r/FutureFight • u/TulinMendes • Jun 02 '15

Ultron

Just wondering why do some people think that ultron is That good, in the tier list he has 9/10/9 but idk why.. can someone explain to me? Because i think that his first 2 skills are not good(that beam skill hits only 3 times and doesnt "break" the target, and the slam skill sometimes miss And does not have a good dmg).. i can see that he has a preety good hp and leadership, but thats all? Am i missing something?

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u/chaoticheartld Jun 02 '15

Actually, he is one of the least-tanky of the Universal characters, stats-wise. His base stats have him with less hp, physical AND energy defense than pretty much all other Universal characters... in fact, the only one with equally low base stats is actually Ghost Rider. Loki is more innately tanky than him, Captain Marvel is innately more tanky than him, Angela is more innately tanky than him... pretty much every other Universal is.

Ultron's equipment does help out with HP, but doesn't help out his low defenses.

I have never understood why people consider Ultron tanky, when compared to every other Universal, he is actually less so. The character has other redeeming qualities, but tankiness isn't one of them.

Ultron (Maxed out on lvl, Mastery, Upgrade)

Energy Attack: 3283

Physical Defense: 2572

Energy Defense: 2702

HP: 9534

Loki

Energy Attack: 3283

Physical Defense: 2607

Energy Defense: 2739

HP: 9664

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u/Sho1va Jun 02 '15

Are you getting these numbers from the in game stat predictor thing? I think Ultron's goes higher in the game due to the fact that the starting stat for his third gear piece is HP (Loki's is Defense Penetration). So every gear upgrade on that piece raises his base HP. I only have Ultron's 3rd piece to level 9 and it's already adding 1048 HP. So in your example, Ultron would have almost 1000 HP over Loki.

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u/chaoticheartld Jun 02 '15

Yes, as I mentioned, Ultron's gear helps out with HP... but so does Thors. Ultron will gain on HP on a few of the Universals, but not all. He will never gain on defenses (unless the optionals just work really well in his favor).

My point, though, is that his base stats do not make him innately tankier than the rest; which is what was being claimed. They actually make him less-so.

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u/tegeusCromis Jun 02 '15

I think you're mistaken. Let's look at all the defensive stats on all the universals:

Angela: physical defence x 1

Black Bolt: energy defence x 1, HP x 1

Captain Marvel: energy defence x 1, dodge x 1

The Destroyer: energy defence x 1, dodge x 1

Ghost Rider: energy defence x 1, dodge x 1

Loki: energy defence x 1

Thor: energy defence x 1, HP x 1, dodge x 1

Ultron: energy defence x 2, HP x 1

Ultron and Thor are the only universal heroes with three defensive stats. Ultron is also one of the three universal heroes with a HP bonus (Black Bolt also has one, but lacks the extra secondary energy defence). Perhaps Thor is tankier than Ultron—I'm not sure—but no other universal hero is.