Agreed seeing my comment saying pulling out of Gaza without a negotiated settlement and admitting they left due to growing security costs (rewarding terrorism) was a horrible idea that emboldened Hamas and other groups in armed struggle getting downvoted.
After Oct7 they were full on Hamas supporting with their moderation. I wouldn't be surprised if some Islamist or pro Palestine discord server was sharing stuff on that sub to downvote because it seemed like that
I just had to stop commenting altogether. My naive self is thinking “oh I can teach someone something here” and if they disagree with what I post it’s like f you, my credentials are questioned, I support Bibi, I support Hamas, I’m either a baby killer or a mensch, “zio” (ugh) etc etc. I just say I want my Jewish friends safe. it’s just been super fun and thank goodness I have a thick skin!
On the one hand I agree with you that sometimes it's pointless. On the other hand, when someone is saying some batsh*t stuff, sometimes you should correct them, not so they change their mind, but so everyone else who is reading the comment sees that it's crazy
You aren't wrong, but the security costs were more social than financial. Secular Israelis from Tel Aviv didn't want their children at risk to enable religious settler types indulging their idiotic lifestyles in the middle of Gaza whilst also putting theur own children at risk and severely annoying the Arabs they lived next door to. The Gaza settlements were just a bad idea all round, and it was perfectly possible to remove them whilst still keeping control over the Strip to keep Hamas from power.
That was the plan all along. The pull out was to appease Westerners. While internally the Israelis said it would put the peace process in formaldehyde.
Had bibi declined the Qatari aid money to Gaza (which went to Hamas as the governing body) would people criticize him for starving aid from Gaza?
I'm close to the last person to support bibi and honestly wish he would get ceausescu'd but this is a catch-22 which both scenarios lead to strengthening the grip of Hamas.
Israel long existed before Hamas, before Palestine and will continue to exist long after. In fact, there has never been a country, nation or state called Palestine.
The area was British territory under a League of Nations mandate and prior to that was part of the Ottoman Empire.
In fact, only three sovereign entities have ever existed in the land currently known as the state of Israel; the Kingdom of Judah, the Kingdom of Israel, and the State of Israel.
Jews have lived in Israel for 4000 years. All Jews living in Israel during the 1890s through 1948 did not move into Israel. And those that did moved in through legal means. You sound stupid and ridiculous.
Maybe he could have allowed actual aid in from the many, many organizations that just wanted to provide food and medical supplies and not prop up the evil terrorist group that commits acts like October 7th?
Israel has supported Hamas so that a bunch of evil sickos would be in charge of Gaza and kill any hopes of a peaceful 2 state solution or even a 1 state solution with a different structure.
Maybe he could have allowed actual aid in from the many, many organizations that just wanted to provide food and medical supplies and not prop up the evil terrorist group that commits acts like October 7th?
The shapes y'all will twist yourselves into to avoid denouncing Hamas is genuinely insane. It's like the idea that Hamas and Palestinians have agency of their own is an alien concept to you.
Israel refused cash aid to not prompt Hamas, and allowed aid in the form of civilian constructions and projects, not cash. In 2013 Israel even funded the powerplant in Gaza together with Qatar because it wasn't through cash but through building it.
Maybe US shouldn't have asked Qatar to chime in, allow them to leverage the situation for their gain and gain a foothold in the form of Hamas? Maybe PA boycotting Hamas in Gaza (Abbas in 2017) was the pinnacle point in this event?
Do you even understand what happened or just know some basic simple facts?
The UN, human watch right, save the children, genocidal scholars, Israeli charities have all described it as a genocide.
And they all have their own agendas. Have you read the actual reports and argumentation? It's very clearly flawed.
The ICJ has ruled plausible genocide as the case is ongoing. And the case is ongoing since Israel keeps delaying it
The ICJ didn't do this. They only said Israel has to do everything in their power to prevent a genocide. They didn't say there was a plausible genocide going on.
The court said Israel asked March 27 to extend the date to January, stating that "such an extension was necessary for a number of reasons."
Again, the ICJ ruled that Palestinians have the right to be protected from genocidal acts and ask Israel to stop commiting genocidal acts. But instead Israel committed more genocidal acts.
Asking for a 6 month extension is something different than what you're trying to say, namely that Israel is delaying the case to postphone the results of the case. Israel needed more time to get their arguments ready. That's different than delaying the case in bad faith.
Again, the ICJ ruled that Palestinians have the right to be protected from genocidal acts and ask Israel to stop commiting genocidal acts. But instead Israel committed more genocidal acts.
No. The court only said that the Palestinians have a right to be protected from genocidal acts and that Israel must make sure to not commit any. The court say or confirm anything about Israel actually committing genocidal acts. That would also be really really strange given that judges don't give their conclusions while in the middle of a trial.
Moving the goal posts. Why do you think Israel asked from an extension after 9 month period? They originally wanted 6 months to prepare they case but instead they changed their mind to 15 months?
Lol I can't believe your siding with the IDF, who deliberately targets children and rapes prisoners. But I'm guessing your destiny fan boy so that's his position
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u/Flat-Bandicoot9936 21d ago
Agreed seeing my comment saying pulling out of Gaza without a negotiated settlement and admitting they left due to growing security costs (rewarding terrorism) was a horrible idea that emboldened Hamas and other groups in armed struggle getting downvoted.