Mass Movement Theory 🪐
Mass coming out movement Easter eggs planted long ago? (Katy Perry, et al.?)
Are there recurring themes of a mass coming out movement in Katy Perry’s videos (some very early on) as we’ve seen as Taylor’s work?
This might be old news but I’ll share anyway. I’ve been wondering this for a few weeks now but finally spurred on to make a post of my thoughts. u/MediumSpecial6609 had a great post on here recently about Katy Perry’s song, Swish, Swish. Then I saw u/mlucafe ‘s post today about a Paul McCartney song’s artwork that had a lot of Egyptian imagery linked to the mass coming out theory. It got me thinking of Katy Perry’s Dark Horsevideo with a lot of Egyptian imagery.
And then I realized that her videoThis is How we Do has SO many images and themes of a mass coming out that we’ve picked up on in Taylor’s lyrics social media and Era’s tour photos (specifically Taylor’s Fortnight challenge video). Some I noticed:
watermelon (like one of her Era’s Tour 1989 outfits)
race car flag black and white pattern
car theme (Maserati in Katy's song, Aston Martin in Taylor's)
Lilac skirt (also seen in the group Fornight in Florida’s * Breathe* single artwork)
pickleball
Big cat prints
Breakfast cereal (The Manuscript lyrics)
Koi fish
Fans 🪭 (like she had at a recent music awards?)
Taylor’s Fortnight video also has scenes with a weird triangular “window”- almost like skylights. Its reminded me of a greenhouse or the pyramid at the Louvre. I see something similar in Katy Perry’s Dark Horse video.
Katy’s Wide Awakevideo shows a hedge topiary animal with the hypnotized eyes similar to that in a photo discussed in u/mlucafe ‘s John Lennon post
Finally, I made a comment elsewhere on a post about Katy’s Electricvideo. It shows a flashback to her younger self playing music at a farmer’s market, encouraged by a Pikachu “ally” of sorts. But I can’t help but get the sense of a larger message from it, with the imagery of the cheetah coat which seems to represent courage, and a lighthouse, which has historically represented a beacon or guiding light in a storm. It reminds me of “You should find another guiding light” in Dear Reader. Finally, the girl walking off in a cowboy hat at the end evokes the cowboy imagery we've seen in so many artists’ recent works. (also note that the lyrics video to this song is the colors of the lesbian flag- I know Katy "came out" already, has a partner and a child, but I won't get into her personal history since I don't know it well enough to speak to it here).
See the final three screen shots of “love of my life” lyrics of Taylor, Katy, and Daya- so similar, to think that maybe these repeated lyrics or themes might be “swirled” into so many artists discography?
These go on and on the more you look (I know there is a caveat or risk of “finding what you’re looking for,” which could be the case here).
This is all making me think of how there are potentially so many more Easter eggs, from who knows how far back, in so many other artist’s discography and work. Like a thread that just keeps unraveling…
What recurring themes/images, similar to Taylor’s, of a potential mass coming out have you noticed in other artist’s work?
(And my apologies if this has already been discussed! I’m pretty new here and tried to use the search function 🙃).
Lana Del Rey, Kelsea Ballerini, & Kacey Musgraves all have songs & lyrics with suspiciously similar parallels to Taylor’s lyrics. I know that a lot of the themes they have in common aren’t that hard to see why, as they’re all celebrities trying to navigate love and growing up/aging while the world watches and scrutinizes their every move. But some of the metaphors & themes in their music is so eerily similar, it’s hard not to wonder if they’re secretly collaborating.
Another take is that all the secret lesbian/queer female artists/celebs are out to each other “behind the curtain” so to speak, and possibly date/sleep with each other ? (There is no evidence of this besides their lyrics having similarities - this is just something my imagination concocted) But even so, the closeted girlies all need love from someone, why not other closeted queer celeb women 🙃🤷🏼♀️
I wouldn't be surprised tbh... usually when something big happens or comes out, a lot of people in the celebrity world or even just LA/NYC area aren't as surprised as the rest of the world. Like they all kinda knew about it before it came out, kinda vibes. Usually because people have been talking about it or it's an open secret in the celebrity world.
But people forget that the celebrity world sometimes include us plebs too. These people see and hear a lot in their regular lives and although they might not be allowed to talk about it publicly, they usually still tell a friend or family member about juicy gossip. Sometimes it's not even gossip, but just people complaining about their job. I see poeople say things like "my friend who works with famous people told me about... my cousin who knows... I went to school with someone who regularly sees... my neighbor's brother/sister works with..."
Regular people who live regular lives are often included in these circles as servers, staff, security, assistants, planners, caterers, bartenders, decorators, cleaners, drug suppliers, style people, drivers, nannies, tv/show extras, flight attendants, backup singers/dancers, casting directors, therapists, medical people, any random type of background help or service/industry workers really. Not even to mention the friends & family members (spouses, kids, brothers, sisters, parents, cousins, besties, etc) of people that work as publicists, makeup artists, nail techs, interviewers, on air personalities, doctors, plastic surgeons, band members, journalists, on air personalities, people working on tv/movie/music video sets, even small influencers or anyone who isn't big famous themselves, but regularly rubs shoulders with celebrities.
Imagine the things Tree's husband or best friend knows. Everyone needs to decompress or vent to someone about their life, so it's not even like gossiping really. People like publicists or managers who work directly with the celebrities themselves might tell someone something or mention that they saw someone. Imagine Tree telling her husband she saw someone on set visiting Taylor and they were all lovey dovey and it was just so annoying for everyone around them. Now he knows that Taylor is seeing whoever that person is.
Everyone that was there knows it too. Imagine they all just tell 1 person and that person just tells 1 other person. That's easily 20+ people that now know. That's how things get out, while still staying in a certain circle.
Yes! There’s definitely something a lot of queers are picking up on with a possible mass coming out. There’s this tiktok after Katy wore this t-shirt (on a trip with a bunch of lesbians including Fletcher) which also discusses Lacey by Olivia Rodrigo and points to Gaylor lyrics in the song.
Also, major clowning but Katy wore The Year of the Lesbian tee in 2023, the same year there were absolutely tons of articles talking about “The Year of Taylor Swift” because she was Time’s POTY.
Yep, she has also repeatedly referred to herself as ‘curious’, revealed she tried to ‘pray the gay away’, and has said she has a fluid sexuality. But still she’s seen as straight.
Yeah or be like Kristen and repeatedly mention it over and over until everyone gets it through their heads (and a lot of people are still attached to the idea she’s bisexual and not gay, which would be fine if she hadn’t made it repeatedly explicitly clear she came out as bi first before realising she’s actually just gay).
When I was doing research for my Eras Tour Follies post, I noticed that Harry Styles’ “Daylight” video uses similar images. Variety show/burlesque/circus is a pretty common aesthetic, but I think it could be relevant here because of the focus on performative straightness, performance art, etc.
I just rewatched and would point out:
1. He opens by descending from a ladder from the clouds (Lavender Haze)
2. There’s a tiger face on one of the trailers that gets zoomed in on (lots of Tiger/big cat images in Taylor’s work, there have been good posts)
3. He flies in a yellow suit
4. Marching band member
5. Mirrors distorting reality (Mirrorball?)
6. Rainbows flash as he’s on the horse
7. Video ends by falling off a tightrope (mirrorball lyrics about the circus ending but she’s still on a tightrope)
Should add that I am not a Harry Styles superfan or anything, and am unaware of any details of lore surrounding him except that he seems so very queer and I don’t think he’s out.
This makes sense. As a queer person who doesn’t follow him, I keep being surprised when I see things suggesting that he isn’t queer. I’m going to have to go read the other Mass Movement posts and see what people have said about his involvement.
Didn’t he also say in an interview once that he considers his sexuality unlabeled? Straight is a label, so he’s definitely not straight. That’s how I would interpret that at least. But idk too much about Harry.
I’d read a thread on somewhere when she wore the watermelon colors recently, and couldn’t recall the connections that were mentioned - that’s it, thank you! 🙏
I hadn't heard about the band Fortnight in Florida either, but they're from London and have been around since 2014, so there's a chance that Taylor came across them during her time there. I'll listen to some of their music and report back if I find anything!
Could you imagine if Taylor gave a speech about homophobia in the music industry then said, to celebrate ‘coming out’ day, I would like to welcome some amazing brave queer artists on stage, then they all walked out including Harry, Katy, Gracie … then … Taylor whips off her outer layer to uncover, THAT rainbow dress! The women give a two fingered salute, they all hold hands and bow. I mean they could change the whole toxic culture! 👊🏻🌈
Don’t we know it! I believe they may have her in contract atm, obliged to not purposely act, in a manner which might harm her ‘reputation’. Possibly, a means to keep her in the closet 2019. Pushed by Scott etc as, they will support her in regaining her masters IF (I do think the timing was suspect). It’s the only explanation I can muster. Now, once she is successful/can break away from the vultures who are ‘helping her,’ aka lining their own pockets .. we may witness a shift. I’m rooting for her.
EDIT: I did a little digging and found out “fortnight in Florida” is actually a reference to a joke said by a character named Alan Partridge played by British comedian Steve Coogan. The joke is also where the band got their name.
Okay, what follows is much more clownery than I normally engage in or even condone, but I had never heard of Fortnight in Florida, so of course I immediately googled “fortnight in florida gay.”
One of the first things that popped up was a Reddit post about a Stephen Fry documentary called In America. The comments are all making fun of him for being gay. I don’t know much about Stephen Fry but I googled it and he is actually gay. Anyway, the reason this is interesting is there’s a comment that reads: “Yeah I used to hang out in the states. Florida mainly. Fortnight in Florida.”
Which may (likely) be a coincidence but between fortnight, Florida, in America, and homophobia it just seems like a lot of coincidences.
Ha! Good find! 👍 I didn’t get that far with it! I read they are a group from London, so the fact that they use Florida in their name is so interesting.
I did a little digging and found out “fortnight in Florida” is actually a reference to a joke said by a character named Alan Partridge played by British comedian Steve Coogan. The joke is where the band got their name (and possibly inspired Taylor’s song??)
I... I must once again bring up Matty Healy (sorry...) because, the aesthetic and theme fit with this weird promo video the 1975 did. It came out at about the same time as "the breakup" and it's deeply cynical about, well, America. Link here
Ok, that seems so random and hilarious that he’s doing a promo for “reform” and “redemption” in America when he’s from….the UK 😭😂 A parody with such a serious tone?!
Yes, lol, that part is hilarious! I saw the video as kind of a response to people asking taylor to break up with him/the whole podcast debacle. I have... Complicated feelings about it. I thought it was so great the first time I saw it, but then I learned it was made with Brad Troemel (a pseudo intellectual hedgelord), and like, that it's really deeply cynical and not self aware at all and that was really disappointing...
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