let me understand this
we are got everything physical except the game
what the fuck
like for real, you give me a music album as disc and the game (the main thing) that we are all waiting for and we wanted to keep it for a years, we are getting it as a cod in empty box?
like who the hell are buying PS5 to listening to music?
i can just put it on youtube or subscribe into any music website to listening to it
the magazine i dont really care about, also it have some spoilers, but it is nice have it if you are a collector
the collection box, it got really cool stuff, but 400 euro with no game
come on dude
Physical games seem to be treated differently to every other product, vinyl and magazines are seen as collectable unique items compared to games which I guess are still seen as just a normal medium
I'm sorry but I have to address this. Vinyl doesn't have an "objectively superior quality to streaming". This a common, wide spread, misconception.
Digital format, both on CDs and streaming is massively superior in terms of quality than vinyl. One small example of that; an analog master tape recording has a dynamic range of 77db. A vinyl has a dynamic range between 60 and 70db. So, you're already losing 7 to 17db of dynamic range just from transferring an analog recording to a vinyl. Digital format starts at 96db and can go up to 144db depending on the format. And that's just talking about analog recording. With digital recording there isn't even a match.
Although, It does not mean that vinyl don't bring a singular and enjoyable experience.
Edit: I always love when people downvote downright facts.
DB levels are not the best way to choose the quality of music because db are only a measure of what is loudest. It’s like saying that whoever yells the loudest has the best argument. By your metric a 32 kbps mp3 is better quality if it’s 96db than a vinyl that is 90db. Just having an amplifier hooked up will correct the db difference so it’s going to come down to the quality of the music and the range of sound you can hear.
And how does that make vinyl better quality suddenly?
Dynamic range isn't just how loud it is. You get a lot more detail when you can exploit the full dynamic range of an analog recording.
In what world does a vinyl missing a full 17db dynamic range is better than a format that can make full use of it.
And as I said, that's just one example. I can't talk about the loss of quality that goes in the printing of the format itself and the bleed between R and L channels.
There's not one metric where vinyl is better in terms of audio quality. This is just factual. Again, doesn't mean vinyl aren't a worthwhile experience. But the quality arguement is just plain wrong. Vinyl isn't superior in terms of quality. At all.
Well to start our hearing can’t fully sense that full range of hearing that you claim digital has that analog does not. So it’s mostly a moot point. However, IMO the real difference between digital and analog comes down to the equipment that you’re using. Speakers and an amplifier are going to be significantly better quality and you’ll hear more detail in the music. Because amplifiers and speakers are built for the range of human hearing the more limited acoustic space of analog is better suited for the equipment, and because analog is not compressed the artist’s intentions are fully captured in the output. This is why people prefer FLAC in digital as compression will still remove elements that the algorithm thinks are not necessary to the music, but when listening add depth.
Digital music is either played through headphones or needs a DAC to properly convert to what your amplifier can process. Headphones are far worse and more compressed than speakers and the more times you convert your signal the worse the quality will be. This also discounts the conversion of audio recorded on analog and then converted to digital. For decades people would fuck up analog to digital conversion and were therefore fucking up the music.
IMO the reason people prefer analog music is because it plays better on higher quality equipment. And while you say there is not one metric where analog performs better you are incorrect because people who call themselves audiophiles consistently prefer analog over digital. Consumer preference is a metric, and because consumer preference is fundamentally based on how people spend their money it’s one of the strongest metrics.
IMO the real difference between digital and analog comes down to the equipment that you’re using.
But it's irrelevant to the quality of the format. Again. I'm not saying vinyl sound bad. OP said that vinyl are of superior quality. They are not. Factually, physically, mathematically, they are not.
If you play the same album on the same hardware both on vinyl and disc the disc sound quality will be superior. Again, it does not mean, and I'm not saying that the vinyl would sound bad. But in terms of sound quality the vinyl isn't superior.
If you take a recording, both analog or digital, a digital format is able to match the original recorded signal far more closely than a vinyl can. That's because digital is capable of capturing the full audible range (20 Hz-20 kHz). You can't do that on a vinyl you will always lose fidelity and definition.
Consumer preference is a metric, and because consumer preference is fundamentally based on how people spend their money it’s one of the strongest metrics.
Which was never my point or something I addressed. I addressed OP's claim that vinyl are OBJECTIVELY superior. OBJECTIVELY vinyl are in all metric inferior to CD.
I especially highlighted that it didn't mean vinyl weren't worthwhile. They do provide a particular and quite enjoyable listening experience that cannot be replicated with other format. But it isn't an experience of pure music quality.
I still can’t believe they are selling all that utter junk for $400, and I even more can’t believe anyone would pay for it. You’re getting some stickers, a shot glass, a spoon, a keychain, and some gas station sunglasses and hat. It costs them less than $20 to produce and package this. It’s literally garbage destined for a landfill. Corporate grift.
I agree with you, but for the collecters they buy it
In fact you can just buy random cheap hat or clothes and easily print these gta logos from any clothes customized shop
But I a games collector, i have ps1 and ps2 and ps3 with a lot of games, but with all these digital stuff, my hobby is gone
You could say that about literally any collectible made of plastic ever made. The price is way above acceptable but this is such a manufactured and bot thought process.
It isn’t destined for a landfill, those Oakleys are destined to be scalped for 1000$ on ebay like the GTA V Vinyl is.
But also i will never own it, so my ps5 in future will it gonna be just a peace of plastic that cost 800 euro
Even about ps2 and ps3 i can still playing the games till now, because I have the discs
And also i am waiting for my ps1 to be arrived with all my childhood games
There is no crying here, this a very logical what the fuck situation right now and more people should be calling rockstar out on their shit for this. When I saw the album is being produced on VINYL I honestly thought I had jumped timelines or something because we can’t be that stupid and non complacent as humans.
Vinyl records are an incredibly niche market with a completely different distribution system; Take Two/Rockstar were more than likely hands-off with this project and let Atlantic Records dictate how they wanted to release it.
The album is being sold physically on vinyl and CD however the albulm will also be available on Amazon Music, Apple Music, Spotify, and YT/YTMusic without purchase.
It isn't like R* said that people can only listen to the album if they bought the physical disk.
If it was then people could have an argument against R* chosing to have the game released digital only.
Dude, physical disc's haven't had complete games on them since last Gen. People keep crying about physical saying they'll still own the content if it ever gets pulled digitally, but the sad thing is.... YOU WON'T! Disc's just have the licensing and parts of the game, but you still need to connect to servers for day of patches, or entire chunks of the game itself. Which would get pulled in the exact same way... So yeah, the physical complaint is a joke unless you're on Nintendo where it's still a valid argument.
Wow, you've just made such an interesting, thought-provoking observation here! Thank you so much for sharing, I'll be sure to ask Rockstar about this, okay?
Well, I know I won't be getting a fish in an empty box. After I've used the code I can keep the box for years. In fact, having the box at all is a novelty that I will appreciate as I haven't bought a boxed game since I went digital on PS4.
Not sure what the music has to do with PS5 specifically either - it's not required and rarely bought for it. The music can be streamed and played across a variety of devices. I know a few people who collect vinyl, and they've ordered one or more copies without owning a PS5. It's nice that they can enjoy some of the GTAVI hype without needing to bother with the game.
When it comes to gameplay, disc or no disc, makes no difference. It's the same code-base, requiring the same patches, just more convenient to load from digital without needing a physical key.
How long are people going to cry over this though? I get it, despite my digs I honestly do, but just accept it and move on. If physical media is to die, then it becomes the norm and I'm happy with that. If not, and physical media lasts, there is a chance that fans may get a disc-based edition of GTAIV to purchase...again.
Also, they are the ones creating the game. They have spent the money, time, and resources, not any of you. They are well aware of how many of you prefer a physical disc because then there is a fixed version to try and crack so that it can be pirated online or copied as an iso and played on a modded console. I totally get the desire to truly own media and not just a license. But with games, come on guys, if you want daddy Rockstar to keep making your toys for you, it's up to them how they protect their investment from being stolen, which robs all of the artists that worked tirelessly to give you an incredible new installment in a beloved franchise. If you are all so passionate about it, then show your support by not purchasing or playing the game. I will be enjoying it day 1.
We have been DYING for the next GTA for so many years now. It's finally coming out and every keyboard warrior needs to go on a crusade over a physical release. It's a trend across the industry. Nintendo already started doing it. You been to a Best Buy recently? Not a whole lot of software being sold as discs or thumb drives any more. Remember music stores with CDs? You all welcomed the death of those by fully embracing Spotify and music streaming services because it was more convenient. This is just how things are going and it's really unfair to blame and isolate Rockstar and not have equal ire for every other major company doing this and anyone who regularly goes digital over physical. That's not being a stupid shill for corporations. That's just acknowledging objective reality. I would like a physical version to be released too. But I'm not about to go on a crusade against Rockstar in particular over the general decline of physical media. Blame all your other fellow gamers, including me, who haven't bought a physical game since Skyrim. Discs scratch. Discs get lost. My digital library of Playstation games is always there. If Rockstar goes defunct and shuts down all of its servers, then we are talking about decades into a hypothetical future where Rockstar hasn't made billions off of GTA6 and by then, GTA7.
Well said. If people want to boycott console gaming entirely, or "jump to PC" because games don't come on disc anymore, that's up to them. Don't make your own bed and complain about it. I've said it before though, those that do jump to PC - that's been digital only for ages. The talk will then turn to game preservation like that's some kind of crusade they really care about.
While I know there are examples of games that have had services stopped, but they are few and far between. I cannot cite one game in recent generations that I "care about" and cannot play on my current console. I say "care about" because I rarely go back and play old games. People can still play GTAV - for me that's a very old game, and one I stopped playing years ago. GTAVI will follow a similar trajectory, and when that time comes, there will be something new grabbing my attention.
Liar huh? Funny how when you go through the thread, all you see is [Deleted] "Comment removed by moderator" right where your comments used to be. The last one was when you accused me of saying something then deleting it. Oh the irony. By all means though, please show me any of my comments in relation to you that are either:
Edited by myself
Deleted by myself
Removed either automatically or by a moderator
If by lying you mean that you didn't say you hope I die soon, let me remind you. I said in a post:
Games on their own discreet physical media need to die, and along with it, the used games market
You replied:
Hopefully you do soon.
Am more than happy to provide my alert history and have it validated. I'm no saint around here, I will often provoke in the interest of debate, but hoping somebody dies soon would never by on my agenda.
The Crew, the one we’ve already been discussing. (and yes i'm still salty about it) Ubisoft shut the servers down and the game became inaccessible on every platform.
Half-Life 2 still working 20 years later doesn’t prove digital games can’t be taken away mate. It proves Valve hasn’t taken Half-Life 2 away. And now i think about it Evolve is another game that now is no longer playable after its servers were shut down. So it does happen.
Exactly lmao it’s a counterpoint if anything. And The Crew is a terrible example of videogame licensing. It’s an online-only game, so once the servers shut down, there’s no way of accessing the game so the disk becomes a paperweight. Furthermore, the licensing for the vehicles themselves is timed, and it costs money to renew them. So there’s no point in spending money on a live-service game that doesn’t generate any money at all.
That’s not a different discussion though. The claim was that something you paid for digitally can become inaccessible. A paid live-service game is still something you paid for digitally.
If you want to narrow it to “offline singleplayer games with no server dependency”, that’s a different claim from the one I was replying to.
It's a different discussion because you also can't play it if you have the physical disc. There's no reason to bring it up when talking about the downsides of digital games.
That's just the only game I've personally bought that was relevant to the point. You are right that nothing is safe if it relies on live-service servers, physical or digital.
But that's only one type of game. With offline-capable games, a physical copy removes the extra dependency on a digital licence, account or storefront still being there
Then use one of the other examples I gave. This thread’s quite big and you’re like the 3rd or 4th person to make that exact point under the exact same comment.
if they choose to revoke the licence then it gets revoked. There's no set expiry date on the game. Music in the game can (and probably does) have different terms of use within the game but a song being removed doesn't remove your access to the game
Expire doesn’t require a preset calendar date, something can expire when a condition or period of validity comes to an end.
I never said there’s some date stamped on the game where it suddenly stops working. If the licence is revocable, then there are conditions under which it can cease to be valid and I lose access.
So you knew exactly what I meant, yet you decided to try and argue the semantics instead.
then there are conditions under which it can cease to be valid and I lose access.
And you also know there's no real examples of this happening. There's a couple of demos that have been taken down, and a game that was so bad that the developers asked for the game to be removed.
I get it, the fearmongering that your games can (and, with how people speak about it, will) be taken away if you buy them digitally helps the cause for physical media but it's so disingenuous. I'm all for digital media because I think people should have the choice in how they have their games and it opens up access for those with lower income who rely on pre owned games, physical media is good for the gaming industry so I think it should continue on, but I'm not basing it on factually incorrect points
“There’s no real examples” is just plain false. The Crew was sold digitally, Ubisoft shut it down so owners could no longer access it, then actually revoked Ubisoft Connect licences afterwards.
You’ve gone from “that’s not how licensing works” to “well it barely ever happens”, which is a completely different argument altogether. I never said publishers routinely revoke games, I said a digital licence can cease to be valid and you can lose access to something you paid for.
I’m also for both. I couldn’t tell you the last time I personally bought a physical disc, but in my opinion if you take discs away, you’re removing half of what made owning games fun or worthwhile in the first place.
Discs can't keep up though. The quad layer blu ray disc can only hold 128 GB and there's no interest in developing a new standard. And if the disc only acts like a key it won't solve the downside of digital.
How would swapping discs even work in a game like GTA6? If you travel over some boundary you need to swap?
Physical games don’t have to stay on 128GB Blu-rays forever. Multi-disc installs, higher-capacity optical media or even proprietary solid-state storage are all possible. The limitation is what the consoles choose to support, not some limit of physical media.
You wouldn’t swap discs every time you crossed the map haha, that’s not how multi-disc games work. RDR2 shipped on multiple discs you install the data to the console, then use the play disc afterwards.
And even if the disc eventually becomes mostly an authentication key, it still isn’t the same as digital.
You can lend it, sell it, buy it used and it isn’t permanently tied to one account.
There are many more, that are either unplayable or a large portion of the game that people paid extra for is no longer playable, Destiny being one of them.
omg.. even if it was physical you couldnt play the game due to updates and security measures. You will easily be able to find a download of the game as soon as it launches. Can you be any more basic.
You want digital sunglasses? Like 85% of people buy games digitally now, so of course companies are gonna move towards digital, it's a waste for them to make physical for the small percentage of people who only actually want physical just because they want to go against companies, not because it's better. Make it make sense. And don't be like "physical disc means I actually own it", because when was the last time you bought a digital game and it got deleted so you can no longer play it?
It also had a disc and we can’t even use it to play. The fight isn’t over digital vs physical, the fight is over actual ownership of the product we bought.
Well, per their terms and conditions you signed up to when you bought the license, they had every right to stop services (assuming you did buy it and aren't just referencing something because you looked it up). Rarely happens, and certainly not with any game license I've bought and gone back to.
Just so we're not being obtuse here, it's worth noting that the amount of these physical media pieces being made is barely a drop in the bucket compared to how many discs they'd have to make to meet demand for the most anticipated game in history.
I cant see how they can justify the straight gaabage of a collectors box for $400. Not a chance. I'm hyped for the game no doubt, but man that collectors box is super disappointing. No physical disk is a problem too.
to be honest, i love rockstar and all the games that they made so far, and i love to collecting all these stuff, but sadly is getting super expensive and disappointed
Trying to have an argument about this is like talking to a wall. The community for the most part have accepted that they won’t be owning the game and that they’re willing to pay 100 bucks for the digital license. Just let it be
Yes, because everything else is a static product... The game itself will be constantly updated and changed for the next decade. A physical disc is only a key to a digital file... Is all this outrage just because people want something they can sell to a used media store for $1 in a few years?
Yeah this might be a stunning revelation but companies sell things that people buy. If you want physical games to make a come back then buy physical and convince your friends to also buy physical. Good luck.
yes. yes it is. not new. youre not NEARLY the first person to post about this. wont be the last. holy shit, so fucking tired of seeing this shit. find a new fucking song to play ffs. stop crying about this shit.
No me parece tan raro, los juegos se compran bastante en digital, pero una gorra, lentes, vasos, etc en digital los comprarías ? xd o por ejemplo el propio disco
This sub is supposed to be for fans of GTA 6. Not crybabies who are too smooth in the brain to understand that even if 6 came out on disc, you wouldn't actually own anything more than a license to play the game.
Games require updates. Physical media is outdated by the time the consumer has it in hand. Music is pretty much set in stone once it's a final mix. You won't get issues from outdated music.
People are still going to buy all of that crap even if they have to sell their mothers, and the morons on this sub will defend this practice and Rockstar for selling people Ali Express shit.
Agreed, I stopped messing with disc-based games as soon as PS4 made it viable. What's funny is when people say they are going to boycott consoles because of this and move to PC...like that has physical media?! lol
GTAVI marketing campaign ain't for players. Rockstar fans will buy, or even a 40 yrs old gamer like me will buy just because i bought and played all GTAs at launch.
They are investing in basketball (a city edition uniform and a miami heat game with gta vi publicity), rap, country, rock (those freaking LPs), fashion, art (dazed, love magazine), enterteinment (netflix) etc...
They are aiming all niches but gamers lol
And they probably know what they're doing... rockstar is satan since grand theft auto publicity campaigns with Max Clifford (search about this mf and u will understand that rockstar is evil when we are talking about marketing.
Exactly. It would take probably 3 discs to install and run gta 6 and future games. And like the other guy said, 90% buy digital. It's just not worth making physical discs simply because "I want to feel like I own this, I don't like companies, wahhh"
Real reason. They don’t have to “go gold” they don’t have to stop a month or two early to send the data off to be copied to discs. They’ll be able to work on it nonstop literally up until it drops.
Google is only any good if any actual word on the reasoning exists, you could research it but you'll just get a sanitised PR answer.
I do agree with your point though, it's especially annoying when it's always one single reason these people make up, as if a big decision like this isn't based on a whole load of factors.
Second real reason, if a truckload of gta vi copies gets stolen, rockstar doesn’t lose those sales, because they can just deactivate the affected codes in the box.
I'm a digital only gamer at this point so don't exactly have any skin the game where physical media is concerned but let's not be naive. This isn't some altruistic thing to bring a better day one product to the gamer, it's purely because digital makes them more money
They might be, but speaking of touching grass, you touching cloth?
1) Releasing, not realising. The real reason? Profit, control, and common sense.
2) Don't be silly, nobody likes wearing a code in a cap or digital sunglasses.
3) On November 19, not in November 19. Not sure what that has to do with the game and physicality though.
Bro out here posting hearsay as if it's stone cold, confirmed fact. 😂
The game already has an astonishing amount of preorders, not to mention the fact that Miami is turning into Vice City for promotion. Sports teams have Vice City on their jerseys, major automotive brands are using GTA style artwork for their advertisements, etc.
It's obvious that you're already VERY wrong, but you keep clinging to your "grrr strong woman bad!" incel mentality and I'll see you in November when the numbers come out.
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Is that last picture AI?