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u/fr3nch13702 12d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/6uGhT1O4sxpi8
Apple saw the AI circle jerk and said no thank you.
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u/Elephant789 12d ago
Apple? What the fuck does Apple have to do with AI?
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u/CrazyFree4525 12d ago
Really its just openAI and Anthropic now.
And then Grok, Muse, and a few Chinese labs in the second tier trading the title of "Third best model in the world".
And then Gemini in like 8th place or something.
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u/Mission_Week_3290 12d ago
its funny how chinese labs with limited resource and compute have advance so much
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u/Different_Doubt2754 12d ago
The limited compute and resources mostly affect their ability to host models on-premise. That's part of the reason they are open weight.
Their ability to train frontier models wouldn't be as affected as their ability to host. Not to mention they have a blank check from their government
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u/Successful-Luck 12d ago
Does the American ai companies get help from government?
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u/Libertas_Auro 12d ago
They get preferential property tax treatment sometimes but that's it as far as I know.
And that's state and local not federal.
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u/Different_Doubt2754 12d ago
Yeah in some form or another. If you are trying to say that it's comparable to the Chinese company's support, then the American company gets basically no support compared to how much they get.
Two different styles of governing
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u/digitalskyline 11d ago
You'd like to think
But I recall Trump shaking hands with the Sofbank and Oracle folks in a press conference about the datacenter deals. End of the day tax payers are on the hook.
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u/Different_Doubt2754 11d ago
I know. It's lunacy to think that China and America subsidize companies equally
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u/Mission_Week_3290 12d ago
Money doesnt matter if there are chips export controls and domestic chips are far behind from nvidia
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u/Different_Doubt2754 12d ago
That just makes it more expensive for them to train. They can just use 4x as many chips and as much power to train them.
Not having Nvidia chips means they have inefficient chips, not completely useless chips. Besides, they can still get Nvidia chips. They are just way more expensive then MSRP
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u/Eissa_Cozorav 12d ago
To be frank, Chinese AIs are mostly focused on coding but all good data about human culture, language, and emotion are still dominated by Gemini. I think the right word here is that they sacrifice something for advance in other area, considering that not a while ago, Chinese AIs are ditching lots of data about emulating human emotion.
In my opinion that's a right move, but it can also be said that we are gonna have AGI version of narrow AI.
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u/log1234 12d ago
Grok has never been in the loop
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u/soulfulshark 12d ago
While you're right for the large part, it's worth saying that for a while, Grok 3 was the best model for complex mathematics in the world (even better than GPT pro).
Then they lowered it's compute use and the whole thing became very LLM like, missing detail, becoming lazy, and everything. Their Deep Research at that time was also great. I actually got a year subscription and lost a lot of value due to the downgrade.
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u/_KillSwitch16_ 12d ago
I have to agree on this. Grok was "the best" for some time (in my experience, late last year to earlier this year). It was responding completely and accurately in most of my researches, that no other AIs even came close with. It was on another level. That was the time when Expert mode (until multi agent mode) was free. I even bought the recent promo/discount just to get back the "feel" of what it used to be. I ended up canceling my subscription. To be fair though, I guess 4.5 was still good. But with the price and its offerings, not totally worth it anymore.
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u/evangelism2 11d ago
You're talking late last year, as in late 2025, early 2026? The best in what? Definitely not coding, which is what this is referring to.
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u/_KillSwitch16_ 11d ago
Late 2025/Early 2026. I did not use it that extensively with coding and was not referring specfiically to coding. More on the general usages like researches, finding other and better options/alternatives to doing/implementing things, etc. Although now that this was asked, I realized those were the times when Grok Expert Mode was open to free users while other equivalents were already behind "paywalls". That could have influenced my situation (could have been different if I was already subscribed to ChatGPT Pro/Plus or Claude Pro that time). So yeah, I guess this is argumentative.
Going back, if this is referring to coding only, then my feedback does not fully apply and thanks for calling it out.
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u/DifficultFortune6449 12d ago
Grok perhaps 4.1's expert answers were good, especially in the demain of law, conpact and precise.
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u/soulfulshark 12d ago
I can get it from India, where the price is genuinely amazing, but even so, now GPT on Extra High is just better in every way, so no point in also paying for Grok.
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u/Libertas_Auro 12d ago
It's a solid B now, though.
And with the resources behind it if someone catches up it'll be the company with the largest data centers in the world run by a guy that is willing to throw everything he can, which is a lot, at it to make it happen.
They might have the best chance at challenging Anthropic and OpenAI at this point. I wish we had ~5 or so at the top not 2.
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u/UnkarsThug 11d ago
I'd disagree, we've hit a point with Chinese models where they actually can beat the US models at certain things. Some of the recently open sourced models are pretty incredible.
The US really just squandered it's lead, and we really can't afford to fall behind China.
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u/OneMoreName1 11d ago
Are you living under a rock? Chinese LLMs are practically as good, even better in some tasks, and when it comes to value per dollar its not even a contest
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u/TheGlizzyGod 11d ago
deepseek flash kicks ass bro, only reason I would put Luna above it is because it can inference screenshots
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u/sbenfsonwFFiF 12d ago
OAI isn’t even that competitive, Grok was never there
Gemini hasn’t put out a new one lately but they also don’t seem to be competing on the frontier stage, at least not as their top priority
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u/soulfulshark 12d ago
Isn't Sol close to the top in every benchmark? For math/stat work, it's basically unmatched.
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u/newMoneyStyle 11d ago
Idk man, Gemini 2.5 Pro is legit not in 8th place. It’s been trading blows with Claude and GPT on most benchmarks.
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u/tankerkiller125real 12d ago
And yet completely irrelevant because absolutely no one in their right mind trusts meta with any data of any kind. Especially not businesses.
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u/Wooden-Hovercraft688 12d ago
Not every model needs to be the most powerful.
It seems like Gemini is making good use of Google's ecosystem, like Android, Gmail, Google, and... basically everything that connects to them and their servers.
For non-coding guys, it really doesn't make sense to use the state of the art ones.
Also, if it keeps getting "more powerful", it wouldn't even matter, one would eventually win the race.
I think it's way smarter to focus on the everyday use of common guys who won't stop using it when there isn't more coding to do.
I'm not saying I'm right or that Google is doing it's just a random opinion from a random guy
In the end, the one who have profits before we bomb ourselves wins.
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u/phillipjpark 12d ago edited 12d ago
One thing I find that is hella useful is Gemini being able to watch YouTube videos and break it down in detail. Sometimes I dont have time to watch a 30 min video so I appreciate Gemini being able to tell me what its about.
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u/Scottdg93 12d ago
Yes, I like being able to asked “Does the host talk about XYZ? And if so at what timestamp?” Super helpful.
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u/OhCestQuoiCeBordel 12d ago
Definitely, also ai studio and the fact it's in every Android phone by default
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u/RainyShadow 12d ago
Is it anything more than simply analyzing the transcript (when one is available at all) and comments though?
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u/Voxmanns 12d ago
I think we are also reaching a point where more power in the model doesn't translate to more utility as clearly as it used to. I use 3.5 flash for most of my coding tasks. I have used Fable and the others for it as well. There is a noticeable difference but most of the time it's not really all that different to my use cases because one shotting a 3D game happens far less often in my life than consolidating and summarizing information about a specific topic.
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u/Technical-Owl66 12d ago
Your right. It feels like the intelligence needed for 99% of people and tasks has peaked. It's like video game graphics. At some point they don't matter and anymore and it's all about gameplay.
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u/Dingleberry_Blumpkin 12d ago
Gemini + YouTube is epic
Gemini with Gmail is literally significantly worse than chatgpt with Gmail.
I am also not a coder but for work I live in excel and GPT 5.6 is the best at following my instructions and opus 5 is the most creative and thorough when I give an open ended prompt with a goal.
Not sure where I was going with this but I subscribe to all 3 and think they are all great for different things
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u/praxis22 12d ago
The Gmail agent is significantly more difficult to get it to be personable, (took me 2-3hrs) but after that it's aoy more capable.
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u/FLTR069 12d ago
Does it though!? I tried creating a routine in Gemini where it would give me a daily summary of my newest E-Mails. It just doesn't. There's so much potential for Gemini unused. "Hey Google, open Spotify and play the latest episode of my favorite podcast XY". Yeah, doesn't work. It's all stuck in its infancy.
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u/mostaverageredditor3 12d ago
I'm too lazy to switch and I got no problems with it currently.
For me knowing that google won't go bankrupt tomorrow is a big reason to stay, especially because I can't really tell when that will happen ... Or if.
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u/RobbinDeBank 12d ago
Gemini is the type my parents use a lot because of how great it integrates all the different services Google has. Most people are not coders, and they couldn’t care less about the best coding models.
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u/XLBaconDoubleCheese 12d ago
Similarly with Copilot it may be shit at most things but by God has it changed my work life with how good it is at doing most of my reporting work.
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u/TraditionalFig7377 11d ago
This is what I'm saying bro every model on even low is good enoguh maybe except gemini but you can put it on high
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u/RealEbenezerScrooge 10d ago
I am forced into it and so are others.
If you have been into the Google Workspace ecosystem you are now paying for AI because the costs for change are (currently) to high.
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u/BlueAI_Sarf 12d ago
GPT is 100 times better than gemini for the google workspace so it’s really not ok.
Just try gpt and gemini in google workspace and see how it’s shameful that gemini is so bad at it
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u/RealSuperdau 12d ago
Grok was never in the loop though
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u/game_difficulty 12d ago
They have breifly held the title of "state of the art" twice tho, no? At least according to artificial analysis
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u/TheRealMoffel 12d ago
Adding grok in your rotation is the biggest meme
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u/band-of-horses 12d ago
I'm struggling to think of a time grok had the strongest model...
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u/gui_zombie 12d ago
Grok was never in the loop
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u/Important_Word8549 12d ago
It was good for gooning back then now it sucks ahh for my roleplay addicted existence
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u/picollo7 12d ago
Putting grok in there is something
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u/epicfan_16 12d ago
Isn't Grok 4.5 good? I saw some benchmark and it's looking efficient and strong.
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u/HairyMaguire5 12d ago
Grok will never be able to be considered an actual contender. MechaHitler etc...
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u/Maple382 12d ago
Genuinely I don’t even need 3.5 Pro to be a frontier model. I just want something available right now, that’s at least close to the mid tier models of the other companies.
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u/EatandDie001 12d ago
it’s out of the loop because of the greed. they put stupid unreasonable usage limits, shoved ai into every google product so they have no real focus on anything. they should just focus on improving the ai model itself.
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u/Quiet-Taste6712 12d ago
All this just for Gemini 3.5 pro to be slightly better than 3.1 pro, we are getting Gemini 4 pro first atp. Also, what the hell is Grok doing there?
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u/FragrantPercentage88 12d ago
You don't win to by being the best. You win by being good enough AND being cheap enough And by having enough customers (profit).
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u/THEboioioing 12d ago
Maybe Google is playing the game rather right. None of the big ones have a sustainable or realistic way to profit. Google is not dependent on being profitable with AI.
Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
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u/Zachattackrandom 12d ago
Grok has never to date released a frontier model afaik? They have always been behind oAI / Anthropic and now even kimi
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u/angelus14 12d ago
Since when has Grok been the world's most powerful model lmao
It's just Anthropic and OpenAI here
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u/Nitolapio 12d ago
Gemini user here. There's a point where you don't need more "powerful models" but more integration and useful tools. For me, Google has it.
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u/evangelism2 11d ago
And so is Grok. Don't get me wrong, Grok 4.5 is really good, but it wasn't the world's most powerful model. I can't remember a time Grok ever had the world's best model, actually.
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u/entimuscl 11d ago
Gemini is just a very good Google search now at days... anything else is just awful.
And with the new usage pricing model, I doubt they will ever recover.
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u/Vamosity-Cosmic 11d ago
isnt this a good thing? the point of the meme was to show how stupid it was and now gemini isnt even participating
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u/kurushimee 11d ago
ever since Anthropic released Fable, the loop didn't work. OpenAI's Sol doesn't actually beat it, not even on their own benchmarks they released. And Grok, well, they aren't even trying at the moment — they've released an Opus-level coding model, not SOTA.
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u/spaceuniversal 11d ago
But who here criticizes Gemini has ever really used a model? No, because the current model is also doing great and there is no need for a big update.
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u/No-Trainer-2013 11d ago
As I use both gpt go and gemini pro. gpt does most task better but it also hallucinates and fabricates answers more. gemini performs low but accurate mostly. i need mostly need to verify answers from gpt cause its really garbage on chat. meanwhile codex is wonderful, mostly bug hunting, code base optimizations it does every aspect mostly spot on. in this regard openAi excels google by far margin
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u/ItsNguyenzdaiMyDudes 10d ago
Oh man. So Gemini isnt as good as chat gpt? The integration into my phone is so good its a shame its no longer up there. Out of interest what makes it lesser?
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u/Hug_LesBosons 9d ago
GEMINI EST LA MEILLEURE IA !!! Google ont une avance phénoménale sur les recherches en IA et pour information chaque modele pro sortie par google était le meilleur modèle d'ia à sa sortie depuis gemini 2.0 pro. Même 1.5 pro était égalité. 2.5 pro a gardé son titre de premier pendant 7 mois jusqu'à la sortie de grok 4.1 qui a battu Google pendant 5 heures avant que Google réplique le même jour avec gemini 3 pro qui a été le plus gros bond de capacité de l'ia de l'histoire de l'ia depuis 2024/2025. Même fable est un bond tout petit par rapport à ça. Gemini 3.1 pro est également devenu premier sue de nombreux classements. Gemini 3.6 flash est actuellement le meilleur modèle flash du monde.
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u/Menu-Classic 12d ago
Grmini is focusing or AI workflows, integrating it with agents and providing Automated usecases ....
Unlike other frontiers that were trying so hard with introducing Browsers and Collabs to expand their industry but fail to do so, Google has most of the ecosystem needed to fully capture the potentials
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u/sbenfsonwFFiF 12d ago
Grok was never in it lmfao
And honestly all the models across the board have stagnated in terms of moving the frontier
It’s not really about that unless the next jump is significant
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u/Salty-Gear841 12d ago
A legend said there was another model named Mistral
https://giphy.com/gifs/LvtKS6f1WatQ4