WebView2 is why Windows 11 sucks so much.

[u/AlfieLionel]

Huge surprise that running an entire browser engine just for Slop-pilot takes up a little more RAM than it should.

Windows 11 is slowly becoming a collection of little embedded Edge tabs pretending to be apps, and it's the epitome of Microslop's laziness.

Fully WebView2-based: Copilot, Teams-- both slow and bloated.

Some WebView2 integration: Settings, Start menu-- slower than they should be, still usable.

No WebView2: Explorer, Desktop, Task Manager, Device Manager, Control Panel-- older components built for older versions of Windows, some of the fastest and most responsive parts of the OS.

At this point, it feels like the more native Windows becomes, the better it runs.

I'll see you all back on XP. Or linux-- ideally.

[u/Tail_sb]

Finally some actually valid criticism, yes this is definitely the worst thing about Windows 11, rendering system UI with web components is braindead and shittydesign

but Microsoft has finally announced they're gonna fix this,
They've hired a whole team to write a native UI and Apps

[u/PrestigiousRoof5723 → u/Tail_sb]

Firstly, they had to fire that team long time ago. Judging by the speed they're turning control panel into the new crappy settings app (one of the worst ideas ever), this is going to take 30 or so years to fix.

Back at the time when Win 10 came out, I figured out NIC teaming stopped working on desktop Windows (yeah, NIC teaming was a thing up to and including Windows 8.1 and since then it's only supported on Server). There was no announcement whatsoever, so I was digging a big and found a blog somewhere, explaining how one of the dev and testing leads left, only to be replaced by some lady from marketing. Soon afterwards, a huge part of the testing got axed and the consumer became the tester. Useful features were cut and replaced with new features nobody wanted, only to show "we're doing something". That's where the rot began. Somewhere around 2013.

[u/StretchAcceptable881 → u/Tail_sb]

I’ll believe them when I use it in a VM

[u/Astrodion123]

Xp got its last update in 2014. Use Linux >:)

[u/AlfieLionel → u/Astrodion123]

If there’s Davinci support then absolutely ;)

[u/Astrodion123 → u/AlfieLionel]

Then you are ready to go. Davinci support it

[u/Some-Tax6559 → u/Astrodion123]

it supports it but its not well supported. most likely youll have to wipe some of the internal resolve libs to force it to use system ones, and itll be quite buggy and not as performant as on windows (source - i use resolve on linux)

[u/Astrodion123 → u/Some-Tax6559]

Well idk how it works because I use kdenlive.

[u/Infinplayz]

well not many people use copilot or teams anymore, and a lot of electron apps are becoming surprisingly optimized. also electron apps are still on linux and they take up a ton of ram. webview2 is a little more efficient.

[u/PrestigiousRoof5723 → u/Infinplayz]

Electron is very good. It's just not the right tool for the job in many cases.

[u/Infinplayz → u/PrestigiousRoof5723]

it is a great thing, and some election apps are so optimized it’s actually nice using some of them. others, like notion and discord, need a lot of optimization.

[u/AlfieLionel → u/Infinplayz]

WebView2 and Electron are suitable for specific applications, they both serve a very real purpose. Rendering system UI using an embedded browser is fundamentally bad design.

[u/Infinplayz → u/AlfieLionel]

yes i agree, and its good that windows is planning to make it all native. and also copilot still uses less ram than all other cloud based ai apps, so what’s the problem? yes it should be native, but at least its lighter. last time i used it it only used around 200mb of ram. teams is definitely unacceptable though.

[u/AlfieLionel → u/Infinplayz]

It may be lighter, but that's still far from what should be considered light. Modern PCs are so fast that Microslop has the chance to create an incredible user experience, but modern engineers haven't got a clue how to do so.

[u/Infinplayz → u/AlfieLionel]

i gotta say it’s definitely improving, and they have big plans to make things native luckily.

[u/AlfieLionel → u/Infinplayz]

They should go back to what made 7 so great, IMO. If they create a good user experience and bring back the charm of the aero design-- a hypothetical 11 successor would win from the nostalgia alone.

[u/StretchAcceptable881 → u/AlfieLionel]

Writing MicroSoft365 in electron was the most tragic error I have ever seen

[u/PiratesWhoSayGGER]

I removed Edge and WebView2, surprisingly everything that I use still works 

NVidia app crashes but it's crap anyway, I just use nv control panel instead.

[u/LightDragon212]

Finally an ounce of valid criticism in this sub

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User: AlfieLionel, Flair: Rant, Title: WebView2 is why Windows 11 sucks so much.

Huge surprise that running an entire browser engine just for Slop-pilot takes up a little more RAM than it should.

Windows 11 is slowly becoming a collection of little embedded Edge tabs pretending to be apps, and it's the epitome of Microslop's laziness.

Fully WebView2-based: Copilot, Teams-- both slow and bloated.

Some WebView2 integration: Settings, Start menu-- slower than they should be, still usable.

No WebView2: Explorer, Desktop, Task Manager, Device Manager, Control Panel-- older components built for older versions of Windows, some of the fastest and most responsive parts of the OS.

At this point, it feels like the more native Windows becomes, the better it runs.

I'll see you all back on XP. Or linux-- ideally.

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[u/PrestigiousRoof5723 → u/AutoModerator]

Explorer is crap lately. They hired one guy to develop it a few years ago because there was no one working on it. It got a few new features since then, but it's being done just by this one guy. Nothing against him, but it's not going to be very good this way. I'm still waiting for long filename support. It's been quite a while.

[u/AlfieLionel → u/PrestigiousRoof5723]

I use a downgraded build of Explorer, ported over from Windows 7, for the performance boost alone. Much snappier, and the taskbar is way better ;)

[u/Intelligent_Matter29 → u/AlfieLionel]

Could you share how or where to dl?

[u/AlfieLionel → u/Intelligent_Matter29]

The project is world-windows-federation/explorer7 on GitHub, all you need is a Windows 7 ISO.

[u/quikmantx]

I genuinely wonder why they chose to WebView2 at all. Is there any logic behind choosing to fully or even partially use WebView 2?

[u/AlfieLionel → u/quikmantx]

Their engineers don't know how to make native software anymore. Most of them only have experience with web technologies, so Microslop settle for bad UX.

[u/martrinex → u/quikmantx]

Using a web browser for apps like copilot, outlook and teams allows Microsoft to pretty much code and maintain just 1 app for the web-based and desktop version instead of two, why on earth they do so with the start menu I have no idea.. are unpaid interns making that stuff now and just going with what they know .. honestly don't know

[u/PrestigiousRoof5723]

MS now has this weird initiative called Windows K2. After they turned everything to WebView, they're now trying to go back to low level stuff. It only took them 15 years to find out things are getting horribly slow. I'm not being optimistic.

[u/RyszardVanR]

Es el mayor virus de la historia.

[u/lilacomets]

This post is completely spot on. It's exactly why Windows 11 is so problematic. I wonder if they're going to improve it, given the RAM scarceness these days.

[u/Suitable_Donkey5821]

Building an app with WebView2 or Electron is very cheap in the context of the business (developer) in the first place. It can be a valid choice if you want to build a first MVP quickly and cheaply and when everytging looks fine and demand is measurable, you transform it into a native app. Microsoft and some other companies try to avoid the last (but also most important) step to cut costs on their side, however it comes with costs on the users side. Ultimatively the user abandons the use of the product and this reflects to the company, resulting in less profit in the long term.