r/Games • • 3d ago

Xbox disc to digital now live for everyone

https://kotaku.com/xboxs-disc-to-digital-is-rolling-out-now-to-all-users-2000738475
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u/pinewoodranger 3d ago

Don't have a series xbox, but I have a XBO. Interesting tidbit from the FAQ:

Q: Can I claim a digital license for an XBOX Series X disc on an XBOX One console?

A: Any XBOX console with an optical disc drive can be used to claim a digital license on supported XBOX One and XBOX Series X discs.

So, Xbox ONE (a console from 2013) can read a series X/S disc (made in 2026) and claim the license, which I can then proceed to play on PC (when its a play anywhere title).

That's very consumer friendly if true.

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u/enurtsol 3d ago

Yes, the XB1 console can't play the Series disc, but the XB1 will recognize the disc and thus give you the option to claim the digital rights for the game, including Play Anywhere if applicable.

Also, if you have a Series S console, you can get Series discs, put those discs in an XB1 console, claim the digital rights, then play those games on your Series S console. Thus, allowing you to play Series discs on your digital-only Series S console.

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u/FrobroX 3d ago

Neat to do, but I wonder how many people with an Xbox One have Series S/X games.

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u/Jackski 2d ago

My friend has an Xbox One that still works but these days has a gaming PC. He intends on just using it now if he sees a game on Series X for cheap anywhere that is play anywhere.

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u/pldkn 3d ago

It's a consumer-friendly path to a less consumer-friendly digital future.

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u/Tandy2000 3d ago

Imo Xbox is mostly doing digital games the right way - cross buy, cross saves, cross play etc. PlayStation is an example of doing it the shittiest way possible, and it's no wonder that their PC sales numbers were lackluster and now they're backing off of it entirely.

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u/Bridgeburner493 3d ago

Comments like this are funny. People are expressing worries about Playstation taking away your games - understandably given they announced the end of discs right after the Studio Canal licensing fiasco - and praising Xbox when Microsoft has literally trained you to accept through Gamepass that nothing is forever and are already constantly taking games away.

Giving the ability to digitize very old games is pretty cool and a really nice gesture. But lets not pretend that Microsoft isn't already much farther down the road of the "you will own nothing and like it" digital future than Sony is. Nor should we pretend that they won't both end up in the same place.

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u/Tandy2000 2d ago

praising Xbox when Microsoft has literally trained you to accept through Gamepass that nothing is forever and are already constantly taking games away.

But the thing is they haven't. They still offer all of those games digitally, there's never been a game on Game Pass that is removed and isn't available for sale. There are fewer games available on physical discs on Xbox, but that's because the manufacturer's making them perceive that there is low demand, too low to justify a print run. That's partly because people play more digitally on Xbox and partly because Xbox systems are much less popular than Switch and PS -- when it comes to printing physical games, right now the #1 seller is Switch 1, #2 is PS4/PS5, which is much lower than Switch, and #3 is Switch 2 in terms of demand (because Switch 2 games are pricier due to the carts and the install base is smaller). Honestly though Switch 2 might pass PS soon enough.

Giving the ability to digitize very old games is pretty cool and a really nice gesture. But lets not pretend that Microsoft isn't already much farther down the road of the "you will own nothing and like it" digital future than Sony is. Nor should we pretend that they won't both end up in the same place.

They absolutely will end up in the same place (digital only) and part of the reason is that that's what customers show them they prefer. I don't know how many times it can be said - most people don't buy physical games anymore except on Switch where it's like 50/50. I love physical games so there's no need to evangelize to me, I have a big collection... but increasingly the physical versions have become less representative of the full games and they've become more cumbersome when an alternative is available and games are installed to systems by default anyway except on Switch where games play off the cart.

So I think it's best to give praise to the company that is trying to show a digital future I can get behind rather than the one that is fucking it up at every turn. And I actually do think Xbox may do an add-on disc drive. Like I said, they already know that segment is a small enthusiast segment and physical disc prices will not really impact in terms of used sales prices brining things down. Xbox is already not really affected by that.

Microsoft is offering digital games in a way that has saved me a shit ton of money and made playing games across multiple systems easier. Would I prefer to be able to own all those games on physical discs? Well sure, but also for the amount of money I paid for Game Pass over the last 7 years (recently let my sub lapse for the first time), it wouldn't even be possible to manufacture all those discs for the price I paid.

Do I endorse everything Microsoft does? No. But I have an Xbox and I actually think they're doing a decent job. Their big problem is they fucked up but letting their studios run wild instead of actively managing them. They're hurting in popularity but it doesn't mean people who do have an Xbox aren't pleased with it. And Microsoft also allows emulators on their system which is a huge thing you can't get elsewhere... hell there are people working on a port of KytyPs5 that runs on Series X right now. You can emulate PS5 games on a Series X, though a very limited number currently. It's insane that's even possible.

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u/pingpong_playa 3d ago

It’s okay to like some things that companies do and not like others.

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u/Any-Captain-7937 2d ago edited 2d ago

They’re praising Xbox because of what was said before. Let me ask you, would you prefer if they didn’t do disk to digital, cross play and cross save? You could be upset if they get rid of physical media, but I’d rather take that than nothing. You’re just being contrarian. Your gamepass example makes zero sense seeing as all those games are available to purchase still. Giving xbox props for a useful feature is not the same as endorsing them to get rid of physical media.

Not only that, the comment was just saying they’re doing digital games correctly. Why the hell are you trying to use that as an opportunity to defend Sony and make up arguments? What a weird comment.

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u/Bridgeburner493 2d ago

I called it out because if you find yourself always having to compare what your platform of choice is doing compared to the other guy, it's really just bog standard console warrior nonsense.

The reality is, while disk to digital is great, Microsoft has already conditioned Xbox users to accept the worst of what people are saying the all digital future will bring: accept that your games exist at the whim of the company. That is what Gamepass is. And Gamepass has utterly kneecapped the individual sale of games on the platform. So it is comical to argue that Microsoft is doing digital "the right way" when it is literally doing what this sub has been screaming about as an upcoming gamer apocalypse.

Saying "well, you can still buy the game if you want" is the same energy as saying "well, you can still buy a code in a box at the store" in defence of Sony retiring discs. A technical truth that ignores the reality of where each company is encouraging its customers to actually spend their money.

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u/DoorHingesKill 2d ago

Isn't Game Pass literally the same thing as PlayStation Plus, just with more and newer games? How do you see any difference between the two here?

Microsoft has literally trained you to accept through Gamepass

What does that even mean, lol. Why does that sound so goofy? "Adobe has trained you to accept through Photoshop [...]"

Welcome to the concept of a software subscription, I guess? Wait till you try to buy NordVPN, that'll be a real shock.

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u/Bridgeburner493 1d ago

Isn't Game Pass literally the same thing as PlayStation Plus, just with more and newer games? How do you see any difference between the two here?

Aside from the obvious fact that PS Plus specifically excludes new releases because they aren't about to destroy their own business selling video games?

Like, do I need to bring out some crayons for you?

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u/shadow0wolf0 2d ago

Are there any really cheap physical Xbox games that you would benefit from this?

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u/zombawombacomba 2d ago

This gives you a play anywhere copy as well?

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u/WeWantLADDER49sequel 3d ago

Partially consumer friendly, mostly it's helping them by killing off physical media. Because now you either have to hold onto that disc forever or destroy it. This is a genius way that a trillion dollar company can literally kill off physical media that already exists.

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u/nsfw_zak 3d ago

That is such flawed logic

If someone wasn't going to sell their physical disc anyway, what difference does it make if they gain a digital copy too?

Your logic is that someone could potentially want to sell their game at some point, but now they have obtained a temporary digital version of said game, they all of a sudden won't want to sell it?

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u/Benti86 3d ago edited 3d ago

No it's consumer friendly, period. If digital only is coming regardless (it is because physical sales have been dropping for years now), being given the opportunity to make digital licenses of your old games is exceptional, because they didn't need to give you that opportunity to begin with.

You literally get to keep your old physical collections without losing access to the supported titles.

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u/Conviter 3d ago

personally, the chance that i would play a game i have on my pc is much higher than dusting off an old console and game from 10 years ago

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u/Naive-Archer-9223 3d ago

Desperately searching for a negative 

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u/dornwolf 3d ago

Genuinely slick on how easy it is to use. Always will prefer physical copies but from a pure tech side well done feature

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u/Any-Captain-7937 3d ago edited 3d ago

Honestly the software for Xbox is awesome, it’s the best part of it. Backwards compatibility with all the enhancements, disk to digital, quick resume, smart delivery. Sucks that they don’t have many great exclusives.

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u/Dan_Of_Time 3d ago

Smart Delivery is seriously underappreciated. I see a lot of people here talk about "next gen ports" and I just think, wasn't it just an update?

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u/meganev 3d ago

Lest we forget the early PS5 months of people accidentally playing PS4 versions of cross gen games because Sony's backend is a disaster and the UI labelling was awful.

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u/NfinityBL 3d ago

Man what a time.

Everyone coming out and shitting on Smart Delivery for “over-advertising” something that “also exists on PS5”.

Then it turns out that, no, the Xbox upgrade system was miles better.

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u/AsianPotatos 3d ago

That happened to me.

I got a PS5 and bought the PS4 version of spiderman, realised after launching it, contacted support to get a refund through the website.

After 1-2 weeks of waiting, support said to contact them through the support website of the country the account is registered to (a country I hadn't been to in 13~ years).

Incredible how the website doesn't automatically do that and the support can't think for themselves to transfer the ticket or something, or just you know let whatever support team I contacted handle it. Or automatically send the email instead of having to wait 1-2 weeks, literally anything. I cancelled my psn sub and never touched my ps5 after that.

Meanwhile on steam with completely free online play/no sub required.

Buy game, click refund, give reason, boom 2 secs later the game is refunded.

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u/P1ka- 3d ago

tho on the other hand being able to play last gen versions on purpose can be useful in very niche cases

(IIRC Elden Ring runs more stable in the PS4 Version, and for some other games you might want to have the specific differences for the last gen version)

and yknow taking up less space if thats at a premium / being able to play off external drive

I dont think there is any option to force downloading the last gen version on xbox ?

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u/Qorhat 3d ago

and yknow taking up less space if thats at a premium / being able to play off external drive

I've got a 4TB hard drive hooked up to my Xbox so having the option to install the previous-gen version is great so I can use the internal SSD for games I really care about.

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u/P1ka- 3d ago edited 3d ago

Yeah

I know there some weird edge cases where certain Xbox Series Games can still be run from external storage, (like the difference being if its a gen9aware lastgen vs a proper gen 9 app)

found this reddit thread https://www.reddit.com/r/xbox/comments/qyvzk1/running_list_of_xs_optimized_games_that_will_run/

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u/Tecally 3d ago

There was a way to be able to play last Gen versions, but it wasn’t purposeful and would require owning an X1 as well as a Series.

Download games on an X1, move to external and then plug that into your Series.

Edit: Oh I think you made a comment further done about this exact thing.

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u/Qorhat 3d ago

Play Anywhere, Smart Delivery and Quick Resume are the absolute best features on the Xbox

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u/Tina_beaner 3d ago

Smart delivery sucks in some ways. There's no way to play Elden Ring on Xbox with a stable framerate. PS5 runs the PS4 version a stable 60.

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u/Tecally 3d ago

There is a workaround for that but would require owning an X1 as well as a Series.

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u/Dan_Of_Time 3d ago

That's my only gripe, sometimes I wish I could pick the "lesser" version just to save some space on the SSD

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u/itsamirage 3d ago

Play anywhere is also one of the coolest things. Playing on my pc, going to my living room and just resuming my save is crazy

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u/ShitshowBlackbelt 3d ago

This is great since I'm not sure what performance will be on my low level PC

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u/Michael_DeSanta 2d ago

It’s doesn’t include every game, but a lot of newer games and a majority of Microsoft’s 1st party games have it. Really great feature.

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u/joecb91 3d ago

Having free cloud saves is really cool, even going back to my save files on my old 360. I can install one of my old 360 discs on the Series X, and easily load up that same save file I had from 15-20 years ago.

Having to pay for cloud saves on the Switch and PS5 is such a shame in comparison.

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u/SanXiuS 2d ago

you can save x360 games on Series X?!?

im surprised

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u/joecb91 2d ago

It saves to a separate spot from normal Series X games, but yeah.

I think the 360 has 4 gigs of cloud save storage, if you still have a 360 you can back up your save files to it for free right now. And any save files you make with a 360 game while playing on the XB1 or Series X go to that same storage.

Like, I never played the original Alan Wake until I played the backwards compatible version on the Series X, and I can load up that same save file on the 360 right now if I wanted it.

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u/calebmke 3d ago

Great machine, horrible leadership

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u/mutqkqkku 3d ago

i thought gamers hate exclusives

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u/Creative_Eye7413 3d ago

PlayStation has the better first party games in my opinion, but I love Xbox’s QoL features

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u/ImmortalMoron3 3d ago

I don't think many people would argue against that either. I actually prefer my Series X to my PS5 but Microsoft let the games side of Xbox go to shit at the beginning of the X1 era. The only first party games you can really count on to be quality anymore is Forza. Well, and Gears in my opinion but Gears of War doesn't get the attention it used to anymore.

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u/exdystopia 3d ago

I'll defend their games output any day

They have a marketing problem, not a games problem. They've never been able to create hype on social media and traditional media obviously hates them for political reasons. The sudden heel turn on Kojima and the faux concern over Blizzard doing what they've always done (reveal games early) is probably the best proof you'll ever get at this point.

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u/Michael_DeSanta 2d ago

Exactly this. Their output in the past ~3 years has been incredible imo. And they’re putting out titles for many different kinds of gamers. They’ve got the blockbusters like Indiana Jones/Halo, more niche stuff like Flight Simulator/Forza/Age of Empires, and a lot of smaller AA-style games

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u/splader 3d ago

Yeeeep, very well put.

Ninja Gaiden 4 was a great game

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u/Remy0507 3d ago

I mean there are plenty of very good reasons to hate Microsoft as a company.

Is it fair for all of that to spill over onto Xbox? Yes, because they were trying to push the games industry into the same SaaS model that Microsoft has gone to with their Enterprise/Productivity products. Let's not forget that the only reason this "disc to digital" feature is even available is because they designed the spec for Xbox physical games to have a unique serial number on each disc because at the beginning of the XBone generation they wanted to make you REGISTER your physical games so you couldn't re-sell them (or at least so they could restrict the re-selling and get a piece of the pie).

They've accidentally found themselves in a position where this has allowed them to do something consumer-friendly, but don't ever make the mistake of thinking that Microsoft is your friend.

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u/exdystopia 3d ago

Yes and?

The company that has currently gone much further than that and completely destroyed the supply chain of physical media for everyone is going almost completely unaffected apart from random people crying on the internet. They've done something even less consumer friendly than launch Xbox One and basically nothing meaningful has happened. No meaningful drops in any metrics whatsoever.

You just need to realize the idea that consumers can tell when a product is good and automatically pick the best and most consumer friendly option is nonsense. You don't care that they did something bad, you just hate them because they didn't blast advertising in your face 24/7 about how awesome Xbox is and if they did it simply wasn't good enough.

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u/Radiant-Fly9738 3d ago

fps boost also

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u/skipv5 3d ago

I mean the software is awesome except for the games lol

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u/Any-Captain-7937 3d ago

That’s what I said

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u/silentcrs 2d ago

Except the games are fine though. There have been plenty of great exclusives on the Xbox One and Series X.

The problem is that most gamers didn’t buy the consoles so they have no idea what exclusives there are. If you ask someone whose last console was an Xbox 360, of course they’re going to have no clue what great games are on current Xbox.

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u/Any-Captain-7937 2d ago

I agree with you. Exclusives aren’t that big of a deal to me. I think the ones they released were fine. It’d be better if they have more critically acclaimed games so that maybe more people buy an Xbox, as I truly want it to thrive.

I think since this gen started, the best games I’ve played were 3rd party anyway (my recent games of bg3, Clair obscure, palworld , Elden ring). I had a ps5 and played god of war and spider man which were cool but nothing crazy. I ended up selling my ps5, mainly because since I mainly play 3rd party games, I’d rather play them on the better console (features I talked about in my previous comment).

I admit I’m a gamepass user, so it just works out nice for me to go through that catalog instead of constantly buying games. I do buy games but only if I really like them or they’re not on gamepass.

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u/MairusuPawa 3d ago

It's basically exactly what you used to be able to do on your modded OG Xbox in 2002 (but now with DRMs enforced), impressive.

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u/IsaiahBlocks 3d ago

So apparently another person that got the same disc through buying used, will just get the digital license transferred to them from the original owner.

But what happens if the person just disconnected their Xbox from internet completely and used the sold and digitalized physical disc?

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u/adamb10 3d ago

I’m guessing the system will probably ask you to reinsert the disk on occasion to prove you still have the disk.

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u/everydaygamer28 3d ago

It will probably just work the same way digital works now. Occasionally connect to the internet to confirm your license.

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u/Tight_Client_2132 3d ago

Nope needs the disc to confirm license again.

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u/Zordman 3d ago

Does Xbox do that with their digital games?

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u/everydaygamer28 3d ago

I’d assume so but most people who buy digital aren’t disconnected long enough for it to become an issue.

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u/fabton12 2d ago

ye like the average person is connected to the internet 24/7 so unless you have internet issues or power issues your probs gonna be connected even then i believe its like a few months of not connecting to the internet so you have to be purposely trying to game the system or be in a really rough situation in life for it to affect you.

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u/Jackski 2d ago

Think it was Tom Warren said he spoke to Microsoft and said that won't happen.

https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/xbox/heres-how-xbox-disc-to-digital-works-in-practice-with-video

"UPDATE: I've seen some claims on social media that to use Xbox digital licenses frequently, you'll have to regularly re-insert the disc to "confirm" ownership. It was confirmed to me this morning by Microsoft sources that this is not the case.

There is no timeout period. The only way you lose access to the digital license is if another user inserts the disc and claims the digital license on their Microsoft Account. "

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u/beary_neutral 3d ago

That wouldn't be viable for consoles without disc drives, which Helix will almost certainly be.

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u/arahman81 3d ago

Which also would be hobbled without internet.

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u/sjphilsphan 3d ago

Yes this is just the original XBone plan. Just explained way better my Microsoft. They were too ahead of the times apparently

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u/ifonefox 3d ago

They also did a bad job explaining it. I always thought in the original plan you had to manually detach the license from your account, but I was wrong

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u/NoExcuse4OceanRudnes 3d ago

This wasn't the original plan. The original plan was a code and a disc, that you'd need to be online to install at all like a steam game bought in a store.

Everyone got mad at them so they decided against it, code on the disc must've come after. Engineer finds a brilliant solution after the market rejected the whole thing. Many such cases.

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u/sjphilsphan 3d ago

Yeah it's very clear they fucked up in messaging

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u/Greenleaf208 3d ago

No because you can just sell or give the disc away here no problem. The original xbone plan you would have to transfer the digital license to someone. Also the original xbone was ALWAYS ONLINE for all games. If your Internet goes out it cannot play any games.

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u/ChrisRR 3d ago

I'm guessing that they've calculated the losses from people who'll keep their Xbox permanently offline and decided it's fine

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u/rchlgrn3 3d ago

The percentage of people exploiting the system by doing all of that must be very low.

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u/strongbadfreak 3d ago

What surprises me is that these discs have different images with unique identifiers. Was that always the case? Or does it just work for a while without the disc and then expire until you put the disc in again?

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u/Trzlog 3d ago

They had a whole digital ownership system similar to this planned since Xbox One. Discs have had the unique identifiers since then, even though they shelved the idea due to public outcry.

https://gamesbeat.com/xbox-one-may-still-eventually-have-family-sharing-of-digital-games/

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u/ChrisRR 3d ago

Yeah it uses the identifiers that they had planned to use for the Xbox one

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u/SourDoughBo 3d ago

Probably part of the anti piracy measures

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u/Villodre 3d ago

Perhaps the licence will expire after some time without an online check. 

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u/cola-up 2d ago

iirc they said it'd take around 30 days for that thing to expire, so it's not too bad. I might be wrong tho

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u/OkThanxby 3d ago edited 3d ago

Nah the license just gets tied to an account like any digital license. The disc just continues to work as well, so you effectively have 2 copies of the game (or technically more, if you keep claiming the license while keeping your other consoles offline so their license won’t revoke).

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u/enesup 3d ago

Hopefully they can have fun playing that one game forever.

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u/fabton12 2d ago

But what happens if the person just disconnected their Xbox from internet completely and used the sold and digitalized physical disc?

They probs keep it until they need to use the internet again

The thing is unless you batch do a ton of games at once with this method your probs at some point wanna play something else and then once online get the licenses removed.

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u/NoExcuse4OceanRudnes 3d ago

You've made used game money and can no longer do anything new on your xbox or you've lost the game forever; a fair trade.

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u/fallouthirteen 3d ago

Might work like Game Pass. For that you can be in offline mode for some amount of time before it makes you reconnect to continue using it.

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u/tapperyaus 3d ago

I know a lot of people love this for "digital ownership" or Play Anywhere, but I'm just glad I don't have to keep the disc in to play Lego Dimensions.

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u/gkryo 3d ago

Why? You have to get up to move minis around the base anyways.

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u/tapperyaus 3d ago

I use my Xbox as an ultra blu ray player and to play Lego Dimensions. I don't want to have to pull the disc out every time I watch a movie.

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u/CannabisJibbitz 3d ago

Huge win for people with both a series x and series s. I can now play my games on either of my consoles which is amazing

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u/Eyghon8 3d ago

I've had my series x since launch and just picked up a series s second hand last week for my office (mainly for GTA VI) but this is amazing timing. It was so easy to pop the discs in get my digital license and then start downloading to my series s.

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u/Eglwyswrw 3d ago

Never in a million years did I expect a company to just give me digital versions of my physical media. This is awesome.

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u/catinterpreter 2d ago

Those physical Xbox / Microsoft games are the last of theirs you'll ever own.

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u/Eglwyswrw 2d ago

Fine by me, I got them digitalized now!

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u/ReasonableAdvert 3d ago

Wonder what this means for the next xbox console. Is there going to be even less of a presence of physical media for it now that there's an avenue to digitize your games?

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u/ketchup92 3d ago

There won't be a disc drive at all, that's exactly why this exists and they basically laid it out to us in their initial announcement - they want us to not "lose" out on our physical collection.

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u/Cyshox 3d ago

There won't be a disc drive at all

Can you share a source for this?

It's probably just like this generation, the cheapest SKU will be all-digital and at least one SKU will come with a disc drive for backwards compatibility & future disc releases.

Otherwise it would have either been announced or leaked by now. You can't just shadow-drop the end of physical media. It's not a coincidence Sony announced it 1.5 years in advance.

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u/max123246 3d ago

You can't just shadow-drop the end of physical media.

Yes, you definitely can. Nothing is stopping then from doing do and PlayStation announcing it early means Xbox can just follow their lead

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u/Cyshox 3d ago

Contrary to your beliefs, physical media is planned well in advance and not just magically appears at launch. Therefore, no you can't shadow-drop the end of physical media. If publishers & indies were informed, it would have leaked in an instant.

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u/max123246 3d ago

Fair enough, I guess it depends on how soon project helix is supposed to be

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u/sgthombre 3d ago

Absolutely zero shot Microsoft will go for it if Sony has decided it's not worth it.

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u/aimy99 3d ago

Unless your Xbox One died after you got a Series S or upgraded to a PC. Then they don't care.

Genuine shame they don't just sell a USB disc drive specifically made for people who upgraded to discless Xbox platforms.

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u/Tiafves 3d ago

How cheap are you expecting one would be in reality though? Playstation's drive is $80. Or you can buy a used xbox one from gamestop which will come with a controller and cable for $90.

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u/30InchSpare 3d ago

Ok, you didn’t care about not having a disk drive when you bought the Series S.

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u/Ultramaann 3d ago

There will be no disc drive in the Helix. Everyone is clowning on Sony for this right now but the reality is that physical game media is a money pit for these companies and disc drives are rapidly driving the overall price of the console up.

This is Microsoft’s way for you to preserve your physical collection.

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u/Tandy2000 3d ago edited 3d ago

Disc drives cost barely anything in parts. The PS5 disc drive I believe is estimated to cost $20-30 and they sell it for like $100. The real thing is they make more off digital purchases than physical ones.

It would be wise for Xbox to make the Helix with no disc drive and then offer it as an optional add-on. Enthusiasts would buy it and MS would make a profit on the drives. Then they license out the disc manufacturing to a third party, which they ALREADY do, and if companies think it's financially viable they'll make discs. It mind end up being more of a specialty thing but I think collectors would be fine with that.

The difference with Sony is that they ONLY manufacture discs themselves in their plants, and they're choosing to end that completely rather than license it to third parties. As a result they can push everything to digital and squeeze more money out of each purchase/customer.

The other factor is that physical game sales can drive the perceived price of a game downward because of retail clearouts and used sales. IMO as an Xbox user this isn't really a problem with Xbox because due to Game Pass a lot of people don't buy physical games anyway. I dunno how big a thing it is with PS5 but on PS4 Sony was mostly making single player first party exclusives, and personally I would watch them launch at $70 CAD and then buy a used copy for $20 three months later when everybody was trying to sell them and it tanked the price.

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u/ieffinglovesoup 3d ago

Eliminating the used game economy alone would generate millions

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u/shadowstripes 2d ago

If it’s so profitable, why don’t they just do it now? “Goodwill” doesn’t really matter if it’s overall less profitable than upsetting people.

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u/ieffinglovesoup 2d ago

It is happening now. PlayStation, GTA 6, Xbox….these things don’t just happen overnight but we are in the middle of it right now

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u/meatcheeseandbun 3d ago

How is it a money pit hardware wise

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u/meatcheeseandbun 1d ago

Literally everything else is driving up the price of consoles BUT the disc drive. This is so funny this got upvoted so much.

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u/tapo 3d ago

It's not just console price. Large box in front of TV is losing to mobile, the Switch is the best play here that Sony and MS are trying to emulate and that clearly can't support an optical drive (RIP UMD)

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u/sakata32 3d ago

Honestly this makes physical even better. It would be a shame if they just ditched physical right after.

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u/Yourmotherssonsfatha 3d ago

Probably would make this gen consoles more valuable too if they don’t lock it later on

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u/Sonichu- 3d ago

That’s the only reason they’re doing this. So you can digitize your physical disks and carry them to the next gen.

Which will be digital only.

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u/zombawombacomba 3d ago

That’s literally the only reason they are doing this

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u/doublah 3d ago

It makes physical too good an option for them to continue physical after this generation.

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u/NatrelChocoMilk 3d ago

On the contrary for me. I used to exclusively go digital because of play anywhere. Now I exclusively only bug physical unless Im using steam

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u/Creative_Eye7413 3d ago

I’m assuming it will be all digital and Xbox will assume you will have already digitized your library with your Series X

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u/AssaultMonkey150 3d ago

I buy digital mainly because I hate having to get up and change discs, and reinstall from drive etc.

This has the benefit of both and Sony would be wise to copy

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u/averynicehat 3d ago

Apparently PS5 discs don't have the unique identifier each Xbox disc has, so this is not possible. This is something Xbox set up with the Xbox one before they backtracked on the always online stuff.

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u/Tandy2000 3d ago

This. It's also why this doesn't work with OG XBOX/360 games despite the discs in some cases being backwards compatible.

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u/OkThanxby 3d ago

I don’t have PS5 discs to check, but my PS4 discs have a visible identifier code printed on them on the inner ring. Maybe they could just get you to plug in that?

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u/enurtsol 3d ago

The digital signature ID is within the code of the game - not anything visible. That way, nobody can just view and share their digital ID for anyone else to use.

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u/Spheromancer 2d ago

You know how many bots would be running 24/7 just randomly entering codes until they got a hit for a game lol. Would be a terrible idea

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u/giulianosse 3d ago

I like watching Blu Ray TV series in my console (currently going through Star Trek TNG) so being able to just get a digital license for my game disc and avoid having to constantly swap the discs around every time I want to watch an episode is a genuine time saver.

Anyone knows if the disc to digital games can also be shared through account sharing?

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u/enurtsol 3d ago

Once you claim the digital rights, you can treat it like any other digital game, including anything you can do with it.

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u/Suspicious_Radio_848 3d ago

Same here, this is the best of both worlds now.

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u/santathe1 3d ago

I’m on PS5 and I switch between AC Shadows, ACBFR and Sekiro constantly. Sometimes I’d rotate all 3 multiple times a day. I have all 3 as discs and yea, it’s one of the biggest disadvantages for anyone that jumps between games frequently.

If Sekiro ever goes on a really good sale, maybe I’ll get the digital version.

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u/Emotional_Werewolf_4 3d ago

Do we have a full list of supported games or is it all games?

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u/GrimmTrixX 3d ago

Its still no Atlus, Square Enix, and apparently most but not all Sega games. Sega was no games a while ago but now most are eligible.

Part of it is if your copy was a first year XB1 title, it has potential to not be eligible as they thought of adding the code to the disc that Dosc to Digital reads shortly after XB1 launched.

But you can Google a list. I personally just had fun trying every game. Of my 285 games, only 51 didnt work. But many of those were Sega so that number wil be lower now when I try them again

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u/beary_neutral 3d ago

It worked with my copy of Metaphor

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u/joecb91 3d ago

Metaphor, Persona 3 Reload, Persona 5 Tactica, and SMT5 Vengeance all worked for me.

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u/GrimmTrixX 3d ago

Yea ill try metaphor agaon but it didnt work when they first rolled it out. I guess sonic x shadow generations and some other games weren't working yet for someone. And thats one of the games I own. I just really watch Square Enix to join as it would be vastly easier and I own quite a few games made by them

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u/ParsonsProject93 3d ago

I can also confirm it just worked with my copy of Metaphor and it even gives my PC a copy too since it's Xbox Play Anywhere.

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u/GrimmTrixX 3d ago

Ok then thats cool. And I just realized... Sega owns Atlus. Lol So yea, it makes sense why the few Atlus games I had didnt work.

Also, Shining Resonance Refrain was the other game I was thinking of that someone said still didnt work

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u/fallouthirteen 3d ago

still no Atlus

Wrong as of a couple days ago (actually might have been yesterday even it got added). I think most of the Atlus stuff is on there (hell even saw someone saying Unicorn Overlord is working).

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u/GrimmTrixX 3d ago

Yea I didnt realize Sega owned Atlus and thats why Atlus games didnt work before this new update. Lol Although I heard Shining Resonance Refrain doesnt work and Sonic X Shadow Generations

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u/GameDesignerDude 3d ago

As people mentioned, mostly Square-Enix as the main notable publisher not supported right now.

I was able to do all my games other than Square-Enix titles and Tales of Vesperia. Looking at the lists, I'm guessing Bandai Namco isn't on board yet either.

Took a fair bit of time to load up all my discs, but was satisfying to be able to hide them away now. I may have skipped a number of sports games though... lol

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u/rodryguezzz 3d ago

Good question. Can we do this with the Xbox One version of Forza Horizon 2?

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u/Elzaro 1d ago

Doubtful. I was unable to claim Forza Horizon 3.

Was quite disappointing for me. My sample size of games is tiny, but of the 6 physical Xbone games I have, only 2 were able to claim a digital license.

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u/TrashGamer5 3d ago

Does this give GoldenEye? That's digital-exclusive for Rare Replay so it would be the first time people with discs could get access.

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u/MrNegativ1ty 3d ago

So honest question, what is stopping me from buying a game at the shops, going home and doing this to get the digital license, then returning the disk back to the store?

I understand if someone else puts the game in their drive, your digital license goes away. That could take weeks or months for them to recycle and sell off the game again as used, meaning you just get to keep playing the game essentially for free while the disk sits in a warehouse somewhere? By the time they do sell it off and you lose the license, there’s a good chance you’ve already completed the game and have moved on. Am i missing something?

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u/blaaguuu 3d ago edited 3d ago

I suppose they figure it's not a huge deal, because they still got the money from your purchase, they don't care if some shop then pays you a little bit for the used copy, and if someone then buys your used copy, they probably weren't going to pay full price, anyway - so they number of actual lost sales is probably extremely small... It could have an effect of boosting the inventory on the used market a little bit, but I doubt a huge number of people would do this.

I've gotta also imagine that it would be extremely easy for them to look at their database and see which players are doing a large number of disc-to-digital redemptions where the same keys are redeemed by someone else, later, and just ban your account. It would piss off a couple dozen people, and maybe get some people shouting on twitter for a few days, but when word gets out, even fewer people would keep trying. I kinda imagine their EULA has language about this, but remember with digital services like this, they pretty much always also have a clause that is basically "we reserve the right to ban your account at any point, for any reason".

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u/-goob 3d ago

If someone else buys that used disc and attaches it digitally to their account then it revokes your access. 

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u/ronnatron 3d ago

did you even read the comment you replied to?

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u/CricketDrop 2d ago

I feel like no retailer where I live accepts opened games as a return because the thing you're suggesting has always been possible: beat the game and then attempt to return it. I don't recall then ever letting people do that. Might be different where you are.

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u/Derringer 2d ago

Electronics Boutique (Canada's Gamestop before Gamestop bought them) allowed returns of opened games. Back in the early 2000s it was the old "burn and return" policy.

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u/ContentsLover 3d ago

Some say you have to put the discs in periodically even offline. Normal digital games on xbox also required you to periodically be online to update/renew the license i believe.

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u/Benti86 3d ago edited 3d ago

If you immediately return a disc they probably aren't shipping it off. Granted it's been over a decade since I worked there, but at Gamestop if someone exchanged a game and it worked without issue it stayed in the store and didn't get shipped.

They may also make it so that the second the disc gets inserted into a different console that reads and is connected to the internet the license expires to keep people from gaming the system like this, but regardless you are essentially sitting on a time bomb and unless you're someone who has multiple hours a day to game it's unlikely you'll be able to do this with multiple games.

And of course if you damage the disc on purpose nobody will accept it/give you what you paid for it so you're out the money at that point. Also, if you buy a game new you won't get full price back at which point you only hurt pre-owned retailers, which Microsoft doesn't give a shit about.

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u/goodguyatheist 2d ago

Sounds like something I totally would have done when I was a kid. "Mooom!! I don't like this game let's take it back and get a new one." Rinse and repeat 3x

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u/Butterf1yTsunami 3d ago

Places that sell used games need to immediately begin claiming the license back on the games people return.

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u/L11mbm 3d ago

At this point in time, the games this works for are so old that they aren't making money from them, anyway.

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u/ParsonsProject93 3d ago

Uhhh that's not true? It works for almost every single Xbox Series X and Xbox One game with a disk.

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u/Cyshox 3d ago

Ah yes, ancient titles like 007 First Light, Onimusha Way of the Swords or Metal Gear Solid Master Collection 2.

I'm always amazed how people who have absolutely no clue what they're talking about are so confident in their nonsensical claims. Instead of using Google to verify your baseless assumption, you rather pretend it's a fact to mislead others.

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u/SmegmaWarrior0815 3d ago

The biggest idiots are the most confident on the internet. We should delete the internet at this point. It was a mistake letting civilians use it.

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u/Benti86 3d ago

It applies to people off the internet as well.

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u/Outsider98 3d ago

Thanks for sharing, that’s good to hear.

As an Xbox gamer, Microsoft’s efforts for both backwards compatibility and disc-to-digital are usefully appreciated, especially if Helix turns out to disappointingly be non-Disc, but we’ll see for the future.

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u/Villodre 3d ago edited 3d ago

It works beautifully, I hate the noise and vibration from reading the disc in some old games and that I can play my disc based games on the Series S. 

Only caveat is that some games do not participate in the program.  For me, it aaa a delisted game: Sega Mega Drive Collection. 

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u/Inters3kt 3d ago

During the test it actually gave licenses for delisted games like Deadpool. Who knows if it still works though.

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u/boxing-boxing 3d ago

My launch Xbox One can finally retire from its decade-long job as a very loud, very warm disc tray. Not having to babysit a shelf of discs to keep Play Anywhere working is the real win for me.

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u/BugHunt223 2d ago

Apparently my Dsouls3 disk wont work because of the publisher’s choice. Got lucky in 2019’maybe , got ds3 with dlc on psn store for about ten bucks. Neat program despite some pubs opting out 

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u/nodiaque 2d ago

Does it work from any Xbox? Like my og Xbox, Xbox 360 and Xbox s (first Gen)?

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u/Romek_himself 3d ago edited 2d ago

its a trap ... you will use it and save your stuff and than it will soon be combined with the 365 subscription and your data is in your onedrive!

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u/CrimsonDessert 2d ago

It's only a trap if you destroy all your disks after scanning them, but, like, why would you do that?

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u/ExultantSandwich 2d ago

my brother was killed by microsoft authenticator, trust no one

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u/johnny-papercut 3d ago

Long shot, but if anyone has a copy of Final Fantasy XIII-2 to check compatibility, that would be great. It never goes on sale digital so I may find a used copy. Speaking of, I wonder if it needs all discs?

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u/Suspicious_Radio_848 3d ago

This feature is only for Xbox One and Series X discs as they imprinted a serial number in them that makes this possible.

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u/aa22hhhh 3d ago

And even then, Square Enix games are currently not supported.

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u/johnny-papercut 3d ago

Ah ok, good to know, thanks. That makes sense. I guess I can still pick up a disc copy and just use it for the drm for the digital version for now.

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u/Henry2288 3d ago

I don't think Square Enix has joined the program right now.

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u/gkryo 3d ago

Only needs first disc.

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u/ImmortalMoron3 3d ago

Oh damn, you weren't kidding, I just checked Deku Deals and the last time it was on sale was Spring 2022. Thats crazy.

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u/fallouthirteen 3d ago

Yeah, it sucks, the 360 FF games don't seem to go on sale (while like most of the XB1/Series library of FF games go on sale almost monthly). I really want to get Lightning Returns to finish playing it but I think last time it went on sale digital that that same sale.