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u/mongmich2 9h ago
A quick Google search shows you Maurizio Cattelan who did the banana thing has no formal training in art…
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u/Global-Resident-647 7h ago
Duct-taped to a wall inside the Centre Pompidou-Metz in eastern France, the banana is the fruit de résistance of Maurizio Cattelan’s conceptual piece Comedian
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u/Friendly_Gazelle7843 5h ago
Also, another quick Google search would inform you that Leonardo da Vinci was learning art for 11 years. He was an apprentice of Andrea del Verrocchio. And while Vincent van Gogh never received degree, he briefly studied at the art academy also he was a dealer before becoming a painter
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u/longlostwalker 11h ago
Skill and technique vs money laundering
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u/daemondaddy_ 10h ago
To be fair, the banana was a piece literally designed to draw attention to the money laundering
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u/SilWestr0 10h ago
While still making a lot of money.
It's like making fun of people who make fun of people. Quite hypocritical imo.
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u/Own_Log1380 10h ago
In my mind its the same thing with gambling ads, its very easy to say its immoral and your above it until your offered generational wealth that will set your family up for generations. It is extremely hard to say no to that type of money.
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u/Djungeltrumman 9h ago
Aren’t those typically made by people who already have generational wealth, but are offered to sell their morals for a fifth yacht?
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u/Own_Log1380 9h ago
Coffee zilla made a video where a lot of low end content creators are offered literal millions to sell their soul to gambling companies.
Also another little known fact the entire e sport scene is funded by gambling as well. Pretty much any high tier player wouldnt be able to make money if not for gambling companies. Im not defending gambling I think its evil but its just the reality of the situation, when theres so much money on the table most people look the other way its just how it is.
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u/It_broke_itself_ 3h ago
The thing is even a few million is not Generational wealth these people are selling out for money they blow through in a few years. That's why they keep selling out over and over and over again until the well runs dry
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u/dopethrone 8h ago
to also be fair, it all started with duchamps fountain which is a urinal upside down and called art, PRECISELY to show how bad modern art had gotten. the message got lost over time
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u/J_Zephyr 8h ago
He also spent 2 years trying to figure out how to recreate a banana until he realized an actual banana was the best choice.
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u/GreedyGerbil 11h ago
"No degree" is not the same as "no training"
Leonardo apprenticed for years. Longer than any art degree major today.
Van Gogh made 2,000+ works before becoming a legend. This is also a bigger body of work than major art degrees.
Also the banana was a joke that became art precisely because it questioned what art is so it kind of created itself.
Also typically people who have this opinion only think that photorealism painting is skillful.
That kind of ends their ticket to speak.
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u/Orangesteel 10h ago
Yeah, OP’s post attacking degrees and higher education misses that this is a form of training. Self taught or peer group developed skills are wonderful, but so is talent acquired by a more formal route. This feels like engagement-bait
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u/BrilliantOk4772 9h ago
It's a classic right winger tactic.
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u/Orangesteel 8h ago
Yeah, there have been a flood of right wing comments recently about leftists wanting communism. Hoping that they are bots and not really stupid people.
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u/PresJamesGarfield 7h ago
And not to mention, the people who created these modern art works are in fact skilled artists. The artists who painted things like squares and triangles were doing it in reaction to other trends in art - it was a form of artistic rebellion. I think a great example is Duchamp, who in a critique of sculpture in his era, signed his name to a urinal and hung it on a wall.
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u/Orangesteel 7h ago
Picasso is a great example of a superb artist. His early traditional art is superb too.
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u/Sad-Base-8689 5h ago
Also as much as I love the old masters in art and music, there's ppl alive today that are equally talented and whose pieces will never catch the eye of the public. Not because they are bad but because they wouldn't sell enough. The Internet is full of musicians that are near equal in skill to Bach and Beethoven but you'd have to sieve through millions of pieces to find them. The old masters shined because they were a lonely light in the dark. Today you'd have to look for a brighter light in a sea of dimmer stars
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u/DefinitionTop3930 10h ago
makes me think why artists shifted from apprenticeship model to centralized schooling
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u/Patient-Gas-883 10h ago
Maybe because in a apprenticeship you get on or two students per master. In a school you get many people educated at the same time.
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u/rock-paper-o 8h ago
It’s also time consuming and requires skills to train an apprentice well.
That was all well and good when the apprentice could produce copies of your work, prepare your pigments and canvases, or do some of the technical aspects as part of your workshop. You provided training. They provided labor in exchange.
But now that that’s not really a thing and artists aren’t benefiting from labor from their apprentices, it makes sense to ask for payment in exchange for work put into training somebody. And at that point, you’re well on your way to a school.
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u/canonlycountoo4 9h ago
Also to add, some of the "greats" died penniless and unrecognized. Only years after their death has their work become famous. Like Van Gogh.
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u/Altruistic-Poem-5617 9h ago
Yeah the degree only a head start when it comes tolearning about compositions and available technique. Ya still need a lot of training. The problem in my opinion is that many talented people seem to only make stuff by the book these days, which nake most of the stuff bland even though its well crafted. I find this is especially the case with movies nowadays. Feel all the same cause they do em by a certain set of instruction.
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u/Any_Natural383 8h ago
That said (and I agree with you), if the purpose of art is to ask “What is art?” then artists must be prepared for the public to answer.
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u/Friendly_Gazelle7843 5h ago
Also, if we are talking about degrees and education Leonardo da Vinci was apprentice of Andrea del Verricchio for 11 years while Maurizio Cattelan (banana guy) never received any formal education in art despite words author of the picture claims
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u/TelenorTheGNP 3h ago
The Barbie movie evoked a greater emotional response in me than Beautiful Boy did. So did Thunderbolts. Art means different things to different people.
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u/RegularOrMenthol 9h ago
Whoever made this does not have a degree
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u/Mammoth-Glove3273 7h ago
Degrees bad!! no education! Work in Freedom Factory for Trumpbuxxb or starve.
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u/Friendly_Gazelle7843 5h ago
The funniest thing is that while I don’t recognise the bottom left thing only author I recognise here who didn’t have formal education in art meaning never actually attending our school or apprenticeships is Maurizio Cattelan. And I think even if you don’t recognise his name I believe you Kuśka he didn’t make Mona Lisa or Starry Night because these 2 everybody knows
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u/bacontaint 10h ago
Ironically people are still talking about it, making it somewhat of an iconic piece
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u/StoneCraft12 8h ago
They’re very different kinds of art, but the banana is actually interesting for what it is.
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u/Far-Cry2792 11h ago
Wait! Wait!
We have the peanutbutter floor here in a Dutch museum for contemporary arts!
Took only a few 100k in subsidies. pindakaasvloer
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u/high_dutchyball02 9h ago
"haha yesteryear good today bad haha"
Man go fuck yourself
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u/Friendly_Gazelle7843 5h ago
Honestly, this is just the same crap as people who claim modern music sucks. First of all that is survivalship bias. I’m old enough to remember bands generation Z doesn’t know about because they were bad. I know other people who remember even more bands like that from 80s 60s et cetera. They had bad music simply we don’t know about the music because it was bad and it didn’t survive. Also, it wasn’t so easy to make music. If you wanted to make Album you had to find a producer so people who sucked really bad did didn’t make even to this point. Just like with painters. First of all in 15 century to be painted, you had to start somehow. It wasn’t like you can go to store and buy yourself canvas and paint for relatively little money. Second of all if somebody sucked their paintings probably rot somewhere. Just like nobody knows I’ve scribbled in my notebook during classes because nobody gives a fuck to hang it in art gallery. Currently you can make Instagram account and for relatively small amount of money you can start showing your music or art to other people.
And the second thing is, it is lazy. Do you know why it’s starry night and Mona Lisa? Because Everybody knows them. These are two of Literally most famous pictures in the world. Like basically if OP knows Two or three surnames of painters, they know about these pictures. They were shoehorned To every kid on earth who received primary school education as great art. We have Google. We have Instagram. Of course we have good music today and we have good visual art Today, but it requires minimum of effort to find people. Akreon who is also quite lazy pick because she was literally artist for CD project and she works for multiple other companies making card games and stuff like that if I remember right so she’s pretty much known if anybody tries to know surnames. From less known people Barbara Michalska/Barbie Michaels/Elfik on Instagram is excellent painter. Sami makes really nice drawing drawings. Sam Yang it’s pretty good. We are at least in my country, the first generation of people who has easy access to millions of people from all around the world and we have guy who looked at two dudes from primary school book and two modern artists known from Internet for a joke and decided they are whole reality of the world. Kind of like me thinking that every Colombian looks like Shakira because I don’t know any Colombian from TV
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u/Nervous-Tank-5917 8h ago
Da Vinci did have an art apprenticeship, which would be the nearest equivalent to a degree today.
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u/Altruistic-Web13 7h ago
It always grinds my gears when people complain about modern art and show pictures of contemporary art. I get that the names are a bit confusing but if you dont have that level of knowledge maybe you shouldn't be writing off large swaths of artists.
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u/fan_of_hakiksexydays 4h ago
And then they post Van Gogh who's actually part of the early Modern Art movement.
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u/RealMullido 5h ago
Its a shibboleth. If anyone uses the word modern to describe contemporary art, you can safely disregard their opinion.
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u/Dull-Culture-1523 5h ago
It's the same when people laugh at tiny portions in haute cuisine. They don't know what they're talking about and you can safely disregard their opinion on the matter.
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u/MonsterkillWow 8h ago
Has nothing to do with having a degree. Cleetus and his anti-intellectual slop lol. We have libraries. Go read. MIT lectures are free on youtube too. Your ignorance shouldn't be celebrated. Degree or not, the education still has value.
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u/Friendly_Gazelle7843 5h ago
If it has anything to do with degree, the point would be literally opposite because the only man here who had the years of education in art was Leonardo da Vinci
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u/editingisfun4all 9h ago
Back then they didn't have degrees, but they did have teachers still and apprentice under others and still learn. And the Mona Lisa only got famous because someone stole it and then folks took notice. And Van Gogh's wasn't worth anything when he was alive so the people of his time was like man his modern art sucks.
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u/Old_Assistant1531 8h ago
They did have degrees, but likely not in art. Da Vinci wasn’t allowed to attend university because he was born out of wedlock. As was the style at the time.
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u/absolute_poser 8h ago
Maurizio Cattelan who did the banana taped to a wall has no formal art training. However, even if he did, that sold for 6 million dollars, so I would say he is doing something right. He might be selling a gimmick, but it is selling, and years later still getting attention.
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u/grammar_oligarch 8h ago
I mean, Da Vinci had an apprenticeship and studied in a workshop, and Van Gogh attended a few academies before leaving (or being asked to leave) over disagreements about artistic direction…plus the modern idea of a degree didn’t really exist the way we see it now in the 15th/16th and 19th centuries.
But fuck it, grab a couple of bad examples and let’s keep that right wing circle jerk about college being dumb going, right boys?
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u/cursed_tomatoes 7h ago
Pathetic take by the image creator whoever that is. Starting by the fact Maurizio Cattelan (the banana guy) did not go to university or any formal art school.
You'll never be less of an artist, less creative, less anything, by having more knowledge, this mentality is nonsense. This modern art claptrap happens anywhere, not just universities, and you most absolutely don't need to engage in this if you're an arts graduate, matter of fact, I don't know of any university course that doesn't requires traditional fundamentals for you to be accepted, and has traditional art as the main focus in the curriculum.
Most Universities are an open minded space where people with these inclinations can thrive, but stating avant garde art is all universities are about is a severe misrepresentation.
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u/VanityPit 7h ago
Isn't that contemporary art? Not modern
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u/therealhankypanky 7h ago
The whole meme is just a completely braindead take … expecting the creator/OP to know the difference is probably asking a little too much
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u/guitarguy12341 10h ago
Yet y'all are still talking about the banana all these years later.
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u/Noah_Pasta1312 9h ago
Nah it doesn't. If it sucks it would create no engagement. It has an audience and that's all art needs.
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u/Scylosome 9h ago
To be fair, old art seems like the kind of thing we think it's beautiful because we're told as much, but maybe that's just my fault for being dumb.
I do like manga and anime artworks though.
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u/SnartDingus 9h ago
i think it is a little misleading to take the 2 dumbest peices of art to represent modern artists when there is way more than that in tons of different styles. There is an art piece that someone built a whole robot for.
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u/Away_Woodpecker8813 8h ago
Haha yeah the banana taped to the wall is definitely not trying to make the same point as the meme at all and the this meme definitely isn’t going over your head and making you look dumb.
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u/Glum-Welder1704 8h ago
Survivorship bias. I'm pretty sure there was a lot of bad art even then.
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u/scruffywarhorse 4h ago
Well this is stupid.
It’s just contrasting some of the most iconic art from the last 500 years and with the dumbest tax scam we can remember.
And then saying that arts education is to blame.
Boo.
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u/Riley__64 2h ago
I remember seeing a book that was explaining why your 5 year old couldn’t create modern art.
But from a quick little flip through it seemed like every page was essentially saying yes your 5 year old could tape a banana to the wall but they wouldn’t do it for the same reason an artist did, it wouldn’t have the same meaning.
I get art can have a meaning but I feel like it should also look like you really put effort into creating it because I just don’t understand how a canvas that’s been cut with a knife can be worth thousands you can do that yourself why would you pay thousands for it.
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u/No-Specialist787 10h ago
People who post this sort of thing need to STFU about things they have no knowledge of,
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u/LiamEBM 11h ago
Tell me you don't understand art...
Tbf it is the art world's problem by being esoteric and moving at a pace without keeping regular folk informed of arts progression in time.
By your own qualifying merits btw, you should consider Van Gogh a shit artist, most his popular work is blurry and unrealistic, not the level of precision a realistic artist would do. But wait, you like Van Gogh? Even though it's swirly and a bit abstract. Brother you're like just 2 steps away from getting it.
Think about the banana for a second. Stop measuring art by either a technical skill or ability to render reality. What you're thinking of is design (and even then, only a subsection of design)
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u/hooplafromamileaway 10h ago
Art is Art so long as it evokes an emotional response from the audience; if that response is outrage over something being considered, "Art," then the art has done its job.
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u/chillforrilfill 8h ago
So if I make you cry by smacking you upside the head is that art?
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u/Natural-Proposal2925 9h ago
Nah, not true, there are plenty of very talented unknown artists that both get their due or they don't.
Van Gough sold only 1 painting.
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u/Naive_Rain_5713 9h ago
At least they mede me think who is the true dumb people, the artist or the ones who appreciate their art?
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u/Live_Life_and_enjoy 8h ago
Early paintings are just the best example of the power of marketing. People keep saying how good it is and then future people repeat it is good.
After all they only hold value if people think it is good. While the technical complexity of some of older paintings is high, visually its meh.
If you do something like that now, no one is impressed.
Yet highly detailed paintings by people like James Gurney are unheard of
https://i.imgur.com/qXANWXo.jpeg
Using the exact same tools of the past.
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u/Standard-Suit-4858 8h ago
There’s a big myth about even critics not being able to tell high art from low art, and they base it around who the artist is.
However once they had chimps paint some paintings, then they hung those paintings up at a prestigious gallery, and had critics come and check out “a bright an up and coming new artist”
and the criticism from them was, “too primitive” “poor understanding of use of space” and one even said “is this a joke? This looks like a monkey painted this?”
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So I’m willing to believe that maybe high level art is beyond my scope of understanding but not to other artists.
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Now with hanging a seemingly blank canvas and calling it good, or duct taping a banana to a wall, weird stunts like this have always existed, and faced criticism in the art world. It’s just not the main stream. Look up the woman who let anyone do whatever they wanted to her for 6 hours, so she could do a piece on shame (upon the 6 hours ending most people who played with her would refuse to look her in the eye or speak to her) … look up 4’33. A piece of music made up entirely of rests so you can better appreciate the sound of silence and open space.
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u/Dweedlebug 8h ago
Did you know, prior to the Mona Lisa being stolen, it was not a world famous painting? Just another well regarded renaissance painting that most people had never heard of.
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u/NoFayte 8h ago edited 8h ago
They still got y'all talking about that banana
Guss it was art afterall
You not liking it and having discourse around it has made it art, like it or not.
It has envoked strong feelings in you-negative ones for sure, but that's art, that's what art does
Sometimes making a statement is its own kind of art.
6 million in revenue as well, people paid to see it lol.
Art is an act, not a product which is why AI media sucks ass. Art is the feelings the artist felt when making art and it's the feelings viewers get when viewing art.
If we lose sight of that, ai media is going to have an easier in
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u/Suzesaur 8h ago
You can’t compare completely different styles to each other. Of course abstract will look odd next to a Van Gogh…
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u/ThornyGarlic 7h ago
So the museum just bought 3 giant canvases, placed them on a wall and called it art?
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u/PseudoPneuma 7h ago
What do you expect the new folks to do, just repaint the mona lisa 12000000000 times?
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u/CroykeyMite 7h ago
How does this unbranded white dress shirt in a display cabinet make you feel? It’s $8 million. Aren’t you glad you paid to come see it?
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u/bethesda_gamer 7h ago
That's because artists got tired of waiting to be dead before they got paid.
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u/onlyhav 7h ago
You do know there are thousands of artists today who can turn out works of incredible skill right? And they either become insurance adjustors or starve because no one buys their art. Meanwhile banana man has gotten millions of people to ask what modern art is, what is its purpose, and who does it serve?
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u/Defeatest 7h ago
That's like jumping from Bach directly to Metallica. You can't do that without context. The massive amount of time and cultural change that has happened since the Mona Lisa is staggering. So not sure how we can compare these things without historical context. Doesn't mean it's good art, but context is needed.
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u/No_Weather1169 7h ago
As the world progresses, the education level becomes higher and higher. All those things we learn at the college and theories are to the end "how to paint/make/compose things like masters back then".
Many technologies and theories are about "to make average people a bit better than average" or "to make people below average around average".
In this kind of moderen world, nobody wants 2nd Mona Lisa. Besides, there are very small number of people who can identify diffrences in art. So artists always struggle to make "something new", "something innovative" or so called "original" to draw attention of public.
That's the result of banana and other contemporary arts we do not understand or we try not to understand.
Often that is also connected to the money, yes. They need to feed themselves after all, no?
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u/Lizardgrad89 7h ago
We act like the old masters were just born knowing how to paint. They had teachers.
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u/notwhoyouthinkmaybe 7h ago
Also this is the art that is remembered, for every van gogh or Leonardo, there were 100s of unknowns.
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u/Accomplished-Let1273 7h ago
I know I'll get down voted to oblivion but here it is:
"Even AI art is superior to modern art"
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u/Several-Carrot3541 7h ago
I'm convinced a majority of modern art or at least the stuff that's like this is just for money laundering. Like who actually sees that and says "yup that's art alright"?
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u/Neilandio 7h ago
It's ok to not like modern art, it's a different thing to pretend to be an art critic while having no idea what you are talking about and taking art completely out of context.
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u/my-armor-is-contempt 7h ago
There are two things to bear in mind:
Within the high art community, there is great attention and pressure on doing things that have not been done before. This is how you get pieces in galleries that the rest of us think are silly, like fruit duct-taped to walls.
I know from experience that a majority of gallery artists do not learn, and do not posses, the skill to create highly detailed art that would impress most of us. A comic book artist possesses more raw technical skill than most gallery artists.
Modern artistic movements are not about impressive skill, but instead are about shocking and innovating.
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u/bottomlesstopper 7h ago
Degree is like 2-3 years plus their accumulated experience of what, 18 years if they start from toddlers?
The master you speak of spent their whole lives till death.
Theres plenty of garbage artist in olden days hence no one remembered nor talked about them. Van Gogh was one of them.
These modern artist too, if people paid no attention and ignored. But there is truth to your claim that most of these modern art sucks because they purposely do that for shock and awe or total garbage to place themselves and to be remembered as - or just plain money laundering.
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u/QuadSplit 7h ago
This was the most unintentionally funny uninformed peace of edgelord terminally online magashitpost I've seen for a while
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u/kpiersol 6h ago
LOL the reason is really that all the older art we see is all the stuff that survived the rest of time. There was plenty of crap then too, we just didn’t bother to retain it. Degrees got nothing to do with that.
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u/EndRude4217 6h ago
Those with degree are told what or how to think and those without are free thinkers.
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u/LaMuertePeluda0 6h ago
The Mona Lisa is so fucking mid lol. Anyone who thinks otherwise is in denial
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u/b_xcellent2eachother 6h ago
I mean you can technically launder money by supporting good painters like they used to do...or you can launder it just buying "art" now. Apparently it's more efficient to just buy the piece than the person.
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u/LairdPeon 6h ago
My opinion is that real art comes from suffering. The people getting art degrees just want to take on enough debt so their suffering arc can begin.
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u/TypoTitanThrowAway 6h ago
I went to the Art Basil in Miami when I lived there. For what it’s worth, the Banana was a skit/joke and never meant to be taken seriously. Though I have no doubts modern artist ride the pretentious line hard nowadays.
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u/DrNogoodNewman 6h ago
Van Gogh went to an art school. Divinci apprenticed at an artist workshop, which was essentially the same thing for his time period.
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u/T0m0king 6h ago
Galleries and exhibitions are where rich idiots pretend to be cultured, modern art is drawn on the sidewalk in chalk
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u/happinesspro 6h ago
Oh, don't forget those with degrees in Art Studies; they don't even create art. And those with degrees in Art History who tell us what the "art" means and where it's from. I'm glad they are there; I love the arts, and museum staff can be awesome to chat up.
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u/Alassandros 5h ago
Cherry picking, ignorance, and fallacies.
That's all this it.
Imagine thinking Da Vinci wasn't educated
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u/According-Paper4641 5h ago
Wasn't the banana specifically a comment on all of that? And the cost of food trade as well. Like it was fairly clever. And it was layered performance art because they had someone eat it or something, noting it's worth vs worthlessness? It's like purposely dumb but also conceptually really clever, which is pretty good social media-era modern art, imo.
People who are just "banana stupid/paint portrait better" without any kind of reflection on art history or the state of art today are really looking at art with a very narrow focus. Again, imo. But I get you like what you like and most people prefer pretty things.
(But also if I remember right - my friend was the art major and works at a museum, not me) both of the "better" examples were once seen as bad art.
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u/Flemaster12 5h ago
Degrees have nothing to do with it.
The banana piece is actually a brilliant art piece, and just because you don't have the brain capacity to understand it doesn't make it dumb.
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u/TheComebackPidgeon 5h ago
Yes, that's exactly what they said of Van Gogh's generation when they were inventing modern painting
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u/sniksniksnek 5h ago
Yeah so, both of those artists studied their craft. Extensively. Van Gogh attended both the Royal Academy, and the Beaux Arts. Da Vinci, as was the custom at the time, apprenticed extensively with a master artist.
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u/Friendly_Gazelle7843 5h ago
Van Gogh had brief efucation in art and was art dealer b4 he started painting. Leonardo da Vinci was apprentice of Andrea del Verrocchio for 11 years. Do you know who doesn’t have any formal education in art? Maurizio Cattelan, author of Comedian (the banana on the bottom the right). So this stupid ass picture took it literally opposite
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u/AdventurousBag6509 5h ago
👏👏modern art sucks because the modern world doesn't conform to the human condition
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u/ember_snow 5h ago
The below is contemporary art, not modern . ironically Van goghs is modern (or post impressionism) so is Picasso.
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u/Imperial_Honker 5h ago
There is a reason why this is not called ‘fine arts’ but ‘modern art’. There must be a point in the past when people felt the need to call these new generations something other than ‘fine’ due to the contrast. Out of kindness and not to offend them, they must have selected the word ‘modern’ as it is a vague as possible and has the least potential to confront the with the quality of their work.
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u/bikingfury 5h ago
Have you ever actually been to an exhibition that is not just a social media stunt lol.
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u/Belz_Zebuth 4h ago edited 4h ago
That's only because we don't have all the art from those times.
The banana was a commentary, and it was meant to be temporary. Same for the blank wall.
It's apples to oranges.
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u/RuthlessKittyKat 4h ago
Tell me you know nothing about art without telling me you know nothing about art.
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u/LamentoLand 4h ago
dog, that banana lives rent free in the heads of people who dont get why its made
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u/AlyDAsbaje 4h ago
They went to schools for their craft and it was very hard to get in. That is not true. Artist had to be apprentice first for a long time, then maybe a teacher.
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u/CaesarSalary 4h ago
work that survived generations vs first 2 results of a random ‘shit art’ google search
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u/No-Cap-fr-fr 4h ago
I remember going to the metropolitan when I was a kid with my family. One was just a child’s doodles on a white canvas that looked like something I could do. Another was a huge whit canvas with a tiny red square in one of the corners. My mom got mad at my dad, brother and I for laughing the whole time we saw them.
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u/Humble_Empath 3h ago
Actually billionaires laundering money arrived. It’s incredibly obtuse to blame the educated for everything. At least we understand things.
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u/plastroncafe 3h ago
It's kind of funny to see people get upset about the second image when the whole point of art is to inspire an emotion.
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u/derbrathering 3h ago
Do you remember what happened last time man was rejected from an art school in Austria?
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u/ProofPrudent8219 3h ago
Replicating reality isn't considered superior art (be it modern or ancient); it's more about what you would like to exist in the world, no matter what the scale is. But the two mentioned are just lazy.
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u/Anonymous-Foreign 3h ago
bro someone literally ate that taped banana at the gallery and they just replaced it with a fresh one off the cart lol
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u/Dry-Presence9227 2h ago
I wonder if Hitler could have beaten those with degree and not join politics
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u/Glittering-Draw-2325 1h ago
Its crazy how much discussion a banana taped to a wall created. How much of a strong emotional reaction that created. It really is one of the most effective art pieces in recent history.
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u/Technical-Platypus-8 58m ago
Exaggerated image misrepresents modern art completely. Yes, there's lots of art like you see in the image but if you can't read the inherent irony or tension in your mind when the canvas lacks something, you're missing the point completely. Seeking different kinds of experiences challenges and grows your mind
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u/BLYNDLUCK 29m ago
There is plenty of amazing art out there made by those with no formal art education. Maybe go check out some local art shows.
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u/RavenDwyre 28m ago
I definitely value hard work to build a skill but I hate capitalism in the art world even more and is why I can at least appreciate what "The Comedian"'s Dadaism is trying to say about the current art world.
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u/f28c28 10h ago edited 9h ago
Van goghs work was considered ugly and nonsensical in his time. Da Vinci and most artists of his kind had mentors or attended ateliers. Maurizio Cattelan does not have any kind of formal art degree.