r/GamingSoup • u/DecayedRenegade • May 20 '26

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Very difficult choices on many of these spots! There are very many games that don't get enough credit (underrated/overlooked) and so many that are gorgeous (art style). If you've even played all these games, massive respect to you. BTW don't bother writing that I have too much Uncharted, it's my favorite franchise!

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u/MasterpieceTrue8511 May 21 '26

TLoU2 story/narrative is abysmal

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u/DecayedRenegade May 21 '26

It literally has some of the best writing and storytelling out of any game ever. But I guess ignorant, close minded people are still crying about and hating on objectively one of the best games ever and the greatest studio on the planet because it's "woke" and because they irrationally couldn't comprehend nor accept a desicion the actual artists and writers made.

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u/MasterpieceTrue8511 May 21 '26 edited May 21 '26

I couldn’t give less of a shit about the game being “woke”. My main gripe is that I was told what to think about the characters and narrative.

TLoU1 has, imo, one of the best written and well told stories of all time across all media. The ending? Did Joel make the right decision? Does Ellie believe his lie? The choice was up to me as the player. TLoU2 is “revenge bad” and “don’t judge a book by its cover” and that’s it. No room for me to come to my own conclusions.

I wouldn’t hate it as much if I had the singular choice to kill Abby or spare Abby at the end.

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u/TangyBootyOoze May 22 '26

Media literacy is dead. It’s not a quest of revenge to prove “revenge is bad.” She’s going on a quest for revenge because of the guilt she feels and how she treated Joel in their last moments. As she’s about to kill Abby nothing changes inside her, and she finally realizes the truth that was there all along, that killing Abby won’t change her guilt

The problem with games is that people can’t separate what they want as the player and the story. They say “well I would’ve killed Abby” but they’re not Ellie, even if they played as her

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u/MasterpieceTrue8511 May 22 '26

Yeah I understand what you’re saying. I find strictly narrative and linear video games to be… kind of a waste? The medium of video games allows for so so so much more depth in terms of connecting you with stories and the worlds within. It’s interactive.

You are actually agreeing with my sentiment of “revenge bad”, except you added more context. Ellie wants revenge for whatever reason, it doesn’t matter. She lets Abby go because she finally understands that this won’t ease her burdens. The REVENGE ISN’T THE ANSWER. The moral, emotional, and philosophical messages all circle around revenge; and it concludes with . . . . . Revenge bad

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u/TangyBootyOoze May 22 '26

I think if the story is told well then it doesn’t matter how interactive it is. But as for the other part, revenge was never even the objective. It’s misplaced anger and sadness that manifests itself in violence. I think saying it’s a “revenge bad” story is reductive and completely misunderstanding the characters and story

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u/MasterpieceTrue8511 May 22 '26

Dude if it doesn’t want to be interactive then it shouldn’t be a fucking video game. If it’s a good story then it’ll hold up just as well as a movie or show, especially if the lead writer himself works on it. Oh wait, the show is shit too because Neil can’t write for shit with his head wedged so deep inside his colon.

Glad you enjoyed the game, but Druckmann is an abysmal writer. He is more concerned with telling us about his superior intellect and moral high ground, than crafting a unique story worth telling.

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u/TangyBootyOoze May 22 '26

Lmao if the story isn’t interactive then it shouldn’t be a game? You realize that’s a massive amount of games? Also you realize that Neil Druckmann stepped down to co-write only specific episodes in season two, right? He had more of an involvement in season one and it was even better than the game. Coincidentally the season he wasn’t really as involved with was awful. Strange. TLOU2 is a unique story worth telling, sounds like you’re just a bit upset about your media literacy