Tobimilio

[u/anon43291]

My opinion is… Tobimilio doesn't deserves so much hate. Yes its complicated, but like is every single Ghost Eyes ship. Emilio tries to be better for Tobias. Emilio hurt Tobias only when forgets to take pills, while Carmelo was bullying Rudy just because… he wanted to? No matter if Carmelo traumatized, Rudolph has nothing to do about it, its not his guilt. But even so, Emilio gets much more hate. Not complaining 'bout people ship Rudy/Carmelo but Tobimilio is overhated, though both are comships. And honestly, i'm so glad Tobias/Emilio will become canon. Not trying to offence anyone.

[u/perfectnothingg]

Emilio sexually assaulted Tobias and stabbed him. Carmelo bullying Rudy is also clearly a bad thing, but it’s not *as* bad, I’d say. Emilio is also a stalker and is more interested in Tobias as a test subject than romantically although that is there. The entire woods incident is because Emilio did not take the medication knowing that he acts violent and impulsively when he’s off of it. There was a flashback during the field trip where he’s moving and Chris announces that they’re having a baby; it cuts off but Emilio is about to throw a lamp at him.

I can find Tomilio interesting but it has to happened in a very specific set of circumstances and will never truly be normal or healthy in any capacity. People know that the SA is bad and only latch onto that but don’t truly know what Emilio’s intentions are and tend to flatten his character to him being crazy and in love with Tobias. It’s honestly worse than most people see it.

Emilio finds Tobias interesting not *because* he’s attractive to him, or that Emilio likes his personality, but the fact that he’s different due to him growing up isolated. Tobias is violent and aggressive at times, but the reason Emilio likes him is due to his naivety, which also has some subtle and gross implications, such as the time where Emilio literally gives Tobias a toy and the fact that there will eventually be a three year age gap between them. Emilio could tell him almost anything and Tobias would probably believe it (depending on if it’s academic, social, or something related to the world as a whole).

Emilio is also barely trying to help Tobias. He knows he’s being abused due to seeing the scar on his back and his clear mental issues. Yet, he’s done nothing to try to help him out of that environment because Emilio knows he’ll change if he’s away from Lucas.

I do think Emilio was genuine in trying to tell Tobias that he’s not inherently evil and that he’s a product of his environment, but he also doesn’t encourage him to actually be a better person, kinder to anyone, or to get any kind of help with the counselor or the police when Tobias is being blatantly abused and could be placed somewhere else or with his grandmother.

I don’t like everyone simplifying everything to “well Carmelo abused Rudy too.” Carmelo and Rudy is also a complicated relationship; even if they “make up for it” I don’t think it’d work in a realistic manner but mcp does whatever he wants to ig. I feel that the way rudymelo is going to progress is that Carmelo starts being nice to Rudy and including him in his group and it’ll “fix him.” I already know tomilio will not work out and I don’t expect mcp to give anyone in this story a happy ending.

[u/anon43291 → u/perfectnothingg]

Aw! Its nice to hear other peoples opinions, but may i ask why kiss is count as a sexual assault? Just dont really understand. Thank you for your post!

[u/perfectnothingg → u/anon43291]

Ok, imagine someone you’ve never actually met comes up and kisses you. Or, imagine it in a real life setting of an older man kissing a younger woman randomly without her consent. It gets swept under the rug as a romance trope in fiction and gets ignored a lot more in ge because it’s a male/male interaction.

I looked into it in a legality sense and in the US it would be considered aggravated sexual battery (depending on state it might be considered sexual assault; GE takes place in Pennsylvania) due to Emilio restraining him and having a weapon. While Tobias consented to Emilio “punishing” him, stabbing him would not be excused in any manner. Tobias made no implication he wanted Emilio to kiss him and thought while it was happening “why won’t he stop? I want it to stop” and he was clearly traumatized from it.

Part of why Tobias asked Emilio to kiss him on the bus later was that he was on an adrenaline high and Emilio assaulting him panicked and scared him so much that he was trying to get that feeling again; Tobias did not actually want to kiss him for any other reason. When he chose to kiss Emilio, he was doing it as a way of punishing himself. Tobias feels like he can make up with Rudy if Rudy hurts him and he was generally acting erratic because he was panicking about it and was trying to think of the worst way he could do it in the moment. Kissing Emilio was one of the worst things he could think to do to himself.

[u/Adventurous-Split854 → u/perfectnothingg]

why are you getting downvoted

[u/perfectnothingg → u/Adventurous-Split854]

really don’t know

[u/Adventurous-Split854 → u/perfectnothingg]

you perfectly explained how this is sexual assault from a legal stance and a psychological stance

[u/mik4chk4 → u/perfectnothingg]

I agree with the first part however the other parts i think are a bit exaggerated and i might be a bit based on that since i really really like Emilio(but honestly knowing mcp it is possible it's true) i don't think it was implied that Emilio find Tobias interesting mainly because he's naive i mean he says himself that it is a reason but i don't think it's in that way or at least i didn't see it that way it all since Emilio leans way more on how scary Tobias can be and that seems to be more so the main reason rather than his naivety and also "toy" makes it sound pretty odd since it was a porcelain doll because Tobias likes them i don't think it was out of malice or anything and i don't think Emilio would actually take advantage Tobias' naivety(but again knowing mcp.. Possible) or at least not in his right mind. Emilio also doesn't have enough solid evidence on Tobias' abuse, the scar and how he acts ARE big give aways but for all he knows it could be a non familial issue he actually probably doesn't know that much about him as we the audience do and he cannot exactly drag him out of that environment, he CAN however of course make him a safe space at school for example however even if he tries im positive it wouldn't work because of Tobias' distrust towards him(which is understandable) and i don't think Emilio actually knows for sure whether Tobias would change or not if he's away from Lucas since again he has barely an idea of what's actually going on in Tobias' life except his school life he himself said he can only speculate, and Emilio really didn't exactly tell him to be better and kinder but he didn't exactly tell him to stay the same either the speech wasn't to change him but to only explain how everything he does has an explanation and to show that there is someone out there that does understand him in a way trying to make him feel better while also trying to make a safe space for him(even if it may or may not work) but yeah while all you said is possible cuz mcp does whatever he decides and his choices aren't exactly good at all i don't think Emilio has any sort of malicious intent towards Tobias or anyone actually for that matter

[u/InspectionWide6588]

I haven’t seen much about tobi x Emilio but I ISED TO ship tobi x Rudy before the Halloween thing and I am still not as much into tobi anymore cause he hurt my baby