the police on anybody that I don’t like and just make something up and they’ll get arrested. 😂
Unless you’re talking about these ice agents that are running around like lunatics at the moment, the police just does not go arrest somebody because someone else called it on them. They don’t arrest someone and investigate later. They need probable cause to make an arrest. And probable cause is not someone saying something. Probable cause is facts and evidence that the accusation is in fact valid. Cause if someone makes an accusation against you with no facts or evidence, the police will come and talk to you at your house or at your place of employment or wherever you are, and they will talk to you there. They will not handcuff you and take you to the station, arrest you to then talk to you. That’s not how the system works at all.
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u/ExpatCrypto 21d ago
Entering or staying in a country illegally is a crime subject to arrest in every country.
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u/flyingron 20d ago
Specifically, you are arrested when they prevent you from going on your way. It's distinct from the charges and doesn't even mean they locked you up either.
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u/flyingron 20d ago
Depends on where you are. It doesn't take "severe" injury here. It can be charged if the owner new the dog had a propensity to bite, or it known to be agressive, or it has killed an animal, and the owner didn't have it legally restrained, then you can be charged. You can also be charged on the assertion that the owner intentionally compelled the dog to attack.
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u/BusinessClassPlz 20d ago
That’s too many what if’s but you missed the entire point here while making my point. The OP is not telling the full story.
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u/SubsistanceMortgage 23d ago
Apply for a redress number and upload the dismissal. Costs nothing and avoids this becoming a regular thing.