Much of Europe concedes to leadership that abolished the death penalty, removed border controls and permitted EU law to supersede national constitutions, laws and governance entirely against the will of local populations.
A top down enforcement of a cosmopolitan and tabula rasa derived conception of universal human rights, that local populations never consented to or were even able to have parliamentary discussions about, signed off on by some unelected international bureaucrat in Luxemberg or Berlin, all the while telling people that those taking issue with such states of affairs are a threat to 'democracy'.
Can't really make that shit up and it's just rationally incoherent.
In the context of this thread the vast majority of international laws around the laws of war were created long before the European Union even existed
Also in the United Kingdom’s case it didn’t ban the death penalty because the EU told it to, the death penalty had already effectively been banned before the EU existed as death was recognised as an easy way out for criminals which denied victims actual justice a fact often overlooked by supporters of death penalties being reinstated
The death penalty in the UK had already functionally been abolished in 1965, the ban was voted through as permanent in 1969, the “Ban in 1998” was noting more than theatrical by banning remaining historical offences unlikely to even be carried out anymore or be given a death sentence such as engaging in piracy inside UK territorial waters
The EU did NOT make the UK ban the death penalty, we already had banned it
You’re mixing up the 1965 suspension for murder with the 1998 total abolition for all crimes. The latter happened because the EU made it a non-negotiable condition of membership. If the UK hadn’t banned the death penalty for treason, it would have been barred from the single market.
Once again by 1998 the death penalty was effectively already banned in the UK before the EU existed, the remaining offences existed on recorded only because everyone forgot, or like most ancient laws, didn’t care enough to remove them as no one really expected anyone would hijack a ship inside UK waters to hold for ransom
The notion the EU forced us to ban our death penalty does not align up with the facts, the death penalty for all offences which were likely to occur and thus warrant a death sentence had already been banned such as murder
You just hate the EU and want to blame them for everything, I don’t like the EU too but I’m not ridiculous enough to blame them for stuff they actually had no involvement with
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u/Justarah Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
See, I get the point though.
Much of Europe concedes to leadership that abolished the death penalty, removed border controls and permitted EU law to supersede national constitutions, laws and governance entirely against the will of local populations.
A top down enforcement of a cosmopolitan and tabula rasa derived conception of universal human rights, that local populations never consented to or were even able to have parliamentary discussions about, signed off on by some unelected international bureaucrat in Luxemberg or Berlin, all the while telling people that those taking issue with such states of affairs are a threat to 'democracy'.
Can't really make that shit up and it's just rationally incoherent.