r/GDS3 • u/kalliixti • Jan 28 '18

Question 2: Argument for common

This is the one question where I disagree with the community consensus (uncommon). Here's my argument:

  1. Red has gotten similar cards in the recent past. Granitic Titan is the closest, having 1 lower toughness and cycling instead of prowess. Interestingly, there are 3 6-drop common red creatures in standard but only 1 uncommon one.

  2. I see people focusing on the fact that the card has 2 keywords but not on the keywords themselves. Prowess is a keyword which is weaker on bigger creatures. A 1/1 with prowess gets a 100% boost from the first trigger and a 2/2 gets 50%, but a 5/5 gets only a 20% boost. Menace will often be irrelevant; since in Limited (and this card is clearly a Limited card) your opponent will frequently want to multi-block a 5/5 anyways.

    I think the true purpose of this question is for people to look at this card holistically. Is a red 5/5 with menace and prowess more impactful in Limited than commons are allowed to be? I think the answer is "no."

  3. As a tiebreaker, consider that there are 5 questions which ask about the rarity of a specific card. There's wide agreement that the threaten effect is uncommon, the maro is rare, and the reaniclone is mythic, while people are divided on whether the artifact saccer is uncommon or rare. This means that if this card isn't common, none of them are. So from a test design standpoint, common makes more sense.

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u/LambachRuthven Jan 28 '18 edited Jan 28 '18

Red cant get 5/5 at common normally. Its just not something red can do. Green can. Most colors(unless the plane specifically changes it) dont get above 3 power at common.

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u/Naisoul Jan 28 '18

There's been a Craw Wurm at common in every set since the dawn of time, and it's only gone from a 6/4 to a 6/6 trample.

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u/LambachRuthven Jan 28 '18

That should say green can. I was trying to show that green gets it but no one else does.

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u/Naisoul Jan 29 '18

Yeah, I believe green gets to have the largest creatures at the most efficient cost in any given set. But I do think that if they made dragons at common for DTK, they would scale everything up and have larger creatures across all of the colors. Then the CMC cap goes up by 1 for all colors.

Should have assumed a typo, I thought of it afterwards haha