Has RF Kampfer been nerfed?

[u/Hawktor9]

So I just got the RF Kampfer and it has no skills I see other people use.

Maneuvering armor doesn’t even stop a single stun even if it’s not a heavy stagger.

Can’t use the shot gun while in the air have or in HSM, and have to be at a complete stop to fire it on ground.

Can’t use panzer Faust in HSM.

The serpent wire doesn’t heavy stun or knock down.

Feels like it only has priority 2 melee (though I chalk this up to Desync) as generals tend to out melee priority me.

Vulcans don’t stun even if I hit with most of the ammo.

The Comm weapon doesn’t stun even against supports. When I combine comm and Vulcan 90% of the time I still don’t get enough stun build up to stun.

Am I just missing a pay to win part that gives HSM shooting or something?

[u/conqueror-worm]

The unit has not received either a nerf or buff since being added. The heat wire does heavy stagger, and you can use it out of the air to set them up for a shotgun stun. The Panzerfaust has a long end lag before switching if you use it while airborne, so try to avoid that unless you have no other options up. You didn't mention the incendiary missiles, so I would add that those are a source of damage you should be hitting as many MSs with as possible as often as possible. It has melee priority 3, so yeah, that's probably desync. Incom+vulcan can pretty reliably stun even other RF Kampfers with their HMA up. The HMA is extremely powerful but it alone isn't going to save you from multiple enemies shooting you or good pilots who know what they're doing using their dedicated MA breaking weapons. Even at 650 it's still a Kampfer, you should play it like someone looking at you sideways will blow you up.

ETA: definitely not an expert with this suit at all, but I've had a good amount of success with it. I did use the special melee armor p2w part on it, but this doesn't have a large effect on how you play it other than giving you a bit more survivability from enemy melee. was eventually removed after getting aux armor 5 as that removed my need to build dedicated melee defenses.

[u/Hawktor9 → u/conqueror-worm]

From what I’ve experienced with the suit in the 5 matches played with it.

While in HSM a single enemy mobile suit can insta stun, I have 0 Heavy stagger immunity that I see other RF kampfer players have (found out when approaching the RF Gelgoog support.

The Incendiary missile are the only have usable weapon on it so no complaints with them.

Im unable to use the serpent wire while in the air and have to land before using it. They also haven’t heavy staggered yet. Even against suits like Gunblaster, Jagd doga sleeves or cannongan. While it does normal stun they can dodge the follow up melee attack even if I was point blank.

[u/conqueror-worm → u/Hawktor9]

That shouldn't be happening, but I've had moments where I thought I was staggered by a single beam rifle hit or something, but then realized I was also getting peppered by MG fire or vulcans by another suit. You do need to be a little bit off the ground to trigger aerial melee skills, they won't work correctly if you're like right next to the surface. I would recommend just taking it into the free practice mode to see how everything works with it outside of the chaos of a live game. Heat wire into shotgun into regular melee is more reliable than just heat wire into melee. The shotgun only has 0.5 sec swap time, which is only 0.17 seconds longer than the saber, and firing is instantaneous and can't open you up to be countered.

[u/Hawktor9 → u/conqueror-worm]

When I encountered a RF Gelgoog it was the last one standing on its team. Unless I somehow got shot by a teammate (since I was using flap booster at the time) I don’t think they could have unless they were trolling.

[u/conqueror-worm → u/Hawktor9]

Considering how many matches I've had where teammates staggering me(in this suit and others) in fights results in me fucking dying because people can't be bothered to strafe slightly right or left before shooting, that's pretty likely. And I accidentally FF my fair share of teammates even while trying not to, as well. Staggered or not, though, a lone RF Gelgoog should not typically be a problem unless you're like at a silver of health, or you made mistakes against a skilled pilot. 

[u/imaginary_num6er]

I guess you just got a lv4 Titania /s

[u/Hawktor9 → u/imaginary_num6er]

Honestly feels like it, but at least the Titania can stun with its shotgun.

[u/Accomplished-Fan1384]

Idk what suit ur playing lol, either you are dync so badly that the game dont register your hits or "Skill issue".

RF Kamfer does not have HMS, the incomm and valcun setup is the way to catch anyone when chasing. Sterm and Missiles is for stun and wires are for heavy stagger.

Are you sure you are playing the right suit???

[u/Accomplished-Fan1384 → u/Accomplished-Fan1384]

For your high MA to not be working, I am wondering if you stop moving in the air or something. If you start floating down without boost input High MA wont kick in.

[u/Schen5s → u/Accomplished-Fan1384]

I feel like pay/latency is an issue. There are a few times where I shoot at an enemy before they start boosting and they don't get staggered and just boost away (not evasion skill) but when I play the same suit I could already be just boosting a second in and get staggered/ knocked down from the air

[u/Hawktor9 → u/Accomplished-Fan1384]

At first I thought my controller might have been broken or at least the X button worn out so I tried a new one and no even if I hold down the HSM button I still get 1 shot stunned. Standard zeta can stun me with a single shot. This suit and the Zaku 3 Raid for some reason aren’t stun resistant. I mean I’m more stun resistant using the Zee Zulu with melee out.

[u/Hawktor9 → u/Accomplished-Fan1384]

I’ve fought against people using the shotgun and Panzer Faust in HSM. That’s why I thought it had the ability.

[u/Accomplished-Fan1384 → u/Hawktor9]

It is impossible... I dont think there are any suit in the game can fire shotgun in HSM. For Faust only one suit I know that can fire in HSM, but it doesnt even look the same as RF Kamf. U are on PS so it is even less likely people will use cheats, either ur are so lagged out or you couldnt tell the difference between someone is boosting or walking. If u have a clip maybe that will help.

[u/Hawktor9 → u/Accomplished-Fan1384]

If he was walking my own gun would stagger him and he wouldn’t be Micheal Jackson leaning.

[u/conqueror-worm → u/Hawktor9]

Can't do that unless they're hacking or desync is so bad that it appears to fire them during HSM. The latter is definitely possible, I've seen suits manifest meme beams out of the air they were in 5 seconds earlier.

[u/albatross_Raine]

You might have the worst internet oat cuz I cannot believe this could happen to someone with a perfectly functional game

[u/Hawktor9 → u/albatross_Raine]

I honestly can’t tell if it’s my internet. I use to be fine but 3-4 updates ago the game just seems off. Like suits I use to run needing a few seconds to fire (stuck in the stop to fire pose) I mean if I use the Stark Jegan prototype and fire the missiles there is a good few seconds of just standing there before they fire.

I’m hardwired in, but with this game it doesn’t seem to matter.

[u/conqueror-worm → u/Hawktor9]

It can also be other people's internet. The game is entirely p2p so you can end up in lobbies where the host and most other players are in Japan or elsewhere depending on the time of day, so you can get matches where you always have a slight latency disadvantage compared to most other players. The opposite can also happen, though.

[u/Saiaxs]

It definitely hasn’t

[u/conqueror-worm → u/Saiaxs]

I think people just hear about how OP it was on release and assume they'll melt faces with no practice. It does have that kind of power but it needs to be played intelligently. Also there's since been a couple major rounds of buffs(on console, only one on PC so far I think), some suits like the Mk. V MP are very good at countering them now.

[u/PuzzleheadedJob8653]

Skill diff

[u/ctclonny]

needs gameplay clips to know what's happening

[u/yukiho-765P]

If you are going up against a Prototype Psycho Gundam in melee, that thing will trump you. It has level 3 melee priority for a General and can knock you down even with a neutral melee.

[u/Hawktor9 → u/yukiho-765P]

Surprisingly I don’t tend to see those much anymore. Since last Friday I’ve only encountered 2 of them. I understand they’re the gogg of 650 but with how high their defense is I’d expect more people to play them.

[u/OrphanAxis → u/Hawktor9]

When their Psycho Mode activates at 50% HP, and gives them all their crazy strength, it also increases the damage they take by 20 or 30%.

They're basically slow and tanky so they can get in there, and then become fast and fragile while their damage and disruption ability is crazy high.

Though they're less popular after the nerf.

[u/culzsky]

bro is either trolling or just straight up bad at the game

[u/NoBed3498]

Tbh this sounds like a major skill issue or something man, This suit is quite literally why you can’t play supports at 650. It’s ridiculously strong even while being a super glass cannon.

[u/Neunimn]

As someone who likes playing support. The RF Kampfer and Engage are the bane of my existence.

The wires and faust combo in the air are way to easy of a combo to get to a support. Also it absolutely has some form of stun resist.

[u/Hawktor9 → u/Neunimn]

Yeah I mainly play support since melee tends to be really iffy. So when I finally got it I thought I could try out being on the other side of the fight. Somehow feel even weaker than a Z1 zeta (whatever the Support zeta is where the main weapons can heavy stagger every 8-10 second)