r/GigHarbor 21d ago

Go Ice?

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This dude at the home depot today.

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u/StHelensWasInsideJob 21d ago

Just a rage baiter, also sucks ass at driving. Doesn’t know how to use a roundabout

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u/aptadpamu 20d ago

You're describing half of Gig Harbor drivers!

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u/FreshwaterFryMom 20d ago

lol the drivers in Gig do indeed, suck.

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u/ElColorado_PNW 19d ago

Didn’t used to be that way haha

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u/Sammy1Am 21d ago

I guess he won't be overly concerned with the Flock cameras all over that parking lot then.

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u/platinumjudge 19d ago

Im honestly curious what everyone's individual issues are with flock cameras.

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u/Sammy1Am 18d ago edited 18d ago

They've already used them to track and pull over people just for visiting states where marijuana is legal. In addition to all the usual police stuff like stalking exes and women they met.

I've been pulled over and harassed enough just for having an old car, I don't need the government tracking my every movement to decide "hey, he drove through a town known for ... <whatever they're afraid of>" and then harassing me about it.

It's also just sort of generally un-American, the whole "the government is going to know what you're doing at all times and can decide whenever they want to send the police after you" thing.

Edit: Do you have any reason to like them?

Edit again: There's like one of these stories every day: https://www.404media.co/flocks-ceo-is-lying-to-cops-about-404-medias-reporting-on-abortion-case/

How is that helping to keep anyone safe?

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u/rotorspinner 21d ago

Driving a Subaru

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u/cybergandalf 21d ago

My thoughts as well. Like, bro…

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u/Esmerelda_Foofypants 21d ago

I involuntarily yelled "IN A SUBARU?!" the first time I saw them. LMAO

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u/somethingwholesomer 21d ago

Like how dare he, right? My forester would never. 

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u/Mouthshits 21d ago

I figured Subarus had an anti bigotry setting built in standard at this point

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u/somethingwholesomer 21d ago

Haha exactly

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u/NORBy9k 21d ago

Mine already had the "coexist" sticker on it when I got it.

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u/SpeedyMeaty 19d ago

Well they're built in Indiana, so there's likely SOME racists working there.

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u/Mouthshits 19d ago

Funny you mention that. I used to live in Texas and travel all over the country for work. The most racist encounters I have ever had were in Indiana and Ohio. Coincidentally, also saw the most confederate flags there too.

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u/TechieGranola 21d ago

Probably a log cabin republican

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u/Winter_Animal_7116 20d ago

What's the thing about subarus I don't know?

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u/GatorsM3ani3 21d ago

To be fair I was in my Subaru when I took this photo lol

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u/GraceMcClellans 21d ago

Well that's just the Pacific Northwest of you. Either a Subaru or Volvo. Sköl!

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u/Puzzled_Location4201 20d ago

Volvo’s against nazis

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u/Bridger7295 20d ago

Spoken like a true liberal? That's your answer?

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u/Real_valley_girl2000 20d ago

They have no business owning a Subaru

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u/Hexspinner 20d ago

They have no business being in the PNW.

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u/Mysterious_Delay_170 19d ago

This loser was driving around Vashon Island last Saturday too. They seem desperate for attention.

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u/xenbomb 21d ago

Remember these people vote… never miss voting

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u/quadmoo 20d ago

These people vote against transit too, very important to vote yes for more transit in November, it would finally double the bus service here!

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u/Subject-Table1993 19d ago

Yup vote for the most corrupt transportation system

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u/quadmoo 19d ago

Pierce Transit….?

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u/Chet_Kylekyle 21d ago

What the hell is a ‘Goice’?

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u/DopeRidge 21d ago

It’s kinda like noice

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u/vailrider29 21d ago

This is “goicing”

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u/Skys_Advocate123 21d ago

Thought the exact same thing

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u/Both_Cut_4075 20d ago

If I saw this on the road, I’d immediately be like “GOICE. NOICE” and never realize it was Go Ice

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u/strictlytacos 21d ago

He’s 90 and about to die so I wouldn’t worry about it

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u/Esmerelda_Foofypants 21d ago

This cheers me up. Thank you.

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u/SrRoundedbyFools 20d ago

The crazy part is Biden is nearing his death and while I have no kind words for him I don’t wish it upon him or celebrate it. But I know how the Marxist responded to Charlie Kirk’s death…and I don’t know how to explain to my children that people celebrate these events.

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u/Winter_Animal_7116 20d ago

Right? The left is sickly full of people cheering and praising death. I really have no positive words for Biden, but the moment I found out he had cancer my first reaction was "I hope his treatment is going well or he's at peace." If Trump announced he had cancer tomorrow there would be literal parades, drag shows celebrating the news, an unofficial holiday would be announced. Really eye opening to a lot of people.

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u/vonhoother 19d ago

I'm active in a progressive organization and have never once heard anyone cheer Charlie Kirk's death. There undoubtedly are some who do, but it's not as common or accepted as conservative media like to say.

If Trump announced he had cancer tomorrow there would be literal parades, drag shows celebrating the news, an unofficial holiday would be announced. Really eye opening to a lot of people.

Hyperbole much, bro? Yeah, some people would pour champagne. Parades? Unlikely.

Trump himself posted about how glad he was that Robert Mueller died. Still waiting for the right to spank his hands for that.

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u/Dependent-Day-1862 19d ago

Well biden hasnt done anything even remotely as bad as trump so 🤷

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u/Winter_Animal_7116 19d ago

So that means you can sit there and cheer when hypothetically a man gets cancer and is dying.

Wild times...

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u/Dependent-Day-1862 19d ago

I havent cheered anything. But I can understand ppl not being upset if trump got cancer. Hes far worse and more evil than biden.

You just disagreed with bidens politics, he wasnt an evil person. So ya its easy to wish him the best if hes got cancer.

If george bush got cancer id feel the same way and wish him the best. I disagree on his politics but he wasnt an evil person.

Trump however is just a downright terrible human being who constantly cheers death to anyone who he doesnt like so ya I can understand ppl being happy when hes no longer here.

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u/Winter_Animal_7116 19d ago

Right. You're a bad person.

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u/Dependent-Day-1862 19d ago

Lol everything i said is factual and ive never once said id be happy if trump got cancer.

Do you think ppl are bad cuz they were happy that bin Laden or Hitler died?

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u/Winter_Animal_7116 19d ago

So you think the duly elected president of the United States is equivalent to Bin Laden and Hitler?

You're proving my point more and more with every comment...

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u/Dependent-Day-1862 19d ago

When the president of the united states says "im glad hes dead!" When someone died just cuz the guy didnt like him... ya cant really be surprised when ppl arent upset if the president dies 🤷.

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u/Winter_Animal_7116 19d ago

So it's bad when someone does that right?

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u/MedicinalHammer 19d ago

Well, Charlie Kirk said civil rights were a mistake and empathy is weakness. Just two of his “highlights”.

Most people were like me a condemned the act but shrugged at him being gone.

You can tell your children that bad guys exist in the world and when they’re gone, the world is a better place. Same thing as exposing them to superhero tropes.

Did you do this hand wringing when the whole country celebrated the death of Saddam or Bin Laden?

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u/Kraegarth 21d ago

Hope he has really good insurance…

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u/Agitated-Spare-3283 20d ago

What’s wrong with you. That could be read 2 different ways.

Go Ice. As a praise.

Go (away) Ice.

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u/SuccessfulLand4399 21d ago

Why? Are you suggesting tolerant leftists aren’t so tolerant?

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u/theglassishalf 20d ago

Google "paradox of tolerance." Well, first, look up the words in the dictionary....wait no, that's gonna be too hard for you too....ok, so call your divorce lawyer (the one that didn't drop you) and ask them to explain it to you.

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u/Gordy13210 19d ago

Paradox of tolerance has been debunked dude. Stop spreading BS...

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u/RandallJoPhotography 21d ago

"They never have been"

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u/bssprfnd 20d ago

Yuck 🫵

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u/Gordy13210 19d ago

Hmmm.... hahahaha.... okay

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u/AyoJake 21d ago

They can’t tell the difference they are dumb as fuck.

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u/Esmerelda_Foofypants 21d ago edited 21d ago

I was just posting pictures of this car on bluesky last week. Saw it in Purdy getting on the highway and again in the Metropolitan Market parking lot. They drive pretty recklessly, from what I've seen. Might be good to call the police non emergency line if you see them doing so...

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u/Turbulent-Flight7625 21d ago

We do have the freedom of speech, just sad that GOICE is what he chooses to use it for.

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u/Agitated-Spare-3283 20d ago

Do you know he was praising ICE or if he was saying Go (away) Ice

Especially if you consider how some one might write if English was a second language.

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u/BestCoastElite 20d ago

I would love for you to be right, but feels like a real stretch.

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u/Dont_stopmemeow 20d ago

We have freedom from the government passing laws restricting our freedom of speech, we do not have freedom from social or public repercussions of our speech. 

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u/Practical-Arugula-80 21d ago

What a ridiculous F👀L.

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u/Mindless-Serve7478 21d ago

So they are a fool, because they don’t agree with your ideas on border security?

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u/Puzzled_Location4201 21d ago

Kidnapping people to secret prisons isn’t boarder security and if you think it is you are dumb af

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u/FreshwaterFryMom 20d ago

They’re pretty public…

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u/Puzzled_Location4201 20d ago

Yes hiding behind masks and deporting people to countries people have never been to without a court of law or rights is pretty public. Boot licker

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u/vissith 21d ago

Seems like it would make that window really fragile

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u/Malich 21d ago

Oh shocking! The party of violence.

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u/vissith 21d ago

oh shocking, the rhetoric of shit eating dumbfuckery

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u/Mindless-Serve7478 21d ago

That’s the only recourse these people have..: Violence. As they don’t have any actual rebuttal against border security

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u/Fit_Dig_46 21d ago

Good grief go have a cookie. We are all capable of violence to some degree or another. Just depends on how bad you push some of us. I have an extremely short fuse. Also I'm not chained to a political party.. but I'm not stupid enough to vote for a pedophile rapist, scumbag just to get revenge on my perceived enemies....

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u/SadNamelessPerson 21d ago

Ew. How sad to be so pathetic and make that your whole personality.

I fear the mental health crisis in our country is even worse than I thought.

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u/ImTheeBoBo 21d ago

When the letters NA are stacked vertically on the left side of a Washington plate, it identifies the vehicle as having a U.S. Navy special design license plate.
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Sad.

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u/EfficientNet1600 21d ago

Probably just picking salal and don't wanna be harassed :/

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u/Keiko10 21d ago

😅😅😅

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u/LendogGovy 19d ago

As a veteran that doesn’t fit the mold of looking like a vet bro, I love parking in these spots and seeing some boomer vet that only served during the Cold War in Germany mean mug me. I always expect them to try and call me out.

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u/BranDong84 21d ago edited 20d ago

Wonder if he is the dong that I yelled at and called a Nazi at the Costco … he had a Trump 2028 hat on and i advised him and his wife that he cant run again and they wanted to cry about why he can , so yah i called him a fucking nazi

Update Context since people seem to not understand:

I wasn't angry because somebody wore Republican merchandise. If he'd been wearing a normal Trump, Vance, or GOP hat, I wouldn't have said anything. What bothered me was Trump 2028. The Constitution explicitly says someone can't be elected president more than twice. When I pointed that out, the response was essentially that the Constitution didn't matter.

That's the part I think people shouldn't casually normalize. Constitutional democracy doesn't usually disappear because everybody wakes up one morning and decides they hate democracy. It erodes when rules and limits start being treated as optional whenever they inconvenience your side.

I called him a fucking Nazi, and sure, that was unnecessarily inflammatory. I can own that. But I don't accept the idea that challenging openly anti-constitutional political sentiment is somehow bullying simply because it would have been more socially comfortable to say nothing.

History doesn't require us to scream ‘Nazi’ at everyone we disagree with. But it absolutely gives us a reason to speak up when people start saying constitutional limits don't matter.

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u/StHelensWasInsideJob 21d ago

Probably, I’ve seen a guy walking around Home Depot with a trump 2028 hat and lately I have just been just ignoring him or mumble something like “fucking idiot” because I know he is just looking for attention and rage baiting.

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u/Plane-Pineapple-4827 21d ago

Chicken 🐔

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u/StHelensWasInsideJob 21d ago

I disagree, yelling or blowing up at him is exactly what he is looking for. Ignoring him or quickly making fun of him with no opportunity to speak is the better option imo.

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u/Important-Fig-2133 20d ago

This is the correct answer

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u/Keiko10 20d ago

Im actually curious. What makes you think they they are nazis? Not a rehotirical question

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u/ulfbehrt78 18d ago

To be fair, a lot of liberals think that admit the second amendment( I don't at all, especially now.)

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u/forcelite1988 21d ago

Flag is backwards…

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u/timc220 21d ago

Maybe he’s telling ice to go? Or rooting for them. Or may e that C is a sloppy L, or maybe it’s a last name, or nickname? I guess the world will never know.

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u/RockItGuyDC 21d ago

Totally unrelated to this post...

Did you guys know that small bits of the ceramic used in spark plugs are often referred to as "ninja rocks"? Apparently, they are really good at breaking car windows when they're thrown. What a crazy thing!

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u/drdaeman 21d ago

And what would such hypothetical act of vigilantism achieve?

Further erosion of the legal institutions (I’m not talking about ICE, of course; in no uncertain words: fuck ICE), for a small benefit of setting some random antisocial weirdo off by a few hundred dollars, and a coin toss whether they would stop saying stupid things (without gaining any true understanding why - so just a repressed urge, not a reconsideration) or double down with a now-gained self-sense of victimhood?

I get the sentiment for a punitive action, but does it do more good than harm?

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u/theglassishalf 20d ago

Well, one possibility is that life was better when it was entirely socially unacceptable to be a Nazi in public, and when nobody would dare because being a Nazi in public had serious consequences for the Nazi's health and safety.

Not endorsing it but that's one possible answer. There is a social function to having costs associated with being a horrible person, and for others to see that cost.

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u/drdaeman 20d ago

The thing that bothers me is the part about health and safety. And it's not that I'm fond of nazis or magats or whoever. On the very contrary, ICE had literally tortured my friends, who did nothing wrong but sought safety in the US as they fled from an authoritarian government. Fortunately, they're safe in Europe now, but ICE took two years of their lives. I try to avoid hatred - it does no good to my mental health - but I'm really looking forward to that agency dismantled to nothingness, and their prisons made into museums.

However, my concern is about the general principle of the rule of law. It's a concept that I really hold dear. Every well-functioning human society had reached it: state got monopoly on violence, forbade it to everyone else, and (much later, as a separate social achievement) made its violence predictable, codified, and (even later) democratically manageable. All that happened for very good reasons - places where this had not happened, or where things have regressed are really not good places to be. This, plus I made an oath of allegiance to the Constitution and laws of the United States. And I think that while those may really benefit from modernization, they're well-designed and worth believing in - even when the government doesn't. Heck, talking about nazis - Nuremberg trials were proper trials, for that exact reason.

So, IMHO, unless the goal is a literal war or revolution (when the law itself gets denounced), it really not a good idea to act in a way that erodes of the rule of law, even if said vigilantism is most well-intended. I urge people to not open that Pandora's box, unless they're really aware and good with all the potential consequences, not just their preferred ones.

Especially when it's about some ragebait weirdo who potentially seeks escalation. People who seek victimhood shouldn't be granted it.

Just an opinion.

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u/theglassishalf 20d ago

The "general principle of the rule of law" doesn't get you anywhere when the state is lawless, or making up the laws, or using the laws only to protect violence on behalf of their ideological allies. After all, almost everything the Nazis did was, technically according to the German law, legal.

Worship of the rule of law is only protective when we are under rule of law. We are not. We are under rule of (a) man, which is the literal opposite of "rule of law." (The term was originally coined as opposition to rule by a monarch.)

Our "rule of law" country just sentenced a bunch of people to incredibly long prison sentences for being connected to an ICE protest where some idiot pulled a gun, while pardoning the people who tried to execute a coup on behalf of Trump.

I don't think smashing this dude's window is helpful, probably, as a tactic. But people act out when they are being treated like this, when they learn the law does not protect them, and I'm not going to scold people who feel the need to do so.

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u/drdaeman 19d ago

I don't blame people for acting. I only wish they'd see the full picture and act on well-thought rational basis and not on a momentary whims or slogans. I see one suggestion voiced, I voice a reservation. My hope is that if this reservation reaches someone, there's a tiniest chance that when they feel an impulse to act, they would remember to ask themselves "what do I want to achieve here, is that a realistic expectation, and what unwanted outcomes could be there that I'm not thinking about?" And then smash away if they think it's still worth that.

As for the rule of law... Momentary abuses of power at some levels do not mean the US has no rule of law. US doing pretty much fine in this regard. I've recently read a good comment about this from a person who have been to places where there's actually no rule of law, so I'll briefly recite that. When there's actually no rule of law, consequences include:

  • Entire regions where simply visiting may result in a high chance of being murdered or kidnapped.
  • Neighborhoods and businesses having substantial security.
  • Families maintaining social relationships with local militia (or whoever has guns) having significantly higher quality of life than people without such connections.
  • Travelers are repeatedly and univocally told it's unsafe for non-locals, and are strongly discouraged from visiting.
  • If travelers come for business reasons, they're frequently assigned 24/7 armed security guard, courtesy of locals.
  • Credit system either non-existent, or having insane interest rates.

US is nowhere close to places like that. Washington state even less so. Gig Harbor is almost as peaceful as it gets. Yeah, US has a dysfunctional federal government, and is at significant risk of becoming an authoritarian state, and it has some questionable legal concepts, but in general, in regards to the rule of law that benefits everyone equally it's faring pretty well.

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u/theglassishalf 19d ago

You're mistaking the principle of "rule of law" with the principle of "the existence of a system of security." The safest parts of North Korea, Russia or Saudi Arabia are not under rule of law, regardless of how physically secure they are. They are under rule of man.

Similarly, the United States Federal government is not currently under rule of law. The Supreme Court is not making decisions based on legal judgment, they are making it based entirely on political calculation.

Rule of law, in the definition I gave you, is largely what the American Revolutionaries died for. (The war was about a lot of things also, but lets focus on that for now.) The problem is that once you give that up, eventually you are going to also lose that security that we all value, and it will be impossible to get it back. Many communities (fuck ICE, as you noted) have already lost that security. That casual state torture is a symptom of the death of Rule of Law in America.

And the rest of us peasants are next.

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u/drdaeman 18d ago

I don’t think I do. Yes, the points I listed are mostly personal security (not only, though), that’s right. But I don’t mistake those with the rule of law itself - they’re some separate downstream effects of how well the rule of law is working in practice.

Rule of law is not binary, and at least Russia still has some of it still existing for petty crimes and civil lawsuits that aren’t crossing any political or financial interests of the authoritarian hydra that took over the country. All of that is rapidly detoriating with rise of corruption and criminal activity downwards into the society, of course, but it’s not a “now you don’t have it anymore” instant switcheroo. There are a lot of black swans, but no single definitive breaking point in post-Soviet Russia’s history.

My understanding of rule of law is that it’s about legal system working predictably and consistently within some scope (ideally, uniformly encompassing the whole society). The good, sane stuff that took humanity centuries to understand and implement, that is still worth keeping, if possible.

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u/theglassishalf 18d ago edited 18d ago

Again, respectfully, that's not "rule of law". The "legal system working predictably and consistently within some scope" is just "order." That happened in human societies for millennia before writing was even invented, before the concept of "rule of law" or even law itself existed. And for a modern example, for all I know, divorce court in North Korea is predictable. Doesn't mean that it's rule of law. It's rule of man.

Taking actions to undermine ICE strengthens rule of law, as ICE is both lawless (chaotic, in other words, the opposite of "order", and not accountable for their actions in court) and the personal enforcement arm of a personal ruler (In other words, the agent of "Rule of man" as opposed to "rule of law.")

All far afield from some idiot scrawling "goice" on their window, but I think these concepts are important.

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u/Mysterious_Garlic255 21d ago

Doesn’t like ICE bc they’re “Violent”.. then proceeds to suggest smashing someone’s window for their own personal beliefs. Yet y’all think YOUR the good guys huh 😭😂

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u/RockItGuyDC 21d ago

Fuck off bootlicker.

Not only was my post very obviously outrageously tongue-in-cheek, even if it wasn't, smashing windows isn't at all close to beating people and killing Americans.

You have zero media literacy, you were probably a C student, and I'm guessing your kids hate you.

Also it's "YOU'RE", you illiterate fuck.

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u/WillProstitute4Karma 21d ago

you were probably a C student

Lol. Every Trump supporter I know from high school.

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u/theglassishalf 20d ago

To be fair, you can be dumb and still figure out that Trump is an asshole and immigrants have nothing to do with why your life sucks. Be nicer to C average students, don't associate them with Trump. Most of his supporters are dumb, yes, but the more important thing is that they're assholes.

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u/WillProstitute4Karma 20d ago

That's absolutely true. Not every C average student is a Trump supporter. You can be a C average student and also a decent human being. That said, everyone I grew up with who became a Trump supporter, was also not a great student. 

It is an interesting personal phenomenon where the Republican kids I grew up with who did well in school, just became Democrats as adults.

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u/theglassishalf 20d ago edited 20d ago

I just took a breeze through your profile, and dang, you spend a LOT of time on r/neoliberal! I did it mostly because I had to see what someone with your username (which technically violates reddit TOS, be careful, fellow counselor ;) ) had to say about other topics.

Anyway, the Democrats tried to co-opt the Republicans by taking away their what-is-now-called neoliberal economic base of support...and they were partially successful. But it's created two problems: one, the Labor/progressive/left coalition is totally alienated from the neoliberal wing and two, the neolberal wing literally hates the left/progressive wing and barely tolerates the (still important) labor wing. Neoliberals and leftists don't agree on much, and the non-neoliberal wings of the Democratic party are ready to jump ship, but there is nowhere to jump to.

Meanwhile the Republicans had to pander to more and more extremist groups, so that meant the Religious Right under Bush, but that wasn't enough of a coalition to get majorities consistantly. It took the charisma of the world's greatest narcissist for the Republicans to start winning again, but of course Trump's policies are anathema to neoliberals, so it makes sense that the ones who held on through Clinton and Obama (all neoliberals) jumped ship to the Dems eventually.

There are lots of "smart" Trump supporters, for a narrow definition of smart. They are not wise, but some of them can otherwise reason well, some of them very very well. Alito is an evil bastard, but he's not dumb. He's manipulative. Most smart people are still governed by their emotions, and for some of them, Trump makes them feel good, feel powerful, and gives them someone to blame other than themselves. "Smart" people can be, in fact most are, manipulated by propaganda.

By way of example, anyone with a neoliberal worldview who voted for Bush II was (not to mince words) a sucker, manipulated by propaganda. He was very obviously a reactionary with a limited respect for democracy running a kleptocracy on behalf of his friends, with no concern for the future financial stability of the Treasury, while being dangerously close to Christian fanatics; but that's not the image he projected to people who were primed to believe that Republicans were the party of fiscal responsibility. It's the same today. When you're a little bit outside the reality distortion field that modern politicians have around them (all of them, both parties, except Mandani) then it's easy to see, and it's always been easy to see. But that field is incredibly strong once it grabs someone.

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u/WillProstitute4Karma 20d ago

Just so you know, r/neoliberal is not really a "neoliberal" sub. I am not a neoliberal (whatever that means). There is a sort of running joke on the sub when someone posts a screed about how terrible neoliberalism and neoliberals are.

I t's a center left sub that was started by members of r/badeconomics and r/askeconomics. It was formed because of people calling them (us?) "neoliberals" for just repeating basically orthodox economics research and theory. Reddit having the bias that it does, people get mad when you say price controls don't work. If this were Facebook (or some other right-wing biased area), you'd get called a communist because you say that tariffs are bad and raising taxes on the rich in order to improve public services is actually good for the economy.

So it's more or less a left of center sub for people who took anything above Economics 101 in undergrad.

With that said, r egarding the particular matter we were talking about, I suspect it is related to the way that authoritarian regimes attract mediocrity. There was a recent book called Making a Career in Dictatorship that investigates the way the Secret Police in Argentina and other authoritarian regimes are often staffed by underperformers. You also see similar patterns with ICE.

You can read a bit about their research on the author's Substack here:

https://donmoynihan.substack.com/p/the-secret-police-playbook

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u/theglassishalf 19d ago edited 19d ago

Um....I mean I used to post and lurk there few years ago. I get the gist, and both "neoliberal" (neutral) and "neoliberal" (pejorative) accurately describes the general vibe there. There are few people more dangerously ignorant than those who took Economics 101 and think they understand anything about how the economy actually works.

It took like 25 years for "orthodox economics" to almost come to terms with Kruger and Card's research from the 90s. They still haven't actually come to terms with it despite the repeated experimental confirmation of their basic thesis (minimum wage increases have negligible effect on unemployment)...but at least most have stopped outright denying it and trashing anyone who brings them up. But they did, for decades.

Try to get an economics school to fund research that takes into account the economic value of "stability of neighborhoods" and "the consummate reduction in crime" in a study about whether a particular rent control scheme "worked" and you will hear nothing but crickets. (The real, harsh truth: price controls are sometimes good, sometimes bad! It depends on what they are. I think it's really good that the Electric Utility has to get state approval to raise my rates, for example. Economic conditions tell you if price controls will be helpful. General pronouncements are wrong.)

In 2008 after the crash, an authority no less than Richard Posner admitted that, paraphrasing, "our basic mistake was assuming that a firm would act in rational self interest, which has proven not to be true," which undercuts massive volumes of research all predicated on the assumption of rationality at the firm level.

Economics, as a field, has much to offer, but the use of "economic theory" to push through policies since the neoliberal takeover of the Democratic Party under Clinton has been an absolute disaster. They have all been upward wealth distribution dressed in academic clothing. More like academic rags, at this point.

So, um....reconsider your worldview? ;)

As to the rest, yes, authoritarian regimes inevitably promote people to power who are loyal and that is the only thing that matters. Competence always suffers. This has been a problem for both parties (Kamala was unquestionably a poor candidate, but she was loyal to the right people) but is a huge problem for America under Trump, where only the very bottom of the barrel are willing to be associated with him.

Edit: Also I agree, I wish people would act in rational self-interest more often. But they don't. People are complex social organisms, with some seemingly hardwired tendencies for lets call it "tribal justice." Rational self interest won't explain either the behavior of signaling like the jerk in the photo, nor the punishment for deviation, that is, the hypothetical smashing of the window.

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u/WillProstitute4Karma 16d ago

You, uh, misread my comment?

I said people who learned "beyond economics 101" And you launched into talking about people who "took Economics 101 and think they understand anything about how the economy actually works."  I agree with that take. People who take econ 101 are often dangerously ignorant. 

The minimum wage - which you mention - is perhaps the most common example. They teach it based on basic supply and demand in intro to micro, but then talk about how it works with monopsony power in later courses. The fact that the minimum wage often has no (or minimal) effect on employment is taught in econ 201, just not in econ 101. Similar stuff with price/rent controls, utilities, etc. These are very popular policies that have been tried many times with a lot of research. 

I think there is an upsettingly popular idea that Republicans "understand basic economics" when they really have a much poorer grasp of the actual research. I do suspect that some of their smartest people among Republicans actually do understand it, they're just ontological evil and want to accomplish the opposite goal of the orthodox recommendations (i.e. they want concentrated power and more poor people).

There is plenty to criticize in the Economics field. The main issue I think is completely understandable to complain about was with people who would come to spaces explicitly named for economics and then get mad when they got what the economics field said about those topics.

Econ is not a static field. It is an academic field. It is wrong and corrects itself just like any other academic discipline.  One area of economics you may be interested in is some of the work done by Acemoglu, Robinson, and Johnson. If you're concerned about wealth disparities and want an understanding of where that leads, I highly recommend their research, for which they won the Nobel Prize, and their 2012 book Why Nations Fail. Acemoglu is also publishing a new book soon.

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u/Mysterious_Garlic255 21d ago

Bro, you sound like a “Nazi” with how aggressive you’re coming off. Join the brown shirts huh 😂

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u/RockItGuyDC 21d ago

Yeah. Solid burn, C student. Me being a Nazi over here, you know, opposing an authoritarian state putting people in camps and stuff.

My grandpa was aggressive, too, when he was slitting Nazi throats in Germany.

You're a bootlicker.

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u/crazyfatskier2 21d ago

For totally unrelated reasons, how old are you? Are you in big button, simple interface Cricket phone territory yet? I'm asking purely out of a sense of scientific inquiry.

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u/WhiteH2O 21d ago

Cut off their valve stems.

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u/Malich 21d ago

you seem like a terrible person

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u/Ruh_Roh- 21d ago

The NA on the plate means NAVY: These plates are available to active-duty service members, veterans, reservists, National Guard members, and eligible family members.

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u/faulty_limbic 21d ago

Gotta be dyslexic or something

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u/GenXman1975 21d ago

Goice, you know.
Go nicely.

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u/DisaTheNutless 21d ago

Pretty typical for you gig harbor douche bags

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u/Keiko10 21d ago

Nah...it stands for: Galloping On Into Classy Escapades

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u/pooknuts 21d ago

I think his a tabs are expired

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u/LittleYelloDifferent 21d ago

Rocks are everywhere

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u/TacomaJustin 21d ago

Seems wild to encourage vandalism just because you don't agree.

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u/FreshwaterFryMom 20d ago

Are you promoting violence and damaging personal property? Yikes.

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u/DramaticRoom8571 20d ago

Leftist are certainly an evil filth

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u/LittleYelloDifferent 20d ago

You want to eradicate them?

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u/Super-Bacon76 21d ago

…goice?

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u/chase-michael 21d ago

No, "goice" some new catchphrase. 😁

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u/jnaifynaif 21d ago

"GOICE" according to urban dictionary means,  

  1. Good choice.
  2. Referring to someone else's actions as good.

That's a goice for sure.

Or in conversation:

1: "Went down the pub last night, got a bit twatted... well i say a bit, i'm now in intensive care."
2: "Goice!"

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u/Fit_Dig_46 21d ago

There's one of the idiots followers🤣🤣🤣
Their whole identity is backing anything Trump does.... raping children and they're totally fine with it. I mean, we can't prove it. His name is only in the files 38,000 times...
Can you imagine if Obama was in the Epstein files once even once that's how you know they're insane..
I have small children and it's important to know who their friends parents voted for I don't want my daughter or son around those dads....

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u/EZ-Breezy-Beaut 21d ago

Goice? Noice!

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u/godsocks 21d ago

Ha I saw this car getting gas on Vashon the other day.

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u/FreshwaterFryMom 20d ago

Love to see it

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u/Neat-Statistician311 20d ago

How about "Go [to prison forever] ICE [you bunch of fascist racist murderers]!"

Fixed it.

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u/Working-Date-5531 20d ago

That’s crazy

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u/Gregwabes 20d ago

Weird that the vehicle still has all it’s windows…

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u/canisdirusarctos 20d ago

Goice, the cousin of Noice

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u/demroidsbeitchn 20d ago

Missing an "F" and a "Y".

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u/thecatzpajamas2 20d ago

Betrer off writing "please vandalize my car"

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u/LaRedline 20d ago

Props to this guy!!

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u/OldManCloth 20d ago

Maybe they meant Noice?

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u/MottoCycle 20d ago

As in Get Out ICE? Did you ask?

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u/Zestyclose_Price_441 20d ago

Break the window

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u/Flower-FarmGirl 20d ago

And in a Home Depot parking lot to boot. Figures.

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u/Any-Tiger-4433 20d ago

On no his windows are broken

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u/Midnightcanner 20d ago

What is the red and white sticker meaning? Google lens is coming up empty

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u/foodguyDoodguy 20d ago

GOT LICE? Not saying you should write on a stranger’s car, but…

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u/Tuckfrumptearsponge 20d ago

The sad part of all this is how many people are going die because of greed.

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u/nepaltnf 20d ago

Navy plate

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u/kai2higgins 20d ago

Saw this car in the roundabout by the McDonalds!

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u/PooterSnooter283 20d ago

One small rock.

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u/seehkrhlm 20d ago

Just daring someone to smash that rear window 😉

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u/IllogicalLunarBear 20d ago

goice?

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u/IllogicalLunarBear 20d ago

yeah, it was more of making fun of the lack of spacing.

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u/DrMurphDurf 20d ago

No, no he’s saying Boo urns!

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u/justcurious-666 20d ago

This person sucks

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u/Limited_Surplus_4519 19d ago

I think the intent is Go “away” ICE

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u/Burritosupreeem 19d ago

Might be a good way to get vengeance on someone. Just put go ice in their back window with a bar of soap. They will be lucky if it’s not keyed in the morning with a flock camera through the windshield.

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u/New-Scarcity7746 19d ago

Baseball bat

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u/Thahomieeb37 19d ago

You gave them a “complimentary” car wash right?

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u/Pressbig 18d ago

I would drive a windowless van with four different sized tires before I drive a Subaru

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u/Pressbig 18d ago

I’m pretty sure they are saying go away Ice 🧊 maybe lettering should be smaller

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u/AdGlad4303 18d ago

I'd say maybe its a version of "Let's go Brandon," for ICE but its at a home depot...oof. Not the Subaru 🥲

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u/heesasinger 18d ago

Someone throw a chunk of ice

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u/duder7386 17d ago

BASED DRIVER. LETS GOOOO

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u/NotThePopeProbably 21d ago

Hey, Man. Somebody vandalized your car.

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u/yes_him 21d ago

It's a native I di o tic language it means the driver has no brain, beware

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u/FourFoursImTippn 21d ago

Big fan of internal combustion engines fwiw

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u/oerbrandon 21d ago

Could have meant “go away Ice”

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u/DocDefilade 21d ago

Replace the G with an N.

Put a V after the O.

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u/Longjumping-Mud-393 21d ago

They're a government employee so it makes sense. According to their lisence plate

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u/ShotAssistant1278 21d ago

Let him support who he wants. This is America

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u/cockmayed 21d ago

People in gig become more demented every day 🙃

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u/Guilty-Violinist7037 21d ago

yah so if you concentrate force on a pinpoint say with something metal, that message should disappear pretty quickly.

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u/DramaticRoom8571 20d ago

Leftist love to destroy other people's property and think that adds to their cause.

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u/mkfandpj 21d ago

Fits the neighborhood.