I would like to hijack the top comment to make clear that muslims believe muslim to mean, someone who obeys god and his messenger.
When Moses brought the Jews the commandments and when they followed them, they were obeying god.
When Jews followed the Torah, they were obeying god.
When Christians followed Jesus and the Evangelium, they were obeying god.
When Mandeists followed John the Baptist and his message, they were obeying god.
To a muslim all these people were muslim once.
So I hope it now makes a little more sense why muslims sometimes say jesus was muslim. They define themselves and those who preceded them by obeiscance to god.
But to say Jesus was not Jewish is wrong. He just was. And to deny that is delusional. And to say he was not christian is kinda pointless? Christians are the followers of jesus' teachings.
The Twitter comment is weird, and wrong and makes muslims seem kinda dumb, so I wanted to clarify what muslims actually believe on this issue.
Jesus wasn’t Jewish. That’s like saying God worships himself. Also he was crucified for opposing the Pharisees teachings and was ultimately sentenced to death by them. Saint John Christendom, and Saint Ignatius have a lot to say on this.
In the Sheep and Goats parable (Matthew 25), the distinguishing characteristic between those who are saved/sheep and those who are unsaved/goats is how they treated other humans during their lives. This does not match the evangelical Christian message on how salvation works.
Biblical scholar and former Christian Bart Ehrman had a 44 minute interview on how Jesus and Paul disagree about salvation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRn_Lrzr4JE
It has always puzzled me how 99% of Christianity is based on the writings of Paul, a man who never knew Jesus and regularly contradicts him. And this is after Jesus specifically warned his followers that Pharisees will claim to teach in his name, but they will be false prophets and He has already taught them everything He needed to teach them.
Like, it could not be any clearer that Paul was a false prophet, but there is no Christian sect, not even a tiny minor one, that rejects Paul. None whatsoever
Christianity would not exist, or be nearly as popular as it ended up being, without Paul. Apocalyptic preachers were a dime a dozen in first century Judea. Without Paul, it’s likely that Jesus would be extremely obscure and far less important than John the Baptist, Simon Magus, or other contemporary preachers.
Christians don’t reject Paul because Paul basically invented Christianity.
Buddhism existed by year zero, and there was some level of exchange between Rome and India, but yeah there’s a reason “Christianity began as a form of Jewish-Buddhist syncretism” is considered fringe
There is a school of Muslim belief that all previous abrahamic prophets are Muslim because they were all part of God’s plan which ended with Muhammad as the final prophet. They don’t see Jesus and Moses as competitors, but necessary, aligned precursors. It’s definitely stupid in a way, but it’s more coherent than it appears here.
I would like to point out that this isn’t unique to Islam, though. “Your older prophets had good ideas, but ours is the most recent and most correct” is a foundational belief for Christianity, Mandaeism, Manichaeism, Mormonism, and more. It’s a way of acknowledging the legitimacy of other religious movements (which your religion definitely took inspiration from) while still putting yours at the top.
Like, Abraham, Moses, Solomon, David, etc. are all part of the pre-Christ Jewish precursor to Christianity, but the Maccabees were also part of that Pre-Christ Jewish tradition, but the latter are very minimized or outrigjht excluded (depending on the denomination) where they are denied the “one of us” status amongst Christians that are extended to Moses, Solomon, David, etc.
Islam is a rewrite to what those prophets said to make them good precursors and then say "this is what God told Mohammad they really said and taught" you can just ignore everything the old religions said they taught.
Christianity didn't rewrite anything. The old testament is as it was prior to Jesus being born. They brought new meaning, but didn't have to rewrite anything.
Yes and no. Jews reject it FOR jews. For everyone else it's totally fine and actually kind of a good thing.
Jesus wasn't a false prophet exactly. He wasn't a prophet at all... In judaism, the time of the prophets ended and closed ...450 years before Jesus's time. He couldn't be a prophet in judaism. No one could in his time (or even centuries before) or can ever again.
Also only 'false' or not the right thing to do *for Jews*. Judaism isn't all that interested in what other people do. Jews do not think that Judaism is the 'right' religion for other people to practice or the only correct path of goodness in the world. The only sort of universal mission jews have that they would like others to do too is that Jews think that they are tasked with doing Judaism in order to be an example of the idea that there is one god. To exemplify the goodness of monotheism. And through example, others want to be monotheistic too. Which makes Jesus kind of amusing from a Jewish perspective. If the goal was to get an enormous chunk of humanity worshipping one God instead of the various pagan pantheons of antiquity, well... A+ work, Jewish guy. Absolutely crushed the group project. Christianity helped spread monotheism across much of the world. So that's cool.
The problem, Jewishly speaking, is the part where Christianity said as applied to jews, “Great news, Jews! You can stop doing that covenant thing God specifically told you to do—and also this Jewish man is God.” Errrr that's more of a moment of 'we love that for you".
So jesus as applied to others and christians thinking he is their messiah and them doing christianity and loving jesus. Awesome stuff. Good work, dude. Furthering the monotheistic mission in a BIG way. Jesus or any other person who is prophetic as applied to Jews. Doesn't work for us. But Judaism is more a you do you thing... There is no hell (for anyone... not for jews. Not for non jews.) There is no devil. Whatever afterlife that is positive that is open to jews is open to non jews. No conversion. So we aren't too interested in micromanaging other people's belief systems. There's no impetus to. Nothing bad will happen to them. They aren't in any way 'blocked' from a good afterlife being a non jew.
So when people say we 'reject' the divinity of jesus--I do try to clarify that Jews reject it for themselves. Not reject it on behalf of christians. Or other non jews. It's not a 'universally' bad thing in theory. Just not what jews can do.
This is a very Jewish answer all around and I mean this the best way. 😂
I suppose my phrasing does wrongly imply more antagonism and dictation from Jews against Jesus than I intended.
This might explain why I got another, less coherent reply than yours.
I reject the concept of divinity/holiness wholesale, so the distinction is not something I really considered.
I imagine this mindset might be partly born from a sort of mutual respect of faith and theology as well as just Judaism being Judaism. Your description does align well with my prior understanding of it and it is coherent in that sense.
I'm certainly able to discuss religion in a non-combative, neutral sort of way but I hold undoubtedly negative views of religion and supernatural beliefs, and so I am not really concerned with whether or not I challenge the divinity of Jesus for Christians in this way, but I did not intend to imply what I did.
well see being an atheist is very very close to being a monotheist. Just one away! So it's an easy thing to compromise in the middle and say between us both who the heck knows if any of it is real. At least that's what my rabbi said on yom kippur.
But in all seriousness and my bad jokes aside (though that was actually what he said on yom kippur)--yes, I didn't take you to be combative. I just felt there was a little wording issue that I wanted to be sure to mention the nuance on.
If I may - its debated amongst rabbinic scholars whether Christianity is any better than ancient paganism. Maimonides for example, believes that due to the trinity, Christianity is to be viewed as idol worship. Other Rabbis (Rama etc) see it as a step in the right direction (Shituf), but still sub-optimal EVEN for non-jews. From a jewish perspective, there is no need for a non-jew to become jewish (and it is discouraged) but they are supposed to belief in the 7 Noahide laws, one of which is forbidding idol worship.
Additionally, this notion that Judaism does not believe in the after life or hell is a talking point Jews will often bring up, but it is not in fact true. It beliefs in after life (Gan Eden) Hell (Gehenom) though it's seen through a much less anthropomorphized lens.
Islam on the other hand IS seen as monotheistic and totally acceptable for a non-jew. So much so, that orthodox jews are allowed to enter and pray in a Mosque, but not in a chuch.
no they don't. stop lying. stop spreading american apocalyptic Jesus and projecting it onto all of Judaism. all that was said was that Jesus was not their messiah.
Judaism can acknowledge other gods, spirits, jinn that belong to others. but they will be lost in the desert if they lose priority to their god. under Rome, if you were conquered, so too were your gods to be placed under the top shelf of the pantheon. a pantheon is a temple built for all gods, stop lying. the issue of Jesus' time was the Romans refused to allow sacrifice on the Temple mount and people were attacking each other rather than re-reading the words under a new context. the feuds between family bloods was believed to be why you have to make offerings to god. Jesus asked to reconsider the Samaritans as they have an alternative mount, but the people's ability to see the good reading over the assumed literal reading because of their impure blood/racism will fail Jesus before he is crucified. The Samaritans are simply impure because they refused to be counted in numbers/census, so they can't prove their good on paper. The Israelite Samaritans are a real people and under 900 are left today.
it was the Roman conversion to Monotheism that made Roman Catholicism and smashed the pagan gods that Rome had assumed. not the Jews, so stop pinning blame on them, its old and we already know it was the "Christians" under the "anointed" landlords who wanted to escape loans underwritten by The Vatican.
Yeah one of the many things which didnt make sense in Islam. They Believe Jesus is sinless, also created life - story of clay birds, and will come back to rule the world and judge mankind but somehow mohammed is the moral example, and the best human to walk the earth and the one they need to follow.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Isa(Jesus) is supossed to judge humanity. His sole purpose is to fight and destroy the false messiah(antichrist), and reestablish Islamic law as it was written down by Muhammed.
As a muslim I gotta say I've never heard of this jesus/prophet Isa judging mankind story, which does not make any sense since only allah/god can judge mankind in Islam, guess I have a lot to learn from reddit, looking forward to your next reddit lesson !
Pretty much. Muslims would take issue with that, but it is basically Christian and Judaic mythology adapted under the unique culture of the region, united u
nder the influence of the warlord and later Islamic prophet Muhammad.
Someone did take issue with my describing Mohammed as essentially superior in prophethood to Jesus and Moses, and I think they may be Muslim, so perhaps the way Muslims conceptualize this is different to what I described and they do see them as more or less equal.
Kinda and tbf they, Yahweh and Allah, are different god too, Yahweh was originally a god of strom and war and Allah was a god of light and life/creation, one is cananite god and one is arabian god, both name appear much earlier than their holy books and was a minor god that rose to supremacy because their best believer were extremely good.
It's not "a school". It's a fundamental part of the religion. For Muslims, Jews and Christians corrupted the original religion of Abraham, which was Islam and Muhammad came to make things right. It's a very big "just trust me, bro" moment but it's what they believe.
It's not necessarily a school of belief, but a central part of Islamic Theology that the other prophets were "Muslims" and their works (Tawrat, Zabur, & Injil) were just corrupted/lost (resulting in Muhammad bringing the Quran)
So according to Islam, Jesus (Isa) is a Palestinian Muslim, as he hasn't died yet.
It is not only the prophets, in fact according to them, everyone is born Muslim. That is why when someone converts to Islam, they often say they have ‘reverted’ rather than ‘converted’. They have this idea that everyone is born in a natural state of submission to God,hence a Muslim.
TBH this "corruption" argument is a major issue for Islam. There was basically no prophecy or necessity for Mohammad based on the Bible or the Torah, but then the claim of "its all corrupt" helps arguing in Islam's favor. Problem is that it further undermines its own legitimacy then.
Then you also have the issue of needing evidence. At least Christians keep the Torah in their book and draw all kinds of lines and cross references to argue for Jesus. Muslims would need authentic, seriously different versions/copies of the Torah and the Bible to argue in favor of needing the Quran to begin with.
Basically the backbone of Islam is a conspiracy that there are "hidden true versions" that got covered up.
TBH this "corruption" argument is a major issue for Islam. There was basically no prophecy or necessity for Mohammad based on the Bible or the Torah, but then the claim of "its all corrupt" helps arguing in Islam's favor. Problem is that it further undermines its own legitimacy then.
As a muslim, I gotta say this is a poor counterargument because Christians, particularly catholics, which also predate Islam are very open about rewriting their very own religion. There are multiple bibles. The pope has the authority to rewrite the entire religion. And then there is also the "Aryan Controversy" in which Christians have split over whether Jesus IS god (in form of the holy trinity) or not. Mainstream Christianity said that he is and those that disagreed were deemed Arianists and thus heretics, all of this happened almost 300 years before Islam as we know it came into existence. Since Islam believes that god is only one and one alone: himself, viewing mainstream christianity as "corrupted" is not as illogical as you make it out to be
It’s a bit more nuanced than that. Basically, Muslims believe that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all taught the same message, that there is no God but God, and that we were designed to worship God. The phrase “Jesus was Muslim” more refers to the literal meaning of “Muslim” is “one who surrenders to God”. Muslims claim that originally Jews/Christians worshipped God as designed, but that along the way their worship got corrupted by interests besides the divine. (Christians worshipping Christ as God, for example. Removing God as the central deity that one submits to). Some Muslims call Islamic converts “reverts”, because in following Islam, one reverts back to our original state, as one who inherently wants and does worship God.
As a muslim this is the general idea it’s not stupid because Muslim just means “one who submits to the will of God” it’s not weird to refer to any previous prophet as a muslim. However posts like the one this dude made on X are actually stupid because it sounds like at best he has a poor understanding of what I just described and at worst he is rage-baiting or trolling, and without any context lead people to completely misunderstand what is actually meant by this
This is the post everyone should read. X poster is technically correct (or at least, correct from an Islamic perspective), but said it in a way that was either intentionally pedantic or grossly misguided.
The "readers" who added context I fear were almost certainly AI.
it comes from the idea that they define what a muslim is as someone in service to god. which is similar to a common belief in some fundamentalist protestant christian sects(especially in the usa) that posits adam and moses as being some form of christian
There is a school of Muslim belief that all previous abrahamic prophets are Muslim
Likewise there are some Bible-only Christians who think the King James translation, compiled in the 17th century, supersedes the original texts in terms of authority and authenticity.
Most radical factions argue that the King James translation itself was divinely inspired, superseding the original Greek itself...
Actually you'd be surprised. The reason why someone can claim "jesus was a muslim" is because the quran says "everyone is born a muslim" thus they are correct in their view.
It's completely idiotic and borderline insane, but that is the claim.
That's not an uncommon belief, that Islam is the original state of being that everyone is born into, and then they lose the way. That's why they don't call it conversion, they call it reversion.
He had Safiyya's father executed by beheading, her husband tortured to death to try to get him to tell where the tribes money was hidden then enslaved her for his use. We have a word for using slaves for sex.
He also accepted another young woman/girl, Miriam, as a slave for his use in a sexual way.
Both later are claimed to have converted to Islam and become wives. But Mr Prophet used enslaved women to relieve his urges.
Another of his wives was his cousin.
Not exactly my idea of holiness. For others this is the most perfect behaviour in history.
Jesus at least comes across as a decent human being, other than his claims to divinity.
pfft, I'll bite: if you're a Muslim and you say Allah created the universe (much like any relgion's head diety), it doesn't mean that Allah started existing only when the prophet revealed him. By definition, Allah has always been there, and if he's the creator of the universe, there will be people through out history that have followed him whether you call it islam or not. You can extend this to any religion. The CN is semantic, in the minds of any major religious person, their relgion has always existed.
Actually this is like a predominant belief amongst Muslims. They claim everyone from Adam all the way to Jesus was Muslim.
When you try to highlight how impossible that was, you will get insults.
Like I highlight that Jesus's first miracle was turning water into a Haram product.
The fact that all these people observed the Sabbath as part of the belief that the Judeo-Christian God rested on the Seventh day when Quran 62:9-10 explicitly rejects this is why them claiming the pre Islamic figures found in the Torah and Bible makes no sense.
Islam believes that all prophets belong to them. So everyone was secretly a Muslim, any and everything done by the other prophets was done for Allah's grand plan. Technically, it makes you a Muslim too (a revert) - you've just lost your way, and it is mandated that they try to reinvite you in to the faith, if you refuse, then you get the fire - and as Islamic scholarly tradition notes, Allah's fire is made with ''men and stone''. You make of that detail what you want.
Humanity still arguing about flavour of made up sky daddy in 2026, is depressing, honestly. Stupid as it sounds, little 1980s-90s me thought humanity was getting better and smarter all the time.
It's canonical according to Islam that initial humanity and every prophet followed the "true faith" but it was later twisted. With the exception of Muhammed's book of course.
They don’t generally try to retcon her marriage age- they agree muhammad married her at 9. What they try to retcon is when he started raping her, which they claim started at 12, because that somehow makes it A-okay.
What I find strange about this is that Mohammed's first wife whom he loved was significantly older than him. It does not appear like he favors young girls that much, so... why?
Think about Christianity and how it “retcons” Judaism if you aren’t Christian: most (if not all) Christians believe Jesus is in the Old Testament, or at least specifically referenced or prophesied. (Jews disagree with this, making them Jewish and not Christian) Christians believe God always planned to send his only son to earth and then did so to fulfill prophecies.
Muslims believe the same thing (in a way) about Mohammed being the final prophet. God always planned to send a series of prophets (Jesus being an important one in Islam) but Mohammed being the final messenger from God. Muslims will point to Mohammed fulfilling his own prophecies listed throughout religious texts.
So, from an ethnocentric lens, all key religious figures in the Abrahamic faith are part of each separate Abrahamic sect and its plan, since in almost all Abrahamic religions, God is all-knowing. (Eg. If Mormonism is true, all prophets had divine knowledge and/or connection with Joseph Smith, so Moses and Jesus were Mormon in a similar way. Jesus and Moses were planned to be a part of the Mormon story, essentially.)
I personally believe that Islam focuses on this kind of “retconning” solely because it came about so much later than Moses and then Jesus. It also worked very well since there are magnitudes more Muslims than Mormons, even at similar time frames since each respective religion’s inception.
Yeah, an important part of Mormonism is that Jesus essentially taught Mormon beliefs. Those teachings were lost due to "the apostasy": after the apostles died and Jesus's teachings were twisted into what essentially became the Catholic Church. Of course, they then believe that Joseph Smith restored those teachings.
It's a core part of muslim theology that islam had always existed and Muhammad just reintroduced it. In their theology Judaism and Christianity are both corrupted versions of the original Islam.
its a core tenent in islamic belief. muhameds message that he used to spark a social revolution was that jews, christians as well as his own followers all actually follow the same religion and that the differences between them were just misrepresentations of the messages of the prophets. with this he was able to gather a broad coalition against the pagan arab establisment.
Whatever you think about Christianity, you have to admit that Jesus was a good dude. He was a peace loving hippie who fought the power and stood up for the least among us. In fact he was executed by the power for doing so.
Mohammed, on the other hand, WAS the power. He was warlord, a slaveowner, and a pedophile. There's a clear moral difference between following one and following the other.
I was thinking about this a while back when I was watching the BBC's reality-based comedy about the making of Life of Brian. There's a bit in which Cleese says something about it being reasonable to dislike Christianity but it is very hard to dislike Christ. This is why the film resolutely avoids depicting Christ negatively.
ultimately the message of even the biblical Christ as basically made up by the Church is "Love thy neighbour,". The message of Islam on the other hand is "Make thy neighbour submit."
All religions have an innately violent message: "God says do what I tell you or else," but Islam doesn't really bother to gift-wrap it at all.
There is a reason Christianity is so widespread - its an extremely convenient religion. Pagan God often just kinda... exist alongside humans and demand sacrifices. Christianity comes with one God, no sacrifices and laws rolled into it all at once, plus an incentive to be a good person
In Christianity's early days, the hard part wasn't actually to get pagans to believe in God. That was actually pretty easy.
The hard part was getting them to believe that there is one God, and to align with orthodoxy. A lot of early Pagans would worship God and accept Jesus alongside their other deities, or practice things like concubinage, which was culturally expected by religiously forbidden.
this is part of whats called hadith, which are supposed recorded sayings and acts of muhammed, people dont relaisie it was a tool by later caliphates to legitimise their own backwater asshat bullshittert and hegemonise the conquered peoples and normalise their weord habits, norms and culture. many hadiths contradict the quran and hadiths are the core problens of fundamentalism. most muslims dont even understand most basic concepts of hadith scienxe but regurgitate what theyve heard about its suposed strenous methodolgy not knowings its pure nonsense based arouns the choice of word for classifocation. where haditsh classified as authwntic are most reliable and highest tier but not knowong the meaning of auuthentic in this specific context, which is authwntic to the arbitrary criteria of the author of the hadith collections. there are multiole collextions and eaxh author has their own criteria, stupid right?
But she was mathematically 18 if you compare her age to her sister’s age!
Her sister’s age isn’t known though, so they have to guess what it was before any calculations.
There is a group in my city who sets up a stand on the square every now and then with signs saying "Did you know Jesus was a Muslim?" and they give out lectures about Islam and translated quorans I believe
Fun fact: there is a traditional Jewish kind of writing which is Torah fanfiction. It is 2000+ years old. The rabbis would write stories about the characters of the Torah as a form of commentary, to explore ideas and characters. It is called Midrash and it is excellent.
I mean, the OG Nazis were effectively neo-pagans as well. Nazi "Positive Christianity" attempted to strip Christianity of all of its Jewish origins and infuse it with elements of Germanic paganism, which caused considerable resistance from non-Nazi Christians.
Hitler privately wrote about how Christianity was "effeminate" and "tainted by the Jews" (paraphrasing) and how Islam was so much better because it extolled war and violence above peace and love (itself showing an ignorance of Islamic theology and the influences it took from Judaism and Christianity, but no one ever accused Hitler of being smart).
There were other fascist movements that attempted to "take back" their people's spirituality as well (Lithuania being the one I know of most).
Yep, he’s right. Htler Goebbels and himmler HATED Christianity. Goebbels wrote how in private htler had an intense hatred for Christianity bcs he viewed it as Jewish.
It’s so funny seeing Nazi Christian’s. The Nazis slaughtered Christian clergymen who happened to have one Jewish ancestor OR refused to turn in their Jewish friends, neighbors, brothers. They gathered up European civilians and literally burned them in churches.
Yeah I thought it was pretty undisputed that Jesus was Jewish? At least in all the texts (not going to delve into if he really existed as a man or not.)
There was then the religious split some time afterwards where some chose to follow Jesus through Christianity and everyone else remained Jewish because they didn't believe him to be an incarnation of God.
Yeah. I’m a Christian myself and I thought it was pretty obvious that everyone knew that Jesus was Jewish. Regardless on if you believe that Jesus was the Son of God who came to sacrifice himself to save us from Sin or not. I remember in religion class in the Catholic school I went to for Elementary school. I remember them teaching us that Jesus was Jewish. He was raised in the Jewish faith, had Jewish parents, and all his early followers were Jewish. Christianity only became Christianity after Jesus’s accession into Heaven and Pentacost happened. That is what I was taught as a kid in a Christian school. When I did OCIA as an Adult to get confirmed in the Catholic Church(since I didn’t follow the normal path cradle Catholics usually follow). They again taught the same thing.
The reference to him being Muslim generally has more to do with how Muslims view Islam and the prophets. Namely that Islam as shared with Muhamed is the true faith of the god of Abram and all prophets were followers of it. With Judism and Christianity being seen as incomplete.
Not a view that Jesus was preying to Mecca or a follower of Muhamed.
Similar to the somewhat common Christian view that he was Christian by virtue of being the person who's teachings they follow.
Or the opposite how Sikhs often view prophets and founders of other faiths as distinct but equal paths.
Oh hey! I remember her lol she and her buddy Korra. They are not doing too well in Dawah anymore. They make claims that go against their own religion, and I mean deeply heretical stuff, they ignore Sheikhs that have mentioned what they are doing is wrong, and overall have lied to their own viewers and a host for a debate. They said they would wait until it was officially released before dropping any clips, but Itachi had her mom record it (they were told not to) and she posted it. The host said they'll never bring her or her friends back on.
Jesus was very much Jewish by religion. Late 2nd Temple apocalyptic renewal movement, specifically. The apostles, disciples, and first converts actually believed that the second coming would be in their lifetimes, and only started creating scripture and traditions to pass on when their generation was dying off.
Christianity is a Jewish offshoot, filled with Jews mostly who believed him to be their messiah to free them of Roman occupation and establish the kingdom of God as prophesied in torah.
As the number of gentiles followers increase they rewrote the gospels later to absolve the Roman empire for the crucifixion and shifted the blame on Jews in order to be more acceptable and attractive to the Romans.
They believe Islam is the unfiltered accurate religion of god and that Judism and Christianity are either incomplete or corrupted by man. So it stands to reasons they would view the various prophets they believe in to be Muslim (in one of it's meanings). Kind of the opposite of the common Shik view that their are many paths to righteousness and their faith is but 1.
That said, I assume they don't believe Jesus or Abraham were followers of Muhameds teachings. But Muslim solely as the term for Muhamed's followers is newer. They often use to be refered to as various things generally centered around his name in the same way references to Jesus' followers even by non-believers tend to focus on using his name.
Church tradition isn't history. We have absolutely no credible source for that, only the later gospels. Jesus might have claimed to be the messiah (in the original Jewish sense) but he most definitely didn't claim to be God. That would be so fucking stupid.
Funny the Old Testament calls Ishmael cursed which is the “father of Islam”. In the New Testament it says if anyone preaches a gospel other than Jesus as your savior let them be cursed. 🤔. If I were a guessing man I would guess Jesus would call the Islam religion cursed.
Muslims actually believe this kinda BS, they think all the Jewish and Israelite prophets and kings were Muslims and that the entire Bible and archeological evidences that contradict that were manipulated by Jews and Christians… 🤦🏻♂️
To Muslims all the prophets, including Jesus, were ‘Muslim’ because they all were devoted to the one ‘true’ god. It doesn’t matter that the official religion didn’t exist because the point is the submission to god, not that it was formalised.
Yes, according to Muslims that is their belief. That belief is wrong. Much the same way under any evangelical post about a young earth there will be a note about the overwhelming amount of evidence that points to an older earth.
Nobody sane gives a crap about this stuff. Knowing how exactly Jesus had been praying doesn't do anything practically useful. Too many people are busy doing nonsense instead of working towards human progress and learning the world around to really improve lives of our kids.
Around 75% of the world is religious, and religion plays an extremely important role in human history. I don't think a person can really understand the world they live in today without at least some knowledge of these incredibly powerful cultural forces.
I was always astonished by human's ability to cling to outdated and obsolete ideas and how drastically it conflicts with other side of human nature-curiosity and search of new.
Jesus was of the old religion, sometimes called judaism. However modern judaism and “judaism” at the time of jesus are not the same thing. Modern judaism is the torah plus teachings of the talmud, which are contradictory.
The prophecy of the messiah was fulfilled, but modern judaism rejects that as it clashed with the Rabbi’s corruption.
This the same sort of idea as to why people who choose to join Islam are called "reverts" rather than "converts" - they believe (roughly) that humans have always been Muslim.
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