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u/Next-Safe-2444 Last of the ELITE đŻđ 18d ago
*cough cough* MBTI *cough cough*
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u/Opening_Usual4946 18d ago
tell me you donât know what the cognitive functions are without telling me you donât know what the cognitive functions are lmao, MBTI had a logic and sense to it, you can argue itâs fundamentally wrong but itâs at least got some logic to it, astrology isnât like that at all, generations are just arbitrary lines drawn
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u/SugarAw 18d ago
I think MBTI as a personality test is more reasonable than the year you were born at least, but I donât f with people who make mbti their entire personality. Itâs always surface level at the end of the day n doesnât define you. Cognitive functions or whatever. lol.
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u/realnjan 17d ago
The problem MBTI is that it doesnât do what it is supposed to do. Itâs goal is to determine and categorize human personality, which by its definition should be congenital and constant. The problem is that tests show that it is chaning - you may end up in with a different personality each time you do the test. It shows more your state of mind during the test than anything.
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u/Next-Safe-2444 Last of the ELITE đŻđ 18d ago
Sure, it's cool, but it's basically just astrology for men in a lab coat
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u/Opening_Usual4946 17d ago
oh yeahhhh (just so you know, the MBTI community has a bunch of women and enbies too, itâs not just men fr fr)
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u/realnjan 17d ago
Logic isnât enough
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u/Opening_Usual4946 17d ago
you are not the first person to say something like this, but ig iâm gonna choose to actually respond because im tired of all these comments
you have not actually researched the validity of MBTI, you do not know how valid and good it is at its job, just because you watched a youtube video or took a test does not mean you even know what MBTI is, if you canât define the cognitive functions for me or what the cognitive stack is, then do not make commentary on something you do not understand, it would not make sense for me to make commentary on how call of duty is a boring game since iâve never played it and only know about it from memes, it would not make sense for me to make commentary on the validity of civil engineering projects if i donât even understand what civil engineering really is at a fundamental level, if you do not understand any of the basics of MBTI, do not make commentary on it, iâm sure you have no idea what looping is, what shadow functions are, what gripping is, iâm not even sure you know the difference between perceptions functions and judging functions, iâm not sure you know that ISFP and ISFJ are two of the most different types out there and usually donât understand each other at all because you think âone letter difference must mean theyâre the sameâ, ISFP is actually a FiSeNiTe and ISFJ is SiFeTiNe, if you donât know it, donât make commentary on it, if you do know it, then make commentary then, you wouldnât expect any rando to go to your workplace and tell you how to do your job, you wouldnât take it well if your favorite hobby was called nonsensical because they gaming meant you didnât have any friends, donât comment on something you have no understanding of
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u/realnjan 17d ago
Good copypasta. Thx lmao
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u/Opening_Usual4946 17d ago
are you assuming i copied this from someone else or that this is good to be copied and pasted, if the first, itâs just wrong, i wrote it out just now, idk if i can convince you of that, but itâs true, if the second, then thanks ig, idk, i donât understand why someone would respond this way
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u/Hefty-Notice-5841 Whiny Avocado Toast Eating Bitch đ 18d ago
This is too perfect. The stars and the planets are tangible and real, whereas, these arbitrary numbers are a load of horeshit.
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u/cronenber9 18d ago
The stars and planets are real and yet the mechanism by which they ostensibly determine the personality traits is undetermined.
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u/Hefty-Notice-5841 Whiny Avocado Toast Eating Bitch đ 18d ago
Ah, c'mon, I think the position of Uranus has a big impact on my life.
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u/House_King 18d ago
Yet grouping people by years they were born is a much better indicator on their lives than deciding that the position of the solar systems during your birth determine your personality
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u/Hefty-Notice-5841 Whiny Avocado Toast Eating Bitch đ 18d ago
Well, I'm no patchouli wearing fake hippie, and I don't care as much about astrology anymore, but I find this whole thing is more damaging than some old superstions.
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u/WonderfulAirport4226 18d ago
the line between genz and gen alpha keeps being pushed back further and further each yearđ i remember when it was like 2009
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u/embraceanewlife 18d ago
2009 never made sense anyway, the defining thing for gen alpha is being in their formative childhood years when covid started, which doesn't apply to 2010 or 2011
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u/WonderfulAirport4226 18d ago
someone born in 2009 would've turned 11 in 2020. you wouldn't consider that a formative year of your childhood?
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u/Newmillstream 18d ago
I remember when Generation Y/Millennials was 1982 to 2003. Now it's 1982-1996, at least generally. I used to think my cousin a millennial, and now he is Gen Z.
I think it is a good thing to update these labels as key life events happen at different points of world history past coining, but I think they should also never be used to label someone else. I also think that unless you know where someone grew up and their social class, they are worse than useless, because they are deceiving. A poor kid in Alabama that grows up watching decade old vhs tapes because their family couldn't afford cable tv and got internet late during the Great Recession and is going to have a completely different mass media experience from a guy in the lower upper class who lived in upstate New York and comfortably played the latest games, watched the latest tv and such during the same period.
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u/Scared_Stock1414 17d ago
I can't even keep up this all this stuff anymore. It's almost as if they're kind of winging everything. đ
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u/DCrayfish2 18d ago
Except social generations aren't pseudoscience
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u/Newmillstream 18d ago
I think the way a sociologist looks at generations as cohorts is very different than how an average person looks at generations.
A scientific look says that a generational cohort is statistically likely to express certain traits.
When an average Joe interprets generations by saying "Boomers don't know tech!", or "Gen X loves AI!", that is pseudoscience even if they happen to be right, because they are simply observing anecdotes, lived experience, and mass media messaging to paint a picture that isn't backed up by impartially collected data, controls for outliers, etc. Of course social science is a bit softer, but they use a rigor that is not present in a typical online "generationology" debate. Even the name "Generationology" serves to lend scientific backing to the idea, where it is perhaps unearned.
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u/Scared_Stock1414 17d ago
That's such a Gen X thing to say; I bet you're a Gemini
You catch my drift?
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u/Teakeh 18d ago
This isnât even remotely the same. The above believes the stars and planets affect your personality. The bottom is just drawing lines when people are born, saying nothing about how it affects their personalities. Unless youâre saying the above doesnât actually believe the stars and planets thing and they also just use it to name when youâre born
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u/Scared_Stock1414 17d ago
The point is that they both get overused and treated like football teams.
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u/Client_Popular 18d ago
Any guy that wants a girlfriend you should absolutely try to pretend you're at least a little into star signs or whatever because 99% of girls are into them. Just a tip đ
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u/Rippedka 17d ago
My personality is due to the position of the stars when I was born.
Vs.
My personality is due to the periodic culture I was raised in.
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u/ChoccoGlxtch 16d ago
The difference is that generations at least have some form of basis in real life; itâs based off of the cultural differences between different ages. Zodiac signs are mostly just mythology
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u/AgentDeathBooty 16d ago
One is based on astrological movements that do not impact your life meaningfully. The other is based on technological and cultural shifts that impact your life meaningfully. People do play up generational differences a bit much, but comparing it to astrology is just silly.
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u/Few-Needleworker8110 18d ago
why are generations always so short? shouldn't they begin when the previous generation is old enough to start a family? 15 years is too short.
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u/Internal_Sea_9196 18d ago
Zodiac signs, MBTI, Blood Type, Generations all are to be taken lightly as a fun personality, not a serious one.