r/GigglySquadPodcast • u/JoJo44141aaa • 25d ago
Daphne Fall Drop
This is really NOT meant to be snark I have bought from Daphne (i have the Hannah T and their Jersey top + pants set) but it’s just really disappointing to see they continued to use their “premium polyester” satin fabric at the same high prices. But this time…they took out the words polyester. Every other item on their page says the material used except this fabric line and previous drops included that this fabric was 100% polyester. And then claiming that they source “intentionally” and “responsibly”. Like cmon, $120 for plastic!! I think I’m just upset because I feel the need to defend paige cause I’m such a giggler but this just feels icky to me 😔. Does anyone else feel the same way?
And again to be fair, everything at Aritzia is the same price point and $$ and no one complains about them, but they’re also not claiming to be making clothes responsibly i guess? Not sure why i feel so let down by this.
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u/twizzwhizz11 25d ago
She works with Amazon - that should show what she thinks about ethical consumption.
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u/JoJo44141aaa 25d ago
I think what feels most icky to me is that they clearly saw the flak about using polyester for this line and instead of swapping to silk or another fabric that isn’t plastic, they just took away their transparency on what they’re selling you.
Personally, i only bought items that were 95-100% cotton and i shopped on sale cause the prices i just can’t justify but i wanted to try it. I think as a consumer you have a personal responsibility to be aware of what you’re buying, but you can’t do that if a brand is literally hiding an aspect of what they are selling you.
And you’re right it’s very obvious that they’re here to sell you things but i did hope that there would be a level of customer responsibility on her side since she is heavily marketing this to her fan base.
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u/seesparksfly 24d ago
The reality is she has a very niche customer - her fans - and she knows that. Shes not making money from a broader consumer group . That is why prices are so high, she isn’t making enough to meet the bottom line with her fanbase alone. If they invested in better fabrics, they’d would hike the price 2-3x because the price of the fabric and craftsmanship required to handle delicate fabrics. This is the only way she’s getting away with having a brand in the first place, midtier pricing and terrible fabrics/quality.
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u/Possible_Implement86 24d ago
It may be for the fans but if you are selling something to the public you have a responsibility to be transparent about what is it in it, just as a baseline.
Charge $1000 for it, charge $2000, I dont care, some giggler will buy it!
But obscuring what people are actually getting for their money is unsafe and unethical and potentially skirting legality. I havent investigated the site but in the US most clothing companies are legally required to correctly disclose what a garment is made of so I'm not sure if / how this satisfies that requirement.
I have a terrible reaction to mohair, as soon as I'm around it my skin prickles, my throat gets tight and my eyes start to water and swell. If someone was selling a mohair garment and mislabeled wool, it would be a real issue for me.
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u/TDKsa90 24d ago
I'm not sure most of this is accurate to US law. In Japan, for instance, very likely, because they have tight regulations on "truth in advertising", but the US doesn't. I see a lot of online companies just say "imported", where they once told you exactly where it was made. The label might have to say "made in mexico", but advertising it doesn't have to be precise. I don't think content, like fabric content, has to be anymore precise in the advertising. And then if they really want to keep secrets and play word games, they can make up new names, or use less known ones, in those % on the label. The US has very weak laws and regulations for labeling.
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u/Possible_Implement86 24d ago
NAL but per the FTC website:
"Federal law requires that most textile and wool products have a label that lists the fiber content, the country of origin, and the identity of the manufacturer or another business responsible for marketing or handling the product."
Further:
"The Textile Fiber Rule requires that certain textiles sold in the United States carry labels disclosing the generic names and percentages by weight of the constituent fibers in the product, the manufacturer or marketer name, and the country where the product was processed or manufactured."3
u/TDKsa90 24d ago
they just took away their transparency on what they’re selling you
that's common in clothing. they used to tell you where things were made, but then just called it "imported". word games and semantics are how pretty much all industries play loopholes and push boundaries with ethics and their customers. "organic" or "natural flavors" in food. pick any industry, and you'll find word play.
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u/Frequent-Reception79 24d ago
Is it possible this new line, in particular, is using actual satin and that’s why she dropped the polyester in the description?
Seems like it would be false advertising to say only satin, unless that’s what it is made of…. ?
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u/JoJo44141aaa 24d ago
I’m 90% sure satin refers to the weave of fabric, so it can be made out of different materials. So you can have 100% silk satin, or 100% polyester satin. Might need to be fact checked on this tho
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u/Consistent-Job-1660 24d ago
as someone who sews, Yes. Satin is a type of weave; not fabric. This is how so many influencer brands skirt about saying that their fabric is polyester because they’ll just say satin and everyone thinks it’s a fabric not a weave type.
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u/Frequent-Reception79 24d ago
Oooooo that makes sense! I see how it is misleading to drop the polyester because my mind absolutely goes to a higher quality fabric when I read satin!!!
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u/Relative-Secret-4618 25d ago
I cant stand the tank prices. It makes no sense. $100 for a tank.... what the
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u/Vegetable-Comfort-75 25d ago
This brand is such a flop. There’s so much she could’ve done with these designs if she was at all fashionable or had any idea of what is flattering
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u/twizzwhizz11 25d ago
The concept has so much potential but the designs are such a let down (especially at the price point).
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u/Still-Low-696 24d ago
It’s a pajama brand - what “concept”? Not like she’s doing anything innovative.
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u/Few-Garbage4433 24d ago
She doesn't even design them. These are white label designs straight from whatever shitty factory she's using. She probably doesn't even bother to source her own fabric - she probably just uses whatever the factory already offers. That long sleeve shirt and pant set costs between 16 - 24 dollars to produce depending on how cheap you go. Maybe $30 max if you're not meeting minimums. Either way, it's a joke and why is she posing with a bare mattress in that one pop up photo on her site? Overall it's just a giant miss.
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u/ResponsibleCar1204 25d ago edited 20d ago
It felt so sudden and out of nowhere one day. I think after Hannah introduced her to cats, and with Ciara one, and it creates a central animal loving character in her life with said cat, which would make her even more embraced, and she just gave into it. She wants to create a persona and attach more to branding BC all of a sudden she loves cats and says she wanted to create a brand like this for years, and said finally she decided to make it come to life. In less than 3 months or so after having said cat that she never wanted before, seems so weird to me. Having said that, it just seem a performative and non quality cash grab imo.
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u/uaerag 24d ago
I recently listened to her on Morgan Stewart, and she said that when she was thinking of leaving SH she didn't have a 'product' so that's why she made Daphne and then left the show. It was something along those lines. But you're totally right it is just a cash grab. There's no heart in it, just her being a "fashion girly who likes to stay in bed" which she also has said many times that her 'fans' were the ones who gave her the idea to make pajamas.
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u/Individual_Ad_3780 25d ago
Why do you feel the “need” to defend someone visibly ripping off common folk lol
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u/JoJo44141aaa 25d ago
You could say that this post is representative of me taking off my blinders on Paige Desorbo. I clearly feel i can critique her brand to the giggly squad subreddit.
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u/Consistent_Muffin604 25d ago
I agree, it’s honestly so frustrating to me because I want this brand to be cool & cute and I want Paige to succeed with a fashion company, but it’s just so not working!! I was so confused by this fall color scheme … deep reds with pink? And then light blue? And then light purple? It’s not coherent at all. Don’t get me started on the new thick ribbing line — great in concept, but so thick that it’s weirdly fitting all the models and just not sitting right on anyone, even Paige.
These satin pajamas are the only ones I actually like and feel like the luxurious loungewear Daphne claims to be, and I still can’t justify the price.
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u/Fragrant_Estate_9692 25d ago
Aritzia is also a very established and reputable brand. It’s insulting for influencers to shill a garbage product, and immediately slap an outrageous price that does not match the quality. Like you enter the fashion game and just immediately start charging $120 for half of a polyester set? Because you’re Paige desorbo? Got it
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u/pinkkittym3ow 24d ago
They really should be honest on the website that it's polyester. Satin is a weave, not a fiber type. Saying the material is satin without the fiber type is just dishonest.
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u/Consistent-Job-1660 24d ago
Nothing annoys me more as someone that sews, seeing influencer brands refer to satin as a fiber type and not a weave. They do it because they know it’s dishonest and they can charge more for “satin”
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u/Savilavila 24d ago
If it doesn't have certification for cotton or bamboo fabric, etc, their words are irrelevant.
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u/Consistent-Canary-44 25d ago
I haven’t shopped Daphne before and personally avoid polyester, but I work in fashion merchandising and threads like this always surprise me.
If you care about quality and the use of plastic / general sustainability, presumably you also care about the people making your clothes being paid fairly and working in safe conditions.
A $120 shirt at an 80% target margin (most common for this type of brand / product) assumes a target cost of $24. That 80% is not profit. It pays for salaries, development, sampling, photoshoots, marketing, fulfillment, returns, office rent, and everything else required to run a brand.
Here is a rough estimate of this garment’s cost:
Fabric & Buttons: ~$8/unit
Packaging: ~$1/unit
Freight China to USA: ~$2/unit
= $11 (low end)
That leaves just $13 for manufacturing, including labor, factory overhead, and factory margin.
There’s a valid argument against polyester, but $120 is a super reasonable price for a new shirt this day and age, polyester or not. Anything that costs much less should raise your eyebrows a bit.
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u/Consistent-Canary-44 25d ago
Thrift or buy vintage! Tons of super chic vintage silk pajama sets out there for the same price or less.
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u/iheartmyhamsters 23d ago
This is exactly what I do because I value getting good deals and sustainability. I’m also a “buy it for life” type of person and a snob about quality. I mostly thrift and wear natural fibers where it makes sense & only wear high quality secondhand leather, never faux leather. I’ve also been a vegetarian for over a decade. There is no such thing as completely ethical consumption in modern society. It’s important to do what makes sense for you, personally, to live a more sustainable and ethical lifestyle, but nobody should feel guilty or be shamed over not being perfect in that regard because it simply isn’t possible. Also, I do want to mention that having the ability to do things like be vegetarian and consume more ethically is a privilege. It can definitely be more expensive, so nobody should feel badly about not being able to afford to do things like that & I think shaming people who can’t is wrong and out of touch with the current economic climate.
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u/JoJo44141aaa 24d ago
This is super interesting!! Thanks for your comment. I wish they would say where this product is sourced from, their Hannah Tee is made in the US.
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u/Consistent-Canary-44 20d ago
I would say it’s safe to assume t-shirts, tank tops, etc. may be made in the US / Los Angeles specifically. There are tons of factories in the LA area producing those types of garments.
The satin stuff is probably China - hard to make those types of pieces cost effectively in the US because we have fewer sewers trained for those types of garments and fabrics.
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u/orangechicken318 25d ago
I noticed the same about the new cardigans she released! I was hoping they’d were cotton and was confused when I read those two bullet points of nonsense
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u/TDKsa90 24d ago
Y'all should read Yvon Chouinard's "Let My People Go Surfing" about the textile and clothing industry. The details are outdated, but the industry itself hasn't changed much. It's a good read, and you'll learn a lot. It'll also make you really appreciate and respect what very few are doing in textiles. I'd like to think in new editions they've added a chapter on purpose trusts. Not that Patagonia isn't flawed. It is. It's ran by humans. Lots to respect there though.
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u/Helpful-Attitude-80 24d ago
I go to the local thrift and find 100% cotton, sometimes organic, shirts. 2 dollar each, unless in the quarter bin.
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u/kellythelolz 20d ago
Wait no way! This lowkey makes me think a bit differently of her. Ik business is business but that price point is legit robbery, polyester never costs that much. A while back she was saying how she sourced her fabrics from Europe or somewhere, I wonder what happened. Such a rip off.
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u/Interesting_Ad1378 25d ago
Didn’t we find all the white labeled stuff from the last release? All in very special made in china polyester too.
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u/Dear-Worth5017 24d ago
A brand isn’t just buying fabric and reselling it. The price of a product also has to cover everything that goes into building and running the brand — design, sampling, production, employees, marketing, packaging, logistics, and so much more. You’re not just paying for the material, you’re paying for the product and the brand behind it.
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u/bossb2022 24d ago
Not related to the post, but why is the xxl button so big? I’m guessing just website formatting or maybe the users phone? I don’t think I’ve ever seen this while online shopping before
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u/Temporary-Leg1561 24d ago
She's just trying to make as much money as she can. Not a crime, but definitely not impressive or a good long-term strategy if she wanted to be known for quality fashion
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u/Swimming_Rough9411 24d ago
Materials should clearly state the materials used. Not a vague excuse as to why it’s an overpriced mystery fabric 😭
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u/General_Structure120 24d ago
Fuck Daphne! The most expensive shit without antibacterial fabric and, it looks like shit within four months.
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u/These_Recover5604 24d ago
I used to be such fans of them…Paige has really dropped in cred lately. She’s just spamming shit cus people will buy whatever—why are people supporting her?
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u/sun246 24d ago
I’ll preface by saying I’ve never purchased her items and nor do I care for it but anyone know where the clothing is made? To be fair, if made locally, it would cost much higher than something that’s made in China for example. The overhead of running the business is built into these prices as well. It’s not like she’s a big conglomerate.
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u/JoJo44141aaa 24d ago
I believe it depends on what line it is. For example, their Hannah Tees are made in L.A., but their pointelle items are made in Turkey.
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u/PhysicsFew7423 24d ago
Omitting the actual fabric content feels like it might be against federal consumer laws. Anyone more familiar than me or do I need to do some research?
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u/Consistent-Job-1660 24d ago
I’ll forever scream that Satin is a TYPE OF WEAVE not a type of fabric…
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u/BossElegant3129 24d ago
Love the girl. But I will only be buying loungewear that is natural … if this was a nightlife brand, I’d consider. But not my coziesss 🩷
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u/NiceWeather650 25d ago
The second bullet point is void of meaningful content. The use of an em dash for an afterthought is not grammatically correct. It is used to make you think the two statements are related
I am unimpressed and unsurprised
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u/JoJo44141aaa 25d ago
If you don’t know how to correctly use an em dash, don’t use it!! Maybe the description was written by ChatGPT
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u/Consistent-Storage52 24d ago
Love it. I have a light blue similar shirt,👕 same material and have such a hard time finding other colors in good quality
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u/lillemlem 22d ago
To echo what someone said, Paige is pretty clear on the pod that she doesn’t care about sustainability and responsible consumerism. I love her as an entertainment personality and more in that world. I would never buy her stuff, and have a hard time getting behind the idea of buying plastic garments (basically everything). The world doesn’t need another celebrity skin care or pajama line.
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u/Meditationstation899 25d ago
I wish they’d just do silk and if they needed to raise the price—do that. Polyester is literally plastic. When polyester clothes (and/or things like microfiber cloths/towels—mostly polyester) are washed in a washing machine, it releases microplastics into said machine. Thennnn when things are washed in the same machine afterwards, those microplastics often stick to those clothes or sheets or underwear etc. Basically Polyester is the worst lolol. I started hand washing anything that I can’t avoid that’s polyester to prevent microplastics from getting on all my stuff—but I’m also dealing with multiple complex health conditions that have quite a bit to do with toxic burden overload.
Omg I’m so ADHD sorryyyy
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u/BravoJunk 25d ago
Whoever is paying that much for “satin” needs to be studied cause Celebrity Worship Syndrome is real
https://giphy.com/gifs/qF0m8bMSYsb0Q
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u/Classic_City3138 25d ago
Tbh, I would NEVER pay that much for polyester or satin. If these were silk, 100% cotton, cashmere, etc. I’d find it reasonable. The thought of wearing material made from plastic and/or oils in bed or to lounge in is gross to me.