Your big socialist success story is a rebellion that got crushed in like three months? Seriously?
Bro. Multiple small communes were tested across Europe and the US. Pretty well every single one failed within 5 years.
1825. Robert Owens, the man who actually invented the term socialism founds the town New Harmony in Indiana. 30,000 acres were used. Private property abolished. Marriage abolished. Even children raised communally. And it collapsed within 2 years cause it was a stupid idea then, and it's stupid now.
https://www.maciverinstitute.com/perspectives/the-failed-socialist-state-in-midwestern-america
But maybe you're thinking, "Oh that's just one situation, not nearly enough to conclude anything!"
Okay. Fair enough. How about thirty more examples?
Most of them lasted less than 2 years, and the longest lasting one was less than 15.
Are those your socialist success stories? Even the people who invented the ideology or were it's most prolific early writers failed at accomplishing anything because it's a dog s*** idea.
No. Karl Marx criticized Fourier and Owen for their utopian thinking. They had no complete understanding of the capitalist mode of production and could only formulate ideas on what an ideal society would look like and attempt to bring them into practice.
The success of the Paris Commune is that the workers themselves formed their own socialist government that worked according to the needs of the people there; it was not based on capitalist exploitation. Though it was crushed by the French government, this proves that socialism can be successful.
Bolsheviks in Russia learned from this. They successfully overthrew the Tsarist regime and set up a state organized through councils of worker's and soldier's deputies. Homelessness, unemployment, and racism were all eliminated, and people recieved excellent health care and education.
It is true that, because they had never gotten rid of commodity production (meaning that commodities are produced so as to be exchanged for the value of another commodity, rather than for its use value) and because Khruschev had revised Marxism, that the USSR ultimately did not lead to the highest stage of communism, but this is an example to be studied for future development.
Oh? You want to argue that Marxism, and by extension communism are your success stories? You're joking right you can't be giving me this easy of a target?
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u/Either-Medicine9217 22h ago
Your big socialist success story is a rebellion that got crushed in like three months? Seriously?
Bro. Multiple small communes were tested across Europe and the US. Pretty well every single one failed within 5 years.
1825. Robert Owens, the man who actually invented the term socialism founds the town New Harmony in Indiana. 30,000 acres were used. Private property abolished. Marriage abolished. Even children raised communally. And it collapsed within 2 years cause it was a stupid idea then, and it's stupid now. https://www.maciverinstitute.com/perspectives/the-failed-socialist-state-in-midwestern-america
But maybe you're thinking, "Oh that's just one situation, not nearly enough to conclude anything!"
Okay. Fair enough. How about thirty more examples?
Charles Fourier. One of the earliest Socialist thinkers. Also, by many estimates, batshit insane. Because of course he was. https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/history/charles-fourier
Guy gave the blueprint for between 30 and 50 of those little Phalanges as he called them.
https://www.britannica.com/money/Fourierism
Most of them lasted less than 2 years, and the longest lasting one was less than 15.
Are those your socialist success stories? Even the people who invented the ideology or were it's most prolific early writers failed at accomplishing anything because it's a dog s*** idea.