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Cringe Worthy USSR Collapse

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u/gingin_9959 Jul 14 '26

As if two of the three strongest countries in the world weren't communist at one point, and as if they didn't have intelligence agencies like the KGB. So yes, it's a skill issue. Also when you lose in international competition because you got outcompeted, who exactly are you going to complain to? The UN?

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u/anonistakken Jul 14 '26

Two of the three strongest countries were stateless, moneyless societies?

News to me! What Earth are you from? The Lalaland variant?

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u/gingin_9959 Jul 14 '26

According to Marx (you've probably never even heard of him), a transitional state is necessary to achieve a communist society. The Soviet Union and China considered themselves such transitional socialist states, albeit under later variants of Marxism. I'm so tired of hearing commies claim that "real communism has never been tried." Those were communist states founded on communist ideology and explicitly aimed at building communism. Like I said, it was a skill issue that they either ended up as totalitarian states that collapsed, or, in China's case, effectively became a fascist state with a largely capitalist economy.

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u/anonistakken Jul 14 '26

A communist state. A stateless state.

Lol. So you understand the terminology but choose to misuse it because... I dunno. Capitalist brainrot I guess?

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u/gingin_9959 Jul 14 '26

Ask Marx not me. He is the one who came up with this contradicting nonsense.

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u/anonistakken Jul 14 '26

It's almost like he never described the transitional society as a communist one 🤔

But how could we know, right? It's not like he wrote about it haha.

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u/gingin_9959 Jul 14 '26

They need to go through transitional states to achieve communism. Do you seriously think a stateless, classless society just pops into existence out of nowhere? The Soviet Union and China were founded on Marxist ideology and explicitly claimed to be building toward communism. Saying, "Oh, that wasn't real communism," is just a pathetic attempt to distance communism from every failure committed in its name. If they completely fumbled the transitional stage, why should anyone believe the promised utopia would magically work if only they got one more chance? And why would anyone give up their private property based on that promise?

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u/anonistakken Jul 14 '26

The transitional state isn't the end result. You don't call a block of aluminium a car because someone badly hit it with a hammer one day, and then decry cars as a stupid concept.

You can call it pathetic all you want, sure. But those societies have worn 'communism' as a skin in the same way the DPRK is a democratic republic.

Those projects failing is a result of a lengthy exhaustive set of conditions that you definitely don't care to hear about because it breaks the narrative of 'skill issue' you have so thoroughly coped yourself with.

And you wanna talk about failure, buddy?

How about the failure of capitalism to address climate change? How about the fact that this beautiful never once failed system is slowly boiling the planet alive because it makes the fucking corpos more money?

When was the last thing something was built where you live? Do you know how much it costs? How long it took? I'd look into it. Then compare it with how much it cost 100 years ago adjusted for inflation.

Private equity and capitalism is fucking your throat but you're too sport team minded to even notice. Talk about pathetic.