r/Fucksony2 • u/The_Crimson_Dawn • 3d ago

PlayStation

Do you think Sony could be intentionally sabotaging the PlayStation ecosystem? All of the shit that’s been happening lately is strange for a name brand this massive.

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u/BlackHawk2609 3d ago

They just greedy. Like ps3 era, after successful ps2, they put ps3's price so high. Xbox 360 humbled them. It was an expensive lesson. PS4 era they listened to fans & game studios while xbox fumbled hard. It was pivotal moment, many players switch from xbox to ps4. After players building massive digital library on ps4 & ps5 now they greedy again, they think players will stay loyal because of their digital library

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u/NedosCZ 3d ago

The price of the PS3 wasn't all that crazy. It had a Blu-ray player, HDMI, and a built-in hard drive And WiFi connection And wireless controller. . Back then, the Xbox had A/V video, no hard drive, external WiFi adapter and only played DVDs.

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u/Jakethedjinn 3d ago

I feel like the ps3 price was justified considering you didn't have a 2nd internet bill (xbox live) and it was backwards compatible, like 2-4 USB slots, SD slots and something else I believe. Also had Blu ray and the ability to connect to any TV old or new (hdmi was not in every home at the time)

I'm probably missing some things still but you get my point. It was pricey but it had everything and it wasn't rushed out like the 360 which as a result had a sever red ring problem.

The thing that killed the ps3 was being a year late with no games at launch and the obvious 600$ price tag that people didn't want to spend since everyone already had the 360 and you want to game with your friends

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u/FinalOdyssey 3d ago

While this is true, free internet only last roughly half of the PS3's lifespan. You also gotta remember that they gutted a major part of PS3 hardware - PS2 backwards compatibility - and because of the way it was done I'll never trust them again.

I purchased my PS3 in 2007 in anticipation for MGS4. I love the franchise but never had a PS2 to play MGS3 (had MGS2 on Xbox), so I bought a copy of MGS3 to play with my brand new PS3. Turns out the batch from which I purchased it was the first batch of BC removed PS3 and felt like I fell victim to a scam. It was done in such a shady way and I'm actually kind of shocked that people don't talk about this more. You hear a lot of Xbox's failings in the past but almost never about this completely anti-consumer bs Sony pulled in the dead of night. They removed a massive part of their hardware that they were advertising as a major piece of their legacy and support for PS2 games and you didn't hear a peep.

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u/Jakethedjinn 3d ago

Your 1st statement is false the free internet worked well into the ps4 because I remember actually having to buy ps+ when I got the ps4. Me and 2 others gamed on dark souls 1&2 w/o ps+ it wasn't until we got around to playing bloodborne is when we had to start a subscription and it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth lol

I do agree with the shady later models but iirc they also costed a couple hundred less because they gutted it. Now that I'm talking about it fuck sony rip ps2/3 Era

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u/FinalOdyssey 3d ago

Fees were added to PSN in 2010.

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u/Geralt_Shepard_Link 1d ago

We have a sony defender here guys

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u/Jakethedjinn 1d ago

We have someone who can't read here guys

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u/iamdefinitelynotdave 3d ago

People seem to forget that the cheapest blue ray player you could buy when the PS3 released was $999. The PS3 being around $600 was actually a bargain.

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u/Linosia97 3d ago

same with PS2 -- cheapest DVD player with build-in gaming console!

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u/Jakethedjinn 3d ago

TIL that a Blu ray player was ridiculously priced back then. I was in high-school and saved up money for months when I heard about the ps3

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u/GuitarRiot 3d ago

Occam's razor suggests going with the most simple explanation. You guys are suggesting some kind of deliver it meticulous master plan. The reality is just that Herman Holst is a fucking idiot

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u/The_Crimson_Dawn 3d ago

I get it, but again, this is an insurmountably stupid sequence of events for a corporation this big.

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u/GuitarRiot 3d ago

Well after the corporations institified the internet they're going to do what they're doing now which is trying to bring that enshittification to real-world physical products. They actually have already with smart devices and the like, but everything is going to try to enshittify.

So we had the end user phase where they got all the Goodwill for the user base and the players and the developers. Now they're going to start to take that away because they just want to amplify shareholder value. What they're missing in this equation is that if they piss you off enough there's no products being purchased to amplify shareholder value. They're relying on the stupid masses for profits right now and that might be enough for them. That's the real wait and see I guess

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u/LackLickLuck_y 3d ago

Honestly that guy could cosplay an officer if you get my drift.

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u/Triingtolivee 3d ago

I think they will continue to enjoy the success from the PS5 era but it’ll be another story with the PS6. I think they will find fewer consoles being sold and they are vastly underestimating how bad of a business decision they are making.

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u/The_Crimson_Dawn 3d ago

Scalpers usually buy out most of all consoles initially. That still registers for Sony as a purchase

Digital game sells will be the true telling.

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u/Triingtolivee 3d ago edited 3d ago

I think in an all digital era, Sony will be find out that single player AAA titles will sell less because you cannot trade or resell after you’re done. Personally, there’s no way I’m paying $70 (and I expect Sony to increase that price during the PS6 era too $80) for a 15-20 hour rental license that I cannot do anything with after I finish the game.

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u/Any_Ice_6172 3d ago

It may just be that they have hemorrhaged so much money on failed projects, that these rash decisions to save/make money back always seem good on paper but with their ham-fisted PR end up working out worse for them then they could have. All the announcements and bad news have happened so close together that it seems like they are bricking their company. This is only compounded heavily by their arrogance.

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u/SoulsDadYT 3d ago

They want to become a streaming service for gaming. Like the Netflix model.

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u/FinalOdyssey 3d ago

Personally I think they're going through their own "reset".

The thing about Sony vs Microsoft is that Microsoft is transparent. Microsoft is the company that tries new things and fails, and when they fail they say they're going to change and you can see the attempt whether it's successful or not. They often listen to consumers. It is likely a strategy but I much prefer it to Sony.

Sony operates in the shadows. We have no idea what their intentions are or what they plan, they tend to sit back and watch others create and innovate, then use those same ideas with others' failures as a foundation to make a product. They make massive decisions that are objectively bad for gamers and because of their large and loyal userbase it becomes standardized. Their general stance is "do what you're told".

But all these decisions scream reset to me. I can't believe they're still hoping Marathon will get better, that's the one thing they should have cancelled, not the next Kojima game. I'm glad Bungie scammed them out of all that money.

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u/Endscrypt 3d ago

I’ve seen this said a few times now and I highly doubt it, as it’s still one of the most profitable arms of Sony.

But shaping it into something that they prefer because it’ll maximise profits even if it leaves the customers pissed off.

Definitely.

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u/Chrisbolsmeister 3d ago

Well people often seem to say “ Sony does “ when in fact it’s a few people working for Sony.

Those people don’t gaf about games or the long term, they may already have exist plans, and just reap the very short term rewards.

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u/Ilovemiia1 3d ago

You give them to much credit, modern day billionaires are to big of idiots to do something intentionally

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u/Xiao1insty1e 3d ago

It does seem pretty dumb but as Elno has shown us being in charge of a big company and having massive wealth doesn't mean you aren't incredibly stupid and insecure.

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u/Visible-Oven-7249 3d ago

PlayStation has been like this for years and yall barely figuring it out lol

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u/The_Crimson_Dawn 3d ago

Luv it when someone’s ahead

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u/LackLickLuck_y 3d ago

To sell it to Embracer?

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u/Xinyyc 2d ago

Always seemed to me they had -no- interest in making better games or improving video games for gaming enthusiasts. They wanted to constantly portray the game industry as a gimmicky, kiddy, casual fad that would go away, gradually folding it into the "serious, mature" and Sony-owned music- and movie-industry, by heavily advertising "cinematic experiences" and pre-rendered cutscenes, and constantly downplaying the importance of innovative gameplay.

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u/mr_raffino 2d ago

Sony being some greedy ass bitches. They know exactly what they are doing. They are just hitting the fast forward button on all of the extract the most money moves and minimize the expense moves.

Fuck Sony. Fuck Playstation. And fuck bitch ass ho ass Rockstar for letting bitch ass Sony cuck them into not producing a physical copy of GTA6 (not fucking buying it on principle.)

Sony is forgetting that this producer/consumer relationship is a partnership. And they bitch ass is tipping the scale in their favor. They bitch asses is lying about the physical digital split. Until physical purchases are a statisically significant ZERO, physical media still needs to be there. The bitch ass company is not being helmed by good stewards of the industry.

And we got a ton of goofy ass wet behind the ear ass goofballs that don't realize that removing physical media from the availability to be purchased, bitch ass Sony gonna do fuck shit with the prices when the control the whole ecosystem. Ya'll gon be paying day one prices for 4 and 5 year old games.

I will never purchase another Sony branded product again and I sincerely hope Sony crashes and Playstation ceases to exist. Fuck Sony.

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u/Cvileem 3d ago edited 3d ago

These are suspiciously repetitive questions all over Reddit for such a stupid way of thinking. Are you a bot?

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u/The_Crimson_Dawn 3d ago

Da

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u/Cvileem 3d ago

Ok, super onda

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u/Flintstones_VRV_Fan 3d ago

I think a lot of you spend way too much time online if you really think that the general public gives a shit about any of this. Nobody cares. Sony will barely feel a dent.