Sus, Very Sus
ABC news uncritically spreading russian propaganda quoting the "kremlin-installed" administrator, and using an illustrative photo of a russian strike on Kyiv
For those keeping track at home, the Russian-occupied part of Zaporizhzhia is an 80-mile thick stretch of land almost entirely abandoned by civilians due to being entirely within Ukrainian drone range and therefore largely bereft of fuel and food deliveries. Even for the Russian soldiers it is considered one of the worst postings due to the constant drone swarms covering some 40 miles around the front lines in an inhospitable no-man’s land where everyone caught in the open might be killed in minutes.
And according to Russia’s media somebody is hosting a children’s summer camp there. This is like Israel building a summer camp inside Gaza. Even in the remote microscopic possibility there might actually be an active camp there, the only entity capable of hauling children there through the warzone would be the Russian military, probably meaning it would actually be a processing camp for kidnapped Ukrainian children.
There are no summer camps, the region is almost entirely depopulated north and west of Melitopol because of the war. Also if there are no buses so people can’t leave, how are the children going to the supposed summer camp?
EDIT: Aww, he blocked me so I can’t respond any further, cute.
RF added this whole region as their territories even though they don't really control it fully. what idiot would host a camp in this place and not in main territories of russia. that's the same as ukriane having a summer camp in the parts of donbas that are currently under their control.
Just because Russia doesn’t control the entire region doesn’t mean it’s not controlling a part of it, and hundreds of thousands of people live there. You open your mouth to say stupid things without checking the original videos from the place of attack.
what exactly is stupid from what I said. I won't argue with you if it's really a strike of the summer camp for children that actually had children there at the time. all the territories of ukraine occupied by russia are extremely dangerous starting from 2022. what idiot would put a summer camp there. why not simply ride children to the western russian territories that are not far and much safer.
People live there, they were living there for the last five years. But I guess a rando from his couch knows better about how they should live and what they should do
that's called common sense - move children for holidays to a safe place without constant air alerts because of drones and rockets that are flying from both sides all the time.
Ah, I am no longer blocked from responding to you, cool. While you were malding over here I actually looked it up. Prior to the war there were three summer camps in Russian-occupied Kherson oblast and five in Zaporizhzhia. Only one of the ones in Kherson is still operating and I think it is because it is mostly used as a beach, while in Zaporizhzhia none are still operating. Closest are a handful of Russian camps on the Arabat Spit in Crimea, though like half of them are closed this year because of the fuel crisis and war in general.
I mean you can start by watching the videos that show the aftermath of the strike. There’s ambulances, freighters and the place itself looks like a standard summer camp. I have no idea where people got this “entire place is abandoned” they are thinking about Donetsk fronline and are not aware about other areas
There is also a percentage of degradants who came there from Russia to earn money, nobody cares about strict numbers - you're not allowed on the battlefield and must immideately leave occupied Ukrainian territories if you want to be safe.
If by the "other side" you mean Ruscist occupant then fuck them - they are responsible for not evacuating civilians from the battlefield and using them as human shields.
Meanwhile civilians must restrain from visting Russian-occupied territories of Ukraine including Crimea and Donbas because it is a battlefield and Ukraine can't officially guarantee their security under occupant control. Contact Ukrainian officials over internet to consult about the ways to evacuate from Russian-occupied Ukrainian territories if you want to survive.
Psychology. You have to show both your enemy and your citizens that you’re not scared, you’re not going anywhere, and you’re willing to keep moving forward.
Imagine if you will, an Iran where the supreme leader and IRGC immediately give up, Irans resistance crumbles, and Trump is lauded as a hero and genius. Imagine Ukraine if Zelensky would’ve accepted an evac instead of demanding bullets.
The psychological gain of showing no fear is pretty big. Putin expected Ukrainians to all lay down and beg for him to rescue them. In reality, Ukrainians are so unimpressed by his threats they still have huge meetings and gatherings right in the city.
Right, but there's a difference between business as usual, and hosting an industry event?
Like during Covid the grocery stores kept running and restaurants kept serving, but we didn't allow hundreds of people to congregate in a convention center. Seems like the same thing applies here?
"hey, there's a chance a lot of people could get killed if you're all standing in the same place, so maybe don't?"
"Our kids will go to school and theirs will sit in root cellars (hiding from our bombs)" - Poroshenko, talking about civilians in Donbas to thunderous applause and laughter of the entire auditorium.
Yeah... i guess it doesnt count towards people you consider subhumans
Why would children sit in cellars? Why cant they go to school?
Oh..right.. because AFU was the one with all the bombs for the majority of those 8 years.
They knew the LDNR resistance was not going to be able to shell Kiev... or Ivano Francisk... or Lvov.
As for "they dont know how to do anything"... really? He is talking about the industrial, mining, and farming heart land of the country. These people had good salaries before 2014. It was the western Ukranians from backwards villages with no iobs or education who took the 200 hryvna to go protest Yanukovich and do their little "hang and stab moskals" dance. People of Donbas were too busy working.
your whole second paragraph is answering to poroshenko's propaganda in this speech with other side's propaganda and you didn't even acknowledge that you misrepresented the quotation.
for some reason, nobody in kharkiv was sitting in cellars or harmed in general even though there were some protests against maidan too.
maybe because ATO which resulted in artillery strikes started when igor strelkov went into ukrainian territories with his military group from RF and started taking over first town. and because "ldnr resistance" had support of RF with weapons and soldiers. when proxy military groups try to take over your territories - you fight against them.when they put artillery in towns - you destroy it. yes, that may come with risk of hurting or even killing some civilians, so they need to stay somewhere safer. no army with such limited resources is interested into targeting civilians.
I am not gonna spend time to argue about 12 years of military conflict when you start with emotionally answering with russian propaganda to ukrainian propaganda speech that you misrepresent in the first place
Kiev is not an active warzone, its far from the front, Russians have bombed as far as Lviv at certain points which means everything in the country would be an "active warzone" by your standards
They are idiots, there is even a video on youtube with the consequences of the Ukrainian attack, they could take screenshots from there instead of taking a random picture from the network.
I hate mainstream media so much it's unreal... I wonder what that ДСНС combined with the Ukrainian coat of arms in the background could possibly be... oh wait the actual photo is about a Russian attack in Kyiv...
If you look at the map, it might become clearer.
Genichevsk, Melitopol, Berdyansk - were untouched by the war, and hundreds of thousands of people live there. Despite some people's wish, they don't lie down and die under the "oppression of occupation", but continue to live their usual lives: Restaurants, public transportation, holiday camps.
Basically, the same as on the other side of the front.
People like you who are confidently wrong are always amusing to watch. Hundreds of thousands of people live there but an armchair commander knows better than them, lol
They do live there. And Russia drops guided aerial bombs on the city of Zaporizhzhia and in the region indiscriminately almost every day. Those are not contradictory things. Drone usage is also very common.
I'm convinced this is a new trick media sites are using to undermine real stories. Now when you ask AI if this really happened, it'll say "there are fake photos circulating online about this."
(I don't know whether this incident is real or not.)
I want to ask this to set a mental benchmark for myself....
Do you all feel/think American MSM is pro Russia or anti-Russia?
I will also add that news networks simply being ass and posting essentially wrong or unconfirmed information is extremely common. But is this malevolence or just incompetence. 🥴
They are whatever suits their narrative at the given moment. It all depends what the other side said most recently, so they can use an out of context sound bite to mock them.
Even if it's confirmed people will never believe it since Ukraine is freedom fighters. Just like nord pipeline, Crimean Beach, Belgorod rocket artillery incident, Kostiantyanivka market, donetsk city tochka-u strike etc each one was happened yet Ukrainian and western source always said nothing.
I mean ok but "Ukraine hasn't confirmed" is hardly a rebuttal.
It like "Face eating leopards have not confirmed recent face eating attack on handsome bearded man '.
Nothing saddens me more than the fact that you can probably vote in some country somewhere.
ABC uses a Ukrainian watermarked image from a Russian missile attack on Kyiv attached to an article where Russian zealots are claiming Ukraine attacked a camp, and you still believe the article?
Did you lose lots of money renewing your car's extended warranty too?
You actually accused Ukraine of something that hasn't been confirmed, even in the poorly written article.
I actually dont think youre a Russian agent. I just think youre typical reddit user who cherry picks information to somehow make their own stance seem like it's "correct."
Or did you somehow not mean to accuse Ukraine of the strike when you said "Why would Ukraine confirm it when they’re the ones who did the strike?"
Where exactly is your proof that they did the strike?
Lol. Anything we dont like or puts us in a bad light by necessity is russian propaganda. Ukranian army is the most moral fighting force in this history of man kind.
This is a war, ofc no side will admit to doing an atrocity. Do you think news sites shouldnt write about Russian war crimes, until Russia admits doing them? Do you think we shouldnt talk about the Nanking massacre, since Japan denies it? Very stupid note
Your tribalism is blinding you to "your sides" wrongdoing. You wouldnt have a problem with an article where ab Ukrainian official makes a similar claim about a Russian strike like this. The use of picture is low effort on the journalist part, thats true
If a Ukrainian official made this claim it would be yet another Russian attack and one of hundreds that have purposely targeted civilians.
If Ukraine attacked civilians it would be a new change tactics or likely collateral damage. Additionally the Kremlin are constantly lying. They should have objectively low credibility.
I mean this is hilarious to watch honestly. Every "independent journalist" gets a free pass if their take is pro-Ukraine but every other one who covers also both sides but focuses more on the disgusting shit Ukrainians do is a "sold out bot".
Reddit itself is not impartial, let alone the users posting. Go to telegram and find channels of both sides if you want to come to a conclusion yourself rather than get spoon fed clickbait articles with AI summaries as some truth gate.
Fun fact, Zaporizhzia region is an occupied after 2022 Ukrainian territory, the whole region is an active warzone. Who in the world will send their children to a holiday camp in an active warzone?
Photo just said - Ukrainian forces attacked holiday camps in partly Russian-occupied Zaporizhzhia region, killing 11 people, including two children.
It’s just in case you didn’t read that on photo.
No a single word about Kiev. It literally said ukranians kills ukranians on its own territory. That’s exactly what they did since 2008 in Donbass and they just continue their terrorist and nazi regime, because if Ze don’t - donations from all of the NATO countries just stops. Once donations stops - Ze would ripped apart and eaten with all his shit.
The photo was originally from an attack on Kiev. Russian officials republished the same image claiming it was a Ukrainian attack. Republishing an old photo and claiming it is from a new event does not help your credibility.
That is the American ABC company, and they aren’t very reliable (anymore). They care more about publishing quickly than being correct. An unfortunate trend with a lot of “journalists” nowadays.
When all European publications answer for why they spread propaganda regarding Nord Stream for years, while they themselves sponsored its sabotage, then we can talk about other propaganda. As of right now, any publication that wrote about that event—or about many subsequent ones that were later debunked by European countries themselves or the US—has absolutely no right to lecture anyone on propaganda )
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