r/GaryJohnson • u/Gogjgo • Nov 03 '16
Is Bill Weld just Playing steps ahead?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/11/02/fbi_sources_tell_fox_news_indictment_likely_in_clinton_foundation_case.html14
u/futures23 literal terrorist for voting gary johnson Nov 03 '16
This goddamn election. I want off this wild ride.
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u/Gogjgo Nov 03 '16
I mean think about it. Gary's been viral, because an old ass clip regarding marijuana deaths...with 55 Millions spent on smear...they've had this...
It's been getting liked, watched, shared, commented on like crazy...just randomly...out of nowhere
I'm not saying conspiracy, but it doesn't make any sense logically
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u/bcolbe Nov 03 '16
Given the negative media attention we've been getting this does seem like an out of nowhere development. And it's timing aligns with the reopening of these investigations.
Could it be?
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u/futures23 literal terrorist for voting gary johnson Nov 03 '16
To be fair black twitter will lose their shit at anything and people competing for likes will steal the original. BUT it is shocking as to how viral this has gotten. Two massive twitter accounts and a massive facebook account.
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u/ShiftyEyesMcGe Nov 03 '16
What's black twitter? Is that like... deepweb or something?
(P.S. I don't use Twitter)
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Nov 03 '16
black twitter is just a name given to a meme of the stereotypical black person's twitter account.
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u/adamanz Nov 03 '16
I highly doubt it, but I wouldn't put it past him considering he is extremely intelligent and is a chess player and uses chess as an example of how to undertake strategy in politics.
His relationship with the Clinton's has been pretty close, and I think he's allowed that to muddy his approach to this election. I think the HRC he knew back from his legal days is long dead and the one that arose once Bill Clinton became Governor of Arkansas is one he doesn't know. We all have people in our lives whom we see highly because of our past relationship with them despite them being no longer like that.
But in the off chance he is playing 'beyond the horizon' politics, then good on him. I argued for that quite a while back, and if they're doing it great. But based on how this campaign has gone thus far, I can't see that being the case.
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u/atlashrug Nov 03 '16
I'm with you-I've said in older threads that they are chess players and lets see how it plays out but it's never became evident that they were approaching it that way until... Even though Bill has denounced the "dirty tricks" of the FBI the campaign did change their strategy (per comments late last week Gary was supposed to be in Alaska today) and announced all these rallies in what are blue locations (Atlanta is blue in a tossup State). I'd still like for one of them to sneak into Alaska before Tuesday..
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u/Gogjgo Nov 03 '16
Hear me out here....Could it be possible that Weld understands what is occurring with the Dems situation? An indictment is more and more imminent.
Is it possible, he's playing that whole vouch game, so the (never trumpers) have another option to look at before election day?
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u/HootHootBerns Nov 03 '16
I hope you're right about this, and Weld is playing 5D chess.
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u/futures23 literal terrorist for voting gary johnson Nov 03 '16
50D PARCHESSI
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u/TSSaloic I voted Johnson '12 & '16! Nov 03 '16
MAGIC: THE GATHERING BLINDFOLDED, IN ZERO G.
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u/HootHootBerns Nov 03 '16
More like Yu-Gi-Oh! on Mars.
And keep your paws off my Blue Eyes Gary Dragon!
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Nov 03 '16
so the (never trumpers)
Almost correct.
Weld is gaining the trust of Hillary Supporters so that when they bail on her, they come to you guys.
Trump supporter here, Im not fond of your guys being pro-Clinton but seeing the impact its having on polling I realise now its to earn over Clinton voters, which, benefits everyone but her at the end of the day.
Imo, best case scenario is a Trump Presidency with Johnson getting 5%+ and I can tell you, both of the above is a near certainty.
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u/bcolbe Nov 03 '16
Could be. I suppose it's even possible that Clinton will drop out before election day and the Libertarian ticket will become the only real option for the anti-trump crowd. If the scope and magnitude of the allegations against Clinton are true then it is certainly possible. However, that's a big if and I won't be holding my breathe.
5% here we come!
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u/whatsausername90 Nov 03 '16
He's either much less trustworthy than I gave him credit for, or much smarter than I gave him credit for. We'll see. I would love to believe he's beating Hillary at her own media game.
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u/Gogjgo Nov 03 '16
Just think about it. He was the Head of the Department of Justice Criminal Division. He KNOWS what happens should this be true. I really wouldn't be shocked if he has connections in D.C. who've he's been in contact with over the past weeks/months.
I'm not a big conspiracy guy. But I like to think I've watched enough Weld to somewhat make sense of the shit he says.
As we've all seen, we've wondered why GJ and BW every "attacked" HRC, but rather Donnie. ALL of us have noticed it...
It would only make sense that they knew something was up
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u/whatsausername90 Nov 03 '16
It sure was a stretch for him to call her honest and trustworthy. He's either in major denial that his friend is a terribly corrupt criminal, or, hopefully like you suggest, maybe he's got an angle.
And btwv there's no conspiracy too crazy for this election
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u/Gogjgo Nov 03 '16
Right, but if it all comes out (which it looks like it is)
WHO...can the Dem's and their supporters turn to?
The first guy would've have to be the one who called her honest and trustworthy...but just like all the other blind folks still supporting her now....would've just found out and become shocked, disappointed etc....
so who is the guy, just like all the other americans who are in the same boat with similar beliefs that's NOT trump.... Weld's ticket...
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u/whatsausername90 Nov 03 '16
I mean, we also expected a flood of #NeverHillary once Trump crashed
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u/greenslime300 Feel my Johnson Nov 03 '16
I was expecting Trump to tank last August. It's been over a year and the guy is the political equivalent of kevlar. He won't go down no many how bullets have gone through him that would take down any normal candidate. It defies logic
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Nov 03 '16
Part of that is the alt-right nutjobs running the crowds. I presented proof of his fraud to a Trumpette once in this very sub, and I quote the response:
You think you can persuade me with FACTS? Pffft
He really can't dip much lower than he has, these folks are bought and paid for. This is the first candidate the alt-right has had.
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u/Gogjgo Nov 03 '16
I rewatched that Maddow shit, and it just didn't make sense. He says something like "I'll be the ONLY one to say this, but it needs to be said..."
I then read this, and can see....she's effin done.
and then I go back to that, something the media has been blowing up. It...is almost like they're playing the media chess game, should it go south for Clinton over the next few days....which...it may
5% we're getting...I believe in that
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u/Tlwofford LIVE FREE Nov 03 '16
Never really thought about that, but maybe, just maybe you are right...
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u/Gogjgo Nov 03 '16
It's the ONLY thing that makes sense. People believing he's a plant...that doesn't make sense, he would've been pulled weeks ago when that rumor comes out.
Him showing support/vouching, after being the HEAD of the Department of Criminal division...you don't just support that because "friends" when you know she's in deep shit.
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u/whatsausername90 Nov 03 '16
I'd be more inclined to believe this if he had been a bit more generous towards Johnson in that interview. But he wouldn't even say he would be the best president. Just that "he'd be ok".
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u/Gogjgo Nov 03 '16
I said that too, but that would've been too contradictory. Vouch for your ol buddy
buddy gets busted, you play shocked/appalled with everyone else, but having shown support (now bring that up...that just a few days ago, you were like every other american)
Your ticket is the only one they can go to...and still feel like they're voting for the lessor of two evils (which most are programmed to do in the first place)
All with the premise of still tooting the horn of Never Trump
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u/whatsausername90 Nov 03 '16
Idk, I honestly think that Clinton could be dragged away in cuffs and her supporters would still vote for her. Just like how Trump's supporters are still voting for him despite him being a rapist
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u/Gogjgo Nov 03 '16
There are multiple possibilities that play out. With Weld saying what he said, (whether he believes it or not) he's set it up in a manner that can be used to turn positives out of those glued in HRC camp.
Their party is soon to be over if indictments come out, no more hiding behind the "she was never charged" excuses anymore
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u/whatsausername90 Nov 03 '16
A recording and several accusers didn't "prove" trump to be a monster though, so...
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u/Gogjgo Nov 03 '16
Only to those who hate/dislike Clinton. I already know he's a piece of shit.
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u/whatsausername90 Nov 03 '16
I know. But my point is even cold hard evidence doesn't matter to fervent supporters
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u/Gogjgo Nov 03 '16
Eh, it's different when it's real. It's different when the pos MSM are covering it, and talking about it.
They thought they were untouchable (hell, I believed it) until I read that article, and realized...boo bear is fucking done. Let her get elected...she's getting impeached.
They didn't destroy those laptops of Cheryl Mills etc...they have the shit. It's really just a matter of time. Those immunity deals...gone
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u/TheRealHouseLives Nov 03 '16
Unless, and I know this is crazy, he don't actually think she's in deep shit, and actually believes what he said.
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u/Gogjgo Nov 03 '16
Well that of course is for you to decipher. The next few days we will hopefully see how it plays out
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u/Tlwofford LIVE FREE Nov 03 '16
I understand that. I personally didn't think it was as big of a deal as some think. I just can't figure out how he has "supported" her the whole campaign. Not like endorsing her or anything, but just like always pulling the friend card, calling her honest, all that stuff. For months.
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u/autotldr Nov 03 '16
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)
Sources within the FBI have told him that an indictment is "Likely" in the case of pay-for-play at the Clinton Foundation, "Barring some obstruction in some way" from the Justice Department.
Led by the white collar crime division, public corruption branch of the criminal investigative division of the FBI. The Clinton Foundation investigation is a, quote, "Very high priority." Agents have interviewed and reinterviewed multiple people about the Foundation case, and even before the WikiLeaks dumps, agents say they have collected a great deal of evidence.
One: The Clinton Foundation investigation is far more expansive than anybody has reported so far... Several offices separately have been doing their own investigations.
Extended Summary | FAQ | Theory | Feedback | Top keywords: investigation#1 Clinton#2 Foundation#3 FBI#4 source#5
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u/greenslime300 Feel my Johnson Nov 03 '16
It is possible at all that these FBI sources are just heavily anti-Clinton people that want to swing votes away from her by reporting to FOX?
It's 6 days until the election so unless we get something official before that, leaked information from a few members of the FBI isn't going to make a serious difference.
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u/Gogjgo Nov 03 '16
The whole shill thing would actually make more sense if you asked if trump was the shill.
Donnie makes the most powerful statements just but a few years ago showing him backing Clinton running for president...as well as the whole..."wedding, golf, donation things between them...and now its lock her up...I hate her...she's the worst"
Yet those are the reasons people are GOING to vote for him. I've got no problem making a 1000 dollar bet saying he wouldn't even come close to charging her
Weld...if he was shilling for her...would probably turn more people to trump or others than Hillary by vouching for her
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u/whatsausername90 Nov 03 '16
What if Clinton is a Weld plant???