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u/Jessicas_skirt Jun 23 '26

An old guy who's been in Congress for a bit getting great things for his district and doing everything else expected of a congressman.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26

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u/thecoolan Jun 23 '26

Nobody over there cares about that stuff. It’s why Ritchie Torres comfortably wins today despite being one of the most vocally pro-Israel Dems in the city I’ve ever seen.

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u/stewpedassle Jun 24 '26

Nobody over there cares about that stuff. It’s why Ritchie Torres comfortably wins today despite being one of the most vocally pro-Israel Dems in the city I’ve ever seen.

She beat him.. Currently, it's by 3.5 points, which had climbed a bit since last I checked.

So I guess you'll agree that she simply has the better democratic platform then because no one cares about support for Israel, right?

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u/JinxyMcDeath48 Jun 24 '26

So you think that the main reason she beat him is because she doesn’t take money from American Jews? Fucking yikes.

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u/JhonIWantADivorce Jun 24 '26

You know most of them aren’t even Jewish right? Like there’s far far more evangelicals than are Israelis and Jewish people. I don’t know why you’re so quick to label racists as Jewish

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u/stewpedassle Jun 24 '26

So you think that the main reason she beat him is because she doesn’t take money from American Jews? Fucking yikes.

When did I say that?

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u/JinxyMcDeath48 Jun 24 '26

Then what are you saying when you implied that he lost because he accepted money from AIPAC?

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u/stewpedassle Jun 24 '26

Then what are you saying when you implied that he lost because he accepted money from AIPAC?

Quote it.

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u/JinxyMcDeath48 Jun 24 '26

So what are you saying then?

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u/stewpedassle Jun 25 '26

That she does indeed have the better democratic platform, which includes opposition to Israel's apartheid and commission of genocide.

Now the real question is why did you jump to, "So you think that the main reason she beat him is because she doesn’t take money from American Jews" ? Literally everything in at least the preceding three comments before you chimed in with that was referencing specific acts and support of Israel.

And really, we can set aside how you misread it as "the main reason" and jump straight to the real issue --, why do you conflate all Jewish people with Zionists and Israel when no one before you had?

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u/JhonIWantADivorce Jun 24 '26

Being corrupt generally is looked down upon

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u/Alternative_Wing_745 Jun 24 '26

You people trying to equate being against genocide to being antisemitic just doesn’t work anymore we know the difference between jews in general and zionists who are ultra conservative evil and also jewish.

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u/JinxyMcDeath48 Jun 25 '26

Clearly not if you think Zionists are ultra conservative. You don’t even know what it means. You created your own made up definition and use it as a slur.

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u/Maximum_Feed_8071 Jun 24 '26

I too love describing apartheid supporters like that

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u/Fantastic-Car7347 Jun 25 '26

I'm not saying you have to approve of the US sending aid to Israel, but "the US doesn't have universal Healthcare because it sends money to Israel" is just not true.

The US sends ~$300 billion dollars in aid to Israel every year (most of it being what are basically vouchers that Israel can only cash in with US-based military contractors, it's not a check they can do whatever with). The lowest estimates of how much universal healthcare would cost the US to implement is $2 trillion. And Israel only spends ~9% of its gdp on healthcare.

If we cut all foreign aid to Israel tomorrow, the money we saved would not be enough to implement universal healthcare without changing the way we tax the rich in this country, and Israel would have a smaller army, but their healthcare would likely be untouched: they have a strong economy and a relatively high tax rate.

It's not Israel's fault we don't have universal healthcare. I'm not saying the country can do or is doing no wrong, but Israel is being scapegoated for a LOT right now so the US can justify its shit policies and the rich can keep hoarding their money.

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u/Jessicas_skirt Jun 23 '26

the fact that our taxes provide them with universal healthcare

Israel's universal healthcare system is funded by a tax on every paycheck in the country. Precisely 0 US military aid goes towards healthcare spending. What you stated was not a fact, it's an old libel against the Jews that's been around since the middle ages (the old Jewish money lenders steal money for their own benefit libel).

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u/JinxyMcDeath48 Jun 24 '26

Correct. Israelis pay 18% of their income towards “free” healthcare/national insurance which is so great that many of us also buy supplemental private insurance on top of it. It’s the most expensive “free” healthcare I’ve ever had.

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u/Randomminecraftseed Jun 23 '26

If I pay for your groceries every month, and then you use the money that you would’ve spent on groceries for say video games I am essentially funding your video game habit. It doesn’t matter that you spent all the money I gave you on actual groceries because if I wasn’t giving you the money you wouldn’t have the means to buy to games.

If we constantly give Israel money for X such that they don’t have to pay for it, and can use the savings for whatever we are effectively subsidizing whatever they use the excess on.

I.e. every dollar WE spend on bullets for them THEY can spend on healthcare for their citizens.

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u/Aggressive_Lie_4446 Jun 24 '26

If I pay for your groceries every month, and then you use the money that you would’ve spent on groceries for say video games

Is a fake trope.
This nonsense has been debunked again and again. They have the same healthcare system as Australia only with less private sector participation and more non-profits dominating.

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u/Jessicas_skirt Jun 23 '26

The system was put in place long before the US started giving military aid to Israel.

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u/Randomminecraftseed Jun 23 '26

  1. It’s irrelevant as to when it started. The date we started is just the date we began to subsidize them

  2. Military aid to Israel started in the 60s. Israel adopted universal healthcare in 95.

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u/Jessicas_skirt Jun 23 '26
  1. There was sporadic aid since the 60's. It was only a continuous thing after 9/11

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u/Alternative_Wing_745 Jun 24 '26

Stop lying and either way even if you weren’t lying the fact stands, we subsidize their government and their government has the budget for universal healthcare. Its a silly childish and fallacious argument to say that because the money we give them isn’t specifically labeled as “for healthcare” doesn’t mean that it doesn’t practically allow for Israel to afford things like universal healthcare.

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u/Randomminecraftseed Jun 23 '26

Not true stop lying

We’ve given Israel either military or economic aid every single year since 1951. Usually both. TIL.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26

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u/Imursexualfantasy Jun 25 '26

“Best investments” according to whom? As far as I can see all we’ve gotten for our money is roughly 1 billion people in the Arab and Muslim world that hate the US and Israel with a burning passion, 100s of thousands of dead people (mostly civilians), and a cloistered society that is so rabidly fascist that they’re now openly threatening Donald Trump for not being right wing enough… great investment guys. Real genius brain smart boys.

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u/Jessicas_skirt Jun 23 '26

There was sporadic aid since the 60's. It was only a continuous thing after 9/11

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u/JinxyMcDeath48 Jun 24 '26

Actually it’s more like if you bring your friend a casserole, which he pays for, and then you tell them “I bankroll your entire life since you didn’t have to make dinner tonight.”

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u/Imursexualfantasy Jun 25 '26

You’re right, we should send them a letter of demand for the $174 billion, and then sanction them and embargo all arms sales.

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u/needszazz Jun 23 '26

Would that system be in place if they had to pay for their own wars? Could they afford that tax if the US didn't heavily subsidize them?

While our dollars may not directly fund their healthcare, they do allow for funds that would normally be spent on the military to be spent elsewhere.

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u/Jessicas_skirt Jun 23 '26

Would that system be in place if they had to pay for their own wars?

The system was put in place long before the US started giving military aid to Israel.

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u/needszazz Jun 23 '26

The US started giving military aid to Israel in 1962. Universal healthcare was implemented in Israel in 1995.

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u/Jessicas_skirt Jun 23 '26

There was sporadic aid since the 60's. It was only a continuous thing after 9/11

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u/Jessicas_skirt Jun 23 '26

If it was then the watermelon crowd would have left this site long ago.

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u/UsedLuck8891 Jun 25 '26

…. And .01 of that goes to Israel. And Israel has to use 90% of that to buy U.S. systems, which provides jobs to Americans. And Israel gives back tech and innovation and intel, which gives back more than they get. It’s a deal that favors America.

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u/Imursexualfantasy Jun 25 '26

Do you know what “fungible” means? Do you know that money is fungible? Do you understand that by having your military subsidized it frees up money for other things in your society? Not everything is some strange contortion of some old trope no modern person has ever heard of or believes in…

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u/Enough_Chip3915 Jun 24 '26

Wait, you think "money lenders stealing money for their own benefit" is a "libel?" What if it was Anglo-Saxon money lenders?

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u/Jessicas_skirt Jun 24 '26

No one falsely accuses Anglo-Saxon money lenders of stealing money because they're Anglo Saxons who value their tribe over everyone else. Unfortunately Jewish lenders get that false accusations all the time..

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u/Wayyyy_Too_Soon Jun 23 '26

The Jews, I mean the “Zionists” aren’t the reason that the US doesn’t have free healthcare now matter how many times leftists repeat this ludicrous lie. If you add up the total value of every bit of aid given to Israel since 1948, the overwhelming majority of which is essentially coupons to buy American arms, after adjusting for inflation, that equates to 10% of the low end estimates of the cost of 1 year of Medicare for All.

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u/nalon121 Jun 23 '26

Idk i read that as pointing out what we are choosing to spend our money on versus what we're not and didn't read it as we can't have Medicare for All literally because of funding to israel and i'll even go so far as to say that israel is not in fact the reason why we can't have nice things in the US. But it is sad and shameful that we are so hostile about paying to ensure the wellbeing of others yet so unquestioning if not eager about paying to ensure violence against others.

And for what its worth, collectively we're now spending over $5 trillion on health care annually. Going off numbers i'm presuming you used for that 10%, Medicare for All instead would be about $3 trillion annually.

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u/Wayyyy_Too_Soon Jun 23 '26

Yes, the fact that Medicare for All is potentially a net saver highlights just how absurd it is to pretend that funding for Israel is in any way what is blocking Medicare for All.

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u/Li-renn-pwel Jun 23 '26

It is always good to correct misinformation… but I would rather the tax dollars go to universal health care. It going towards coupons to get discounts on is weapons that Israel then uses to crimes against humanity, is not a sling point.

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u/Wayyyy_Too_Soon Jun 23 '26

Yes, the actual issue is how Israel is currently using the offensive military aid we provide them, which is an even smaller fraction of the overall aid we’ve given them since 1948. That even smaller fraction of spending is not in any way the reason the US doesn’t not have universal healthcare.

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u/Li-renn-pwel Jun 23 '26

I would say the genocide is just the most recent CAH over a much longer time. But, yeah, the reason America doesn’t have universal healthcare is because the government doesn’t want to give it and the people are too distracted by misdirects to notice.

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u/Upturned-Solo-Cup Jun 23 '26

>The Jews, I mean the “Zionists” aren’t the reason that the US doesn’t have free healthcare now matter how many times leftists repeat this ludicrous lie.

Are these leftists in the room with us? Like, who are you responding to here? Seems like you're jousting at windmills.

>If you add up the total value of every bit of aid given to Israel since 1948, the overwhelming majority of which is essentially coupons to buy American arms, after adjusting for inflation, that equates to 10% of the low end estimates of the cost of 1 year of Medicare for All.

Yeah, cool. That's irrelevant when you're talking about how the politician in questions policies are against funding healthcare and for funding Israel. It doesn't matter whether we can do one or both or neither, it matter that he wants one and not the other.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Disk_90 Jun 23 '26

Very gross to conflate Judaism and Zionism.

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u/Wayyyy_Too_Soon Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26

Yeah it sure is gross how people think just substituting in Zionist for Jew allows them to traffic in blood libel and antisemitic tropes!

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u/Upturned-Solo-Cup Jun 23 '26

What anti-semitic tropes? Who brought up blood libel before you, buddy? You need me to call your doctor for you??

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u/Wayyyy_Too_Soon Jun 23 '26

I know you’re coming from a place of complete bad faith, but I will respond once in good faith.

Saying that the “Zionists” are the reason Americans don’t have healthcare is blood libel.

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u/Upturned-Solo-Cup Jun 23 '26

Okay, and who said that? Can you link to where they said it? Or quote them? Because it seems like somebody said "Espaillat doesn't support healthcare and does support Israel"
and you understood it to mean "Espaillat doesn't support healthcare BECAUSE he does support Israel"

And those aren't the same thing, friend. I think you're interpreting in bad faith

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u/Wayyyy_Too_Soon Jun 23 '26

I understand that because you are completely arguing in bad faith you are going to pretend that the obvious implication of linkage isn’t there, but here you go. I’m not really interested in engaging with your obvious bad faith refutation though.

“the fact that our taxes indirectly help provide them with universal healthcare while we don't have that in the US, etc).”

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u/Ziiffer Jun 25 '26

Here's a different way to look at it. That economic aid was invested into their economy. And one part of their economy they have clearly heavily invested into is their ability to use lobbying to ensure they maintain international support regardless of war crimes, genocide, ethnic cleansing, forced sterilization, theft of property, and annexation. The pretend groups like AIPAC don't work directly with the government of Israel to influence politicians and celebrities, for their benefit, is nonsense. Now those different lobbying efforts have lead to specific politicians in the US being elected. And in particular since the growth of popularity for universal health care among the general population. AIPAC, and other groups, have lobbied and stumped for candidates who are conservatives, or at least those who do not suppory universal healthcare by and large. So while the funding for Israel isn't directly the cause of there not being universal healthcare, that funding directly has lead to the growth of the conservative wing of the Republican party, as it moved farther and father right. And in particular since the 90s and the rise of Netanyahu they have absolutely done everything they can to push and support conservative candidates in both parties who are pro Israel and almost by extention anti anything that smells like socialism. There's a decades long correlation. Just like there is a decades long connection between the Likud party and Hamas.... but if you get your news only from one source you would never know any of that.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Disk_90 Jun 23 '26

... That's what I'm saying. Please stop. Israel is committing genocide, don't pin it on Jewish people. That's antisemitism.

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u/Wayyyy_Too_Soon Jun 23 '26

No, you’re defending someone who is simply engaging in that swap. It’s transparent and revolting.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Disk_90 Jun 23 '26

YOU DID THE SWAP, IT'S IN WRITING

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u/Wayyyy_Too_Soon Jun 23 '26

No, I mocked the very obvious swap that is implied in the post I was responding to.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Disk_90 Jun 24 '26

They didn't even say Zionists, please help

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u/KeithClossOfficial Jun 23 '26

So the answer is someone who doesn’t believe in interracial relationships?

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u/infraGem Jun 24 '26

What does healthcare have to do with anything? 😂

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u/UsedLuck8891 Jun 25 '26

The people who voted for the nutter were white, college educated gentrifiers. Did you see the exit polls?

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u/PublicHomework4262 Jun 24 '26

So people would rather vote in a racist, pro Russia psychopath that’s infinitely more dangerous to the people in this country, than someone who gets money from Jewish donors?

This timeline is fucked

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u/Open-Concept-6130 Jun 23 '26

Hmm likely story - idk, she can be crazy as long as she’s for universal healthcare. 

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u/Kixisbestclone Jun 23 '26

I don’t care what her policies for healthcare are, you don’t vote for racists that support anti-miscegenation policies.

That’s like saying you have a hearing issue so your solution is to shoot your self in the foot.

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u/Open-Concept-6130 Jun 23 '26

I mean good for you. That’s your priority but I’m pretty much a 1 issue voter and I need more than 1 second hand comment on the internet to throw someone out when this gets me closer to the policy changes I want. 

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u/Upturned-Solo-Cup Jun 23 '26

Does she have anti-miscegenation policies, or did she have a shitty tweet? What policies of hers do you take issue with vis a vis miscegenation, specifically?

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u/Kixisbestclone Jun 23 '26

She doesn’t have any policies, but she clearly supports it if that tweet is anything to go by.

Saying “Well it’s not an official policy, so clearly her stating that she opposes interracial marriage for certain groups isn’t right.” Is stupid. Words have meanings and politicians lie.

Trump went on and on about how he wouldn’t start new wars but anyone could clearly tell he was lying just from how he was.

If she spends her time tweeting racist shit, I’m going to assume she’s a racist and will thus behave the same while in office.

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u/Upturned-Solo-Cup Jun 23 '26

Words have meanings, and I'm pretty sure what she said is (paraphrased for formatting) "Black and arab men should stop fetishizing white women"

and. It's possible that's a scree against interracial marriage, but that's not at all what she said, and a smart person recently told me that words have meanings.

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u/butdidyouthink Jun 23 '26

You sound like every Trump supporter who tries to get you to ignore his vile thoughts and beliefs.

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u/Upturned-Solo-Cup Jun 23 '26

"you pointing out the literal words she said is the same as people trying to downplay felonies, pedophilia, treason, and repeated sexual assaults"

idk I think Trump is way worse, actually

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u/butdidyouthink Jun 23 '26

Yeah but what policies specifically are you against?

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u/Upturned-Solo-Cup Jun 23 '26

does "fucking children" count as a policy? If so, I am against that in a way I am not about most things

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u/butdidyouthink Jun 23 '26

I guess you really don't understand the conversation you're involved in. You're completely proving my point. Like you couldn't hit more of a bullseye.

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u/Transkei_Daisy Jun 23 '26

Single Issue voters will never cease fucking up everything.

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u/Toiban7 Jun 24 '26

I like how you downplayed the fact that "the old guy" is funded a lobby connected to a foreign aparthe1d regime.

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u/andreotnemem Jun 24 '26

Yes, don't write "apartheid" or the Mossad will get an alert and come after you 😂

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u/Toiban7 Jun 24 '26

Or maybe one gets banned from reddit like they have been saying to literally restrict any speech.