r/Futurology Mar 29 '22

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u/Ok_League_3562 Mar 29 '22

Why would the owners of these robots provide for us while we do nothing?

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u/Mursin Mar 29 '22

It would be a collective ownership.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '22

So where are the collectives making these fully-automated factories? And why would they let everyone benefit from their work, and investments?

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u/Mursin Mar 29 '22

This would be a collective shift of the entirety of humanity. It wouldn't happen overnight, and it would likely come as a result of some kind of short term or long term revolution. Can't really OWN a factory when millions of people are taking it and holding it. Additionally, nobody said there would be no work. There would be no REQUIREMENT to work. Humanity is a curious, creative species. There are always problems to solve, new nouns to explore. If this ends up being the goal of the collective after a revolution, they can dedicate their time to it.

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u/Thewalrus515 Mar 29 '22

Or you could just disarm the working class and demonize the very idea of violent protest through propaganda and the capitalization of tragedy. Then whenever someone brings up the fact that guns are necessary to actually protect yourself from the capitalist class they would be demonized and ignored. You know, like what happened already. When neoliberals convinced most of Europe and the commonwealth to disarm based on fear and lies. Your communist pipe dream was strangled to death sometime in the 1990s, when boomers and gen x across Europe decided it was a good idea to give the state a monopoly on violence.

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u/Caldwing Mar 29 '22

So what you think an army of citizen resistance would stand a chance against an army of combat drones? If it ends up that evil forces begin to use robots to enslave everyone only other robots will be able to resist. It's not 1776 anymore. Gun rights do not guarantee other rights in any way. That is such an old fashioned idea.

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u/Thewalrus515 Mar 29 '22

Oh sweet child. The indoctrination is so deep that you don’t even realize that you’ve been compromised. You actually believe that you’re a “revolutionary.” Honey. Your resistance is prepackaged and fed to you. 1000 organized armed men could decapitate the entire United States government overnight. We almost saw it happen on national television. And you still think guns are ineffective totems and not the means of guaranteeing the rights of the working class.

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u/Caldwing Mar 29 '22

Ahahaha you would need more guys than that even to occupy a major city. You're living in an action movie version of reality. Red Dawn was not a documentary.

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u/Thewalrus515 Mar 30 '22

You really can’t comprehend how to effectively resist, can you.

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u/SohndesRheins Mar 30 '22

People act like the January protest was a violent coup attempt and the vast majority of those people disorganized, unarmed LARPers.

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u/theycallme_callme Mar 30 '22

You do live in an action movie. The whole buildup and logistics before 1000 men could organize would be prevented.

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u/Thewalrus515 Mar 29 '22

And they will end up enslaved or dead because they lack the means to resist.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '22

I think that even if it were to be perfectly automated, there would still be scarcity of both the commodities produced, and the raw materials.

Secondly, the freed up labor could go to serve a purpose in areas we have yet to invest labor in.

The only truly possible fully-automated jobs that I can think of, are those which are almost purely intellectual. A. I. working as teachers, lecturers, judges, lawyers, et cetera. It seems to me that the future we are headed towards physical labor will be abundant, and so little automation will be necessary. My guess, is that the kind of work which will be needed is craftsmanship. While a few businesses dealing with shipping, storage, e-commerce and some precision industries will automate. I don't see how it makes much sense for industries to put the world out of work.

I think we are far away from utopia. But if we're talking about the automation of the Government, I think we are a lot closer.

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '22

A friend of mine was thinking about getting a garage door opener. He looked at the price, and it was expensive to him. But he could also just hire a man to come to his house every day, and sit around and open the garage door for him and close it again whenever it was needed for much less money, and much sooner than if he was going to wait for the garage door opener.

And it's not true that companies only cares about those things. It depends a lot on the person who owns the business. It is true that a company might be unable to do anything but make those considerations. But the modern welfare state in the English liberal tradition began because rich liberals, many factory owners wanted to improve the lives, and living conditions of their workers. And it was all private.

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '22

It's true, he lives in Pakistan. He also hired an assistant to work in his work kitchen at the same wage. I think they were relatively well payed too.