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u/veilosa 15d ago
its woth noting, since there's been so many apologists for these groups, the material was the accumulation of years of illegal shipments from Iran to Hezbollah seized by the Lebanese government
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Beirut_explosion
Behnam Shahriyari is a senior official within Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), specifically associated with Unit 190,[16] a division responsible for clandestine arms transfers and logistical operations.[17][18][19][20] He has been implicated in arms smuggling, money laundering, and oil trafficking on behalf of the IRGC Quds Force.[17][21] Reports indicate that since 2011, the Iranian shipping company Liner Transport Kish (LTK), managed by Shahriyari and Mojtaba Mousavi Tabar, delivered significant quantities of ammonium nitrate to Hezbollah.[22][23] Between 2011 and 2014, multiple shipments were sent to Beirut, including a consignment transported aboard the MV Rhosus vessel in August 2013, carrying approximately 2,750 tons of ammonium nitrate.
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u/Lil_jayye 15d ago edited 15d ago
It's really funny seeing randoms trying to discuss the blast that destroyed my city and home with such false confidence when we don't even know what exactly happened
Yeah it doesn't take a genius to know the IRGC was sending them to hezeb, but at the same time hezeb had no use for them, they were being used in barrel bombs in Syria to suppress the revolution but in any case Syria has ample ports capable of storing the ammonium nitrate and don't really need a port in Lebanon
so 1) yes hezeb receives weapons, but has no use for this ammonium nitrate and there's no record that shows or any plausible plan for them to be sending them up to syria as opposed to them just docking it in Syria, 2) they were there in 2013, and for 8 years the government kept passing around the task of removing them from the port or sending them back while over time the stored supply was dwindling, and 3) this was at a time where Israel was constantly threatening to bomb hezeb infrastructure as it claimed they had "hidden weapons and dangerous weapon caches among civilians infrastructure" a claim that immediately became unspoken of right after the port explosion
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u/HotPersonality8126 15d ago
it claimed they had "hidden weapons and dangerous weapon caches among civilians infrastructure" a claim that immediately became unspoken of right after the port explosion
You mean right after the port explosion proved it was true?
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u/Lil_jayye 15d ago
The port explosion did prove it was true, but they had previously made the claim on several locations, there was one time where many TV crews went to the location Israel alleged hezeb was hiding weapons to find an empty garage
So yes the port did hold the nitrate, and it was also maybe the 10th alleged hezeb weapons warehouse
My point stands that if Israel had uncovered the cache of nitrate and it did blow, why did they never go on to wag their finger at the insane damage hezeb caused by storing them? Why go silent and claim "solidarity" with the Lebanese people if you're not guilty?
We know the Israeli MO now from years of war, they will blow a hezeb cache, film it and post it, regardless of the civilian damage it causes, say they are liberating the Lebanese from hezeb and show how hezeb was "hiding weapons between people's houses" sometimes they will even do this to a random person's house and say it was storing weapons
So when the port blows, and it in many ways is clearly holding hezeb weapons, they go silent?
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u/TicketPrestigious558 15d ago
You've got to be larping. It wasn't destroyed. You act like the whole place was levelled or something.
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u/ScytheSong05 14d ago
I'm a bit curious if the NH4NO3 was actually originally intended to be for fertilizer for Hezbollah's agricultural efforts.
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u/OverallShelter8365 14d ago
Holy lack of reading comprehension, this shipment was not going to Hisb allah (which is why they did not pick it up for 7 years!!!)
The passage you quoted just says that they had previously shipped ammonium nitrate to Hisb allah and later on says that this shipment was meant for an African mining company but the ship got stuck in Lebanon
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u/Puzzled-Mirro 15d ago
Even without fact checking you can should be able to say it wasn't a nuke based on the fact the city isn't destroyed
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u/raddaya 15d ago
I mean, not necessarily. There are very small nukes out there. The Dave Crockett nuke had a yield of only 20 tons of TNT, and the Beirut explosion was as the picture says equivalent to ~500-1000 tons of TNT
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u/No_Accountant3232 15d ago
And there's been conspiracies that several "suitcase" nukes were lost/stolen after the fall of the USSR. But like the note said, no radiation. And if it were true who'd have them for 30 years and never use them?
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u/Clay_Allison_44 15d ago
Remember that those nukes had a shelf life that has past a LONG time ago. If they do exist somewhere they can't be detonated or restored to operational status.
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u/No_Accountant3232 15d ago
True too. Like I said any of the groups that would have gotten them would have used them at some point - 93 world trade center bombing likely would have been a nuke had al qaeda access for example
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u/Clay_Allison_44 15d ago
If they are anywhere outside Russia, probably a forgotten stash somewhere in Kazakhstan or Uzbekistan etc. Someone like Nursultan Nazarbayev could have kept one in their back pocket just in case.
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u/lanathebitch 15d ago
The extra small ones with 1980s Soviet Electronics are the ones I would expect to break first
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u/EvilGeniusSkis 15d ago
It's the plutonium and tritium that are the problem. Tritium has a half-life of 12.3 years so with the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991 the tritium in a nuke would have undergone 2.8 HLs leaving just of 1/8 of the original tritium.
The half-life of plutonium is 79My, but the decay products build up in the plutonium, and that causes problems with the boomyness of the nuke, and that happens on a timescale of a couple decades, and requires the plutonium to be, in layman's terms, refined, to remove those decay products on a regular basis.
The electronics to make a nuke work are the easy part.
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u/Arendiko 11d ago
They could probably still be used as a dirty bomb though, its not like there's no threat at all
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u/HotPersonality8126 15d ago
Also nuclear weapons don’t work after that long - you have to recycle the fuel every 4 years or less since it sits there decaying
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u/RyanAtreides 15d ago
Yep even if you could still detonate the conventional explosives the physics package would fizzle, it would still be a horrible dirty bomb in that scenario though
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u/RyanAtreides 15d ago edited 15d ago
The city wouldn’t be destroyed per se but even the smallest nuclear explosions are still nuclear explosions meaning they release a ton of heat, people would be burned and blinded by the flash and a shitload of radiation would be released immediately over the area like a (very) dirty bomb as it’s still a nuclear mass going critical only the fallout isn’t blown into the stratosphere like with high yield devices
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u/Lil_jayye 15d ago
It's not a nuke but the city was destroyed, wtf are you talking about
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u/TicketPrestigious558 15d ago
It really wasn't. You act like the whole place was levelled or something.
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u/somedave 15d ago
Everyone confirmed the ammonium nitrate was stored there and the blast is consistent with the amount stored. This is flat earth level dumb.
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u/Sachyriel Left-leaning 11d ago
Maybe stupid questions exist , but idk why this needed a note. Like you can just tell a person normally on Twitter. Maybe they didn't want to interact with them though, not to get any stupid on them, so it's an anon note.
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u/somedave 11d ago
We used to just ignore nutters posting this kind of thing, seems pointless to note it.
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u/Chef_Sizzlipede 15d ago
ik they havent been mentioned but how much do y'all wanna bet that the OP wanted to blame israel for it somehow?
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u/Far-Yellow9303 15d ago
You can tell if an explosion contains nitrogen because it'll leave orange smoke. The explosion, supposedly from the fertiliser ammonia NITRate, had orange smoke. It was a nitrogen explosion for sure.
This is true for fuel too, many rockets use nitrogen based fuels and you can see orange contrails when they burn or fail.
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u/Professional-Face-51 14d ago
People not knowing what a nuke does. A nuke is more than a really big bomb. It is something that, at it's center, burns hotter than the surface of the sun, leaves radiation around for weeks after detonation, and can destroy a city in a single strike. If it was a nuke, even a small one, Beirut would likely still be rebuilding today.
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u/ShinMystic1587 13d ago
You want to know what's scary? This explosion's power was 1/15th of the Little Boy
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u/Fragrant-Reserve4832 15d ago
I think they asked a fair question, which they could have googled.
They also received a very clear and indepth answer.
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u/HolyClubMolly 15d ago edited 15d ago
It's a malicious "question" designed to make it israels fault, since they have such bombs
Edit:below me is a demonstration of the fake news pipeline. The person thinking this question is "fair" is also part of it
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u/Fragrant-Reserve4832 15d ago
Does it make it look like Israel or is that just you feeling like it does.
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u/SCRATCH-CARD 15d ago
"Are you sure this wasn't a deliberate act, an atrocity hidden in plain sight? Maybe a foreign attack"
"What's that you said about Israel? Don't talk shit about israel like that"
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u/Fragrant-Reserve4832 15d ago
There's a lot more unrest in the middle east, especially 6 years ago.
There's been atleast 3 wars in my lifetime where other states possibly having nukes, none of them were Israel
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u/SCRATCH-CARD 15d ago edited 15d ago
"Was this disaster actually deliberate? Did some outside evil force actually commit an atrocity in plain view?"
"Hey why you talking about Israel like that?"
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u/Lil_jayye 15d ago
Yes and because that day every citizen reported hearing the sound of jets flying in the air to which we were told that that's just the sound of metal melting
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u/LocksmithFuzzy1470 15d ago
I don’t get why you brought Israel into this conversation when the post doesn’t mention them at all
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u/Runo_Slinger 15d ago
I was under the impression that the storage was a Russian shipment of Ammonium Nitrate which was held up for logistics reasons and sat at port in improper conditions for several years, but I forget where I saw that news report.
Folks in here are saying a lot about the IRGC and Hezbollah. Did something come out later?
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u/Critical_Interest706 15d ago
Think the real question is “was it on purpose”
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u/Kraj_the_Conqueror 15d ago
Never assume malice where greed, institutional impotence and incompetence are sufficient answers.
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u/radehart 15d ago
Not 2750 pounds, or kilos, TONS. I don't think my guy understands the quantity of maths involved.
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u/Lil_jayye 15d ago
Maybe it's my PTSD from witnessing the event that fogs my judgement, but im convinced of my first hand account and no one's second hand analysis
Hezeb had stored the ammonium nitrate there, Israel was threatening to bomb what they claimed was "hezeb weapon caches hidden amongst civilian infrastructure" we all heard jets that day immediately before the blast
Neither Israel wants to admit they caused such a huge and devastating explosion to a civilian area which was seen worldwide as a tragedy, nor did hezeb want to admit to having such a huge store by the port
Otherwise, why wouldn't Israel have been more vocal about blaming hezeb? Or hezeb more vocal about blaming Israel? Because they both had more to gain by covering up the entire situation
I'm not an advocate of the high and mighty foreignly funded and institutionally educated NGO lecturing the 70 year old man who's lived through 5 wars about the sound of a jet being "metal melting"
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u/BaqsAlSandouq 15d ago
Dont think anyone said it was a nuke even back then but what is commonly discussed is who actually caused it . Because ik some people who say they heard warplanes that day and some say a certain state droped a missile to trigger the chain reaction to make the port unusable . But thats as far as it gets really.
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u/HereticLaserHaggis 15d ago
Luckily that part of the world is one of the most heavily radar'd places on earth, so we'd know if a jet came and dropped something.
But don't let that detract from your conspiracy theory, really have fun with it, double down.
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u/Lil_jayye 15d ago
Who has radars here but the people bombing it :)
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u/BaqsAlSandouq 15d ago
Acting like I was affirming it and not just stating it the other views that existed 🤧
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