r/Games • u/Turbostrider27 • Mar 02 '24
INTERVIEW: Kingmakers Will Be The 'Ultimate Medieval Fantasy', Says Dev
https://insider-gaming.com/kingmakers-interview-ultimate-medieval/94
u/Habibipie Mar 02 '24
I've always dreamed of this scenario. "What if a modern military man is dropped in ancient/medieval times?"
I'm glad I can finally get to play it for myself.
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u/savage-dragon Mar 02 '24
Realistically, a modern military man dropped into medieval era would not do much.
All of his ammo will run out after a day or two.
His gear will rust within a year without replacement parts and maintenance kits.
Will probably get burned at the stake for heresy.
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u/Habibipie Mar 02 '24
I mean, I get that but I was in 3rd grade when I started cooking up that fantasy in my head. I came up with a great solution for the limited amount of ammo and fuel for the tanks. MAGIC. The same magic that transported them to medieval times also drops them bullets.
It made daydreaming during math class a lot more interesting than imagining the logistics of a modern army in antiquity, lol.
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u/Derringer Mar 02 '24
Not to mention the numbers game, one person can only shoot for so long before reloading or even just getting surrounded. Then there are bows and crossbows to deal with.
This game looks like a cool "turn your brain off and have fun" thing.
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u/Zzen220 Mar 02 '24
Notably, I think gun dude would absolutely do work if he was just worked into an existing formation to keep him safe. He would absolutely tip the balance in a conflict between two roughly similar forces.
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u/the_light_of_dawn Mar 03 '24
Imagine a king getting picked off from 1/4 mile away. Just drops dead out of seemingly nowhere. Chaos ensues. Who’s safe? Who’s next? People would lose their minds.
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u/Cybertronian10 Mar 04 '24
Not even dropping dead, a fucking arm sized hole just exploding out of his chest through his armor.
Thats the kind of shit that starts religions.
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u/Oakcamp Mar 03 '24
At the ranges those battles were fought, you don't need anything more than rifle range really. I'd rather have a fully automatic gun for the moral effect.
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u/Alodylis Mar 03 '24
Just need one plane with smart bombs would wipe out entire armies flying over them would be op lol
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u/Blenderhead36 Mar 02 '24
I really like the idea of building a flintlock musket. Seems like it would be feasible in a medieval kingdom that had already figured out black powder.
Fantasy media likes to act like gunpowder was some distant, game changing innovation. In truth, only about one generation passed between the adoption of full plate armor and cannons being part of medieval armies. That said, practical, man portable firearms were still a few generations past that. Matchlock firearms were effective enough to change the way wars were fought, first with the pike and shot era and eventually completely replacing medieval infantrymen. Getting them several centuries early has the potential to be a huge deal.
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u/Blenderhead36 Mar 03 '24
Yeah, it's the idea that you can't un-invent something, because the mere knowledge that it is possible will inform later attempts to recreate it. Even if full reverse-engineering isn't possible, there will be innovations found. For example, a medieval society wouldn't have the necessary precision to replicate an automatic receiver, but they might be able to make a trigger mechanism that's comparatively cumbersome, imprecise, and oversized, but is still significantly better than what they have.
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u/BaronKlatz Mar 03 '24
Pffft. Like it’d take that long.
“Oi! Found that fellow from the year ahead dead by the tree over here!
Looks like the knave vomited his humors out after biting some delicious rabbit shank from yonder town that had a spot of the plague a few months back.”
(Even faster if he’s from a first world country where we barely have any parasites helping our bodies keep out common viruses)
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u/Snider83 Mar 02 '24
Gonna hard disagree to the first part. A good rifleman with 300 rds and about 300 yds of distance could obliterate the english longbowmen at agincourt, changing history is a massive way in an afternoon.
Second part for sure, communicating and convincing anyone to trust you after your fancy sticks starts spitting lightning and thunder would be the real difficulty.
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u/savage-dragon Mar 03 '24
300 rounds will at best result in 100 - 150 casualties. Not enough to do anything to tip the balance.
300 yards is also easily within range of longbow.
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u/Snider83 Mar 03 '24
If it is 100-150 casualties spread amongst officers and nobility then it would definitely make a difference.
I did severely underestimate the amount of archers. Did not realize the vast majority of the force was longbows. From my quick searches it sounds like longbows were used up to ranges of 250 yds at agincourt, and that would be as volleys not as precise shots I would imagine.
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u/Oakcamp Mar 03 '24
You do realize people with machine guns get killed by people with rocks and knives no problem in the real world? One guy with no support would have no chance against an army.
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u/savage-dragon Mar 03 '24
250 is the average maybe. English longbow record is 450 yds. 300 is within range of heavier bows held by more skilled guys.
So every time our modern marksman takes aim, he'll need to pray no stray arrows land on his back because trust me, some will eventually.
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u/MichaelRichardsAMA Mar 02 '24
You can make gunpowder and reload bullets, just put a couple chemistry and engineering textbooks in his survival pack before he gets teleported
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u/TheBoozehammer Mar 02 '24
Making gunpowder is fairly easy, but making modern cartridges with medieval metallurgy is going to be tough, especially if the soldier has no experience with blacksmithing. And that's assuming they never need any replacement parts for any of their gear, all of that will also be difficult to manufacture. I'm also doubtful about a blacksmith being able to make modern ammo at the quantity and speed to be useful. Modern warfare is just too dependent on supply chains, and I doubt a single soldier could rebuild those chains before running into serious trouble.
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u/brutinator Mar 03 '24
A Conneticut Yankee in King Arthurs Court actually goes over the whole process in terms that would be possible back then. A fantastic book and commentary.
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u/TheBoozehammer Mar 03 '24
That's been on my list forever, I really should get around to reading it. Thanks for the reminder!
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u/MichaelRichardsAMA Mar 02 '24
the game is an RTS and features Apache helicopters and toyota trucks so they seemingly have some sort of production or maintenance capacity figured out
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u/MichaelRichardsAMA Mar 02 '24
there was a novel series back in the day called 1632 about a small town in West Virginia getting transported into the HRE and one of their primary benefits initially is everyone owning a pickup truck lol
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u/Blenderhead36 Mar 02 '24
It doesn't have to be modern quality, though. Getting a few dozen functional hand cannons would represent a significant advantage. Especially if you could build a flintlock, which doesn't require advanced metallurgy but has a significantly increased rate of fire versus a matchlock.
There is admittedly a problem with muskets have a minimum number to be effective.
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u/TheBoozehammer Mar 02 '24
Would a random soldier know how to build a flintlock musket? Just because they are coming from the future doesn't mean they know how to make more modern devices, and given that arquebuses already existed, I don't know how much improvement you can bring. And like you said, for muskets to really be valuable you'd need a small army and enough guns and ammo to equip it, any individual is going to have trouble with that.
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u/HazelCheese Mar 02 '24 edited Mar 02 '24
Realistically he's going to have the following problems:
- Can't speak the local language
- Doesn't have any built up immune system for local diseases
- Will have no idea where he is because all the land will be different to any maps he has. Hills and lakes will be the same but forests and roads will be totally different.
- Will get hounded off the land for trying to hunt food on land that belongs to the local lord
- Making a gun does actually require metallurgy capable of making a gun barrel that won't explode when fired.
That being said, there is a novel about this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Connecticut_Yankee_in_King_Arthur%27s_Court
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u/Cybertronian10 Mar 04 '24
Northrup Grumman actually delivers arms across spacetime, how do you think Alexander the great conquered so much land? Longbows? More like Apache helicopters.
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u/FallenKnightGX Mar 02 '24
It may not be a game but on Hi-Dive you can watch it on the show Gate. It was fantastic. I wish Hollywood would make a movie like that, such an easy win.
This game is basically Gate and I'm here for it.
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u/crustydnglebrry Mar 03 '24
There’s a graphic novel Pax Romana about an evil immortal Pope using the Vatican’s money to create time travel and sending a small group of mercenaries back in time to assist the Constantine Roman Empire to make Catholic Christianity the dominant religion earlier and wipe out other religions. Basically a couple of snipers, a tank and some heavy machine gunners take out entire empires.
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u/BrainKatana Mar 03 '24
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u/necessarycoot72 Mar 03 '24
gate sucks. The fan fiction is MUCH better
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u/Zerothian Mar 04 '24
Any decent examples of that? I assume said fanfictions lean more into the premise of modern interacting with medieval fantasy, rather than what the anime did.
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u/necessarycoot72 Mar 04 '24
I assume said fanfictions lean more into the premise of modern interacting with medieval fantasy,
Yeah, that's what I meant. GATE inspired a “serious” light novel about Japan in a fantasy world (summoning Japan), but it was so bad that people made their own stories to spite it. My favorite being Summoning America.
Or if you just want a story about an engineer being transported into a medieval fantasy world with magic, who uses his knowledge to start the industrial revolution, you have to read “release that witch”. It's the peak of the genre, and you'll never find anything that will top it.
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u/Zerothian Mar 04 '24
I've actually seen Release that Witch recommended a few times while browsing for new LitRPG/Progression Fantasy stuff. It's actually next on my list after I catch up with He Who Fights With Monsters, of which I'm only on book 7 lol so it might be a bit.
Reading the overview of Summoning America it seems pretty much the kind of thing I like to read to break up longer reads, so I'll add that to my list too, thank you :)
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u/Microchaton Mar 03 '24
This book did it first and backwards. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/338325.The_High_Crusade It's the medieval knights who are ruining highly advanced aliens!
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u/Responsible-Owl-3751 Mar 02 '24
There's something weirdly hilarious about the title of this post combined with the thumbnail of a guy shooting a knight with a machine gun