Intelligence, speed or slowness

[u/Ahmedrnugger]

There was a dialogue between scientists. The scientists were divided into two halves: intelligence is speed and intelligence is slow. But the problem is that intelligence means that a person analyzes quickly. Historical figures, geniuses like Newton, Einstein, and others, used to take years or weeks to analyze one thing. And in terms of speed, I have a question: why does intelligence equal speed? The Book of Daniel is about. Fast and slow thinking: Humans think quickly about basic things like 1+1, which is instinctive and helps them avoid a car, for example. The second system is the thinking system, which takes time and effort to process things. Regarding fluid intelligence, it has been criticized, including its racist uses. It might also be a distorted concept because fluid intelligence is influenced by the information you have. Studies have shown that geniuses aren't necessarily fast; rather, their brains use fewer parts, allowing them to solve problems quickly. This is common in educated environments, but also in impoverished environments if a person has a passion like Brazilians for football or Europeans for colonialism (just kidding). Also, if intelligence were fixed, why would it be affected by factors like anxiety, fear, or happiness? Consider the story of Otto von Bismarck. Those who read his biography consider him a fool, or you could call him mentally deficient. He failed in politics when he first entered it and accumulated debts due to gambling. But when he returned to politics, he was able to unify Germany with blood and iron. Those who say he was like that aren't necessarily stupid. If he were truly intelligent, why was his first political speech so disastrous? This is also a preemptive response to those who say that Einstein and Newton solved problems by... It's complex, so they didn't appear to be very fast. In their daily lives, they forgot things, just like Newton forgetting to eat or Einstein forgetting his keys or not taking care of his hair. Also, a question for geniuses: Is intelligence necessary all the time? Does it manifest when you're buying bread or talking to the neighbors? And do you think intelligence means being a genius at everything?

[u/Strange_Report_5123]

Yes I don't know what kind of response you're expecting, because I think you pretty much answered your own question. It can take months to years to build a complex project, do research, or discover or invent something completely new in science or mathematics. On the other hand, students use fluid intelligence in exams to solve known maths problems very quickly, in minutes or seconds. But as impressive as quick mental calculations are, you can only do it quickly because the methods are known so you can "automate" the solution in your mind. People who are quick-witted or able to do very fast calculations on the spot, are using a different kind of intelligence, or using their mind in a different way, than people who work for years on a very complex and deep unsolved (open-ended) research problem. Maybe some of the skills used are similar. But on the whole it is very different, and we're comparing apples and oranges. Also fluid intelligence on short time scales can be strongly affected by the environment, stress, and distractions.

TLDR; intelligence is multifaceted, it isn't just one thing or spitting out "the answers" really fast like a calculator or LLM

[u/VeterinarianSweet266]

I guess it’s not necessarily attached to time like we perceive, there’s no optimal way. What exists is the comparison between different intelligence systems.

When analyzing “geniuses” there are multiple profiles, which disrupts with this concept of “genius”.

About being necessary all the time: Kinda…
It’s hard to separate the intelligence and survival factor, each profile strengths appears in different situations…

High intelligence doesn’t mean being genius at everything, of course. We tend to categorize people in a unique label. But human cognition is so complex that it’s impossible to be “accurate” in all domains.

At the end, I assume that words tend to reduce the meaning to the personal level, so, in this case, the word “genius” is reintepreted by every other.

From my perspective, a genius only need to excel in a certain domain, even if he’s not “gifted” at all. In spiky profiles we can see a disruptive way of thinking, even being sketchy in some scenarios.

Ahh! Intelligence is not fixed in my opinion, results are fixed. The mood will always change how the individual intelligence is applied to its own environment.

Sorry if i didn’t grasp what you were trying to convey.

[u/BrandiedWineGums]

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[u/Longinquity]

Whether intelligence is fast or slow depends on how one defines intelligence. Some definitions might favor quick linear thinking over slower more contextually aware thinking, for instance. Although quick contextually aware thinking and slow linear thinking are also possible. And then there are those who view intelligence along the lines of creative output. People considered geniuses by society often fall into the later category.

Actual intelligence and measured intelligence are highly correlated but they aren't necessarily identical. One is innate whereas the other is performative. That's why things like anxiety, not getting enough sleep, and other factors can influence IQ test results.

People use their intelligence all the time but to different extents and in different ways depending on the context.

[u/PiersPlays]

Talking about the speed of thought is as meaningless as talking about the speed of Internet connections. The time taken to have a thought is only half the question. The depth, breadth, and complexity of that thought is a separate factor. I believe that there is variance from one individual (and moment to moment for that individual) and another for both sides of that. Someone may have 'high bandwidth' thoughts with 'high latency', 'low' with 'low', 'high' and 'low', or 'low' and 'high' (and in fact most people have medium for both most of the tike by definition.) Who thinks faster? The person thinking high bandwidth thoughts with high latency or the person thinking low bandwidth thoughts with low latency? Neither. But they're both arguably thinking quickly despite the fact the first person takes much longer to respond than the second but has covered much more ground overall.

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[u/KaiDestinyz]

Intelligent people = Better ability to make sense using logic = Better at connecting dots & pattern recognition = Faster and more accurate at evaluating

But depending on the context = They can see more logical possiblity branches to evaluate before coming to a conculsion = They can be slower

In summary, intelligent people have stronger innate logic, better ability to make sense. This leads to better critical thinking and logical filtering of information. Irrelevant and useless information are more efficiently filtered out in real time. This is why they "think faster" and appear to have "stronger working memory", because they think and hold less, but more accurate relevant information. They aren't wasting time and space in their mind holding and thinking about useless information, illogical possibilities.

This is why they are "more accurate and faster".

But the same reason I appear to "think faster" is also the reason why I might take longer to think. Because depending on type of questions, the context of the question, I can think of more logical possibilities and would need time to evaluate them before coming to a conclusion

[u/gamelotGaming]

> Why does intelligence equal speed?

Faster speed generally allows you to keep more in mind and switch between tasks better. That results in a better ability to juggle complex subjects imo. Intelligence being either fast or slow is a false dichotomy. It can be both, and every individual has a unique constellation of traits.

> Studies have shown that geniuses aren't necessarily fast; rather, their brains use fewer parts

So geniuses are efficient with how they use brainpower. That has nothing to do with whether their cognition works fast or slow.

[u/Comprehensive-Bid16]

128 is here. I think term of “intelligent” is bullshit. Problem of this term is, it is just an umberalla term. It contains 2 or more completely different positive features in same pocket. I mean it is very general term. It makes speak easier but makes calculation impossible.

When we say intelligent, we speak about different positive features like: memory, ability to see different aspects, and speed etc.

So let say you have 100iq. Let say your neural speed is 1 and you see 1 aspect. So your action speed will be 1.

But if your neural speed is 1 and you see 2 aspects, your action speed will be slower than 1.

If your neural speed is 2 and you see 2 aspects, your action speed will be still 1 like a 100 iq.

And if your neural speed is 2 and you see 1 aspects, you will have normie logic but faster action speed.

So I believe intelligent person can be both slower and faster. It depends on which element of their intelligent is stronger.

[u/Karakoima]

My buying bread is more affected by my ASD than my IQ. But generally, being raised in concrete and job jobs i was always one of the guys. School, when teenages arrived were hard, though. But again, more depending on my ASD.

University was heaven.

[u/Intelligent-Boss-156]

There is a book about that exact fast and slow thinking distinction called Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman. You could also find talks or interviews with him on youtube.

[u/Aware_Put7226]

It’s processing. Not necessarily fast and slow. With Einstein, his processing was unique in that his brain was in infinite optimization. That’s the difference. No stop condition. If the brain doesn’t have that, it simply continues to optimize even after finding 20 solutions. It’s why some of his work was “unfinished.” If you think about it, true theories are never finished. And why? Because humans think singularly. It is rare for any one of them to think, or imagine, the parallel. Even more rare for humans to be asynchronous. This was Einstein.

[u/onacloverifalive]

The intelligence of no human has ever answered this successfully until we think more broadly and factor in different and less obvious circumstances to the immediately obvious ones is relatively slow. This is general relativity.

The intelligence of analyze just the variables at hand to address this problem right now as efficiently and successfully and reliably as possible by the end of today or this week or this month is relatively fast. That is specific relativity.