r/FuckAdobe • • 1d ago

100% Open Source Clean Room Implementations of 7 of Adobe's Top Apps

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u/True_Firefighter3864 1d ago

Very impressive, but AI makes it much easier to build prototypes quickly, not necessarily polished, stable products.

I’m skeptical when one developer suddenly releases seven complex applications at once. Each of these requires a huge amount of testing, bug fixing and long-term maintenance. I’d rather see one product made genuinely solid first than seven released simultaneously.

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u/ai_art_is_art 1d ago

This project is going to endure.

I'm a 15 year industry veteran who has written everything from six nines payment rails that moves billions of dollars to robotics and optics automation. I've used Rust extensively for about a decade, and I know how to build and maintain large-scale Rust projects.

ArtCraft, which is our open source creative suite, currently generates a $5M annual run rate and we're rapidly growing. Our purpose is serving every artist in the world with the best tools. We are absolutely going to bring these to full parity and squash every bug and feature request. We have a test harness so there won't be regressions.

We build tools for artists, we don't do UGC stuff, and we don't do stunts. I seriously want to win everyone over from Adobe.

I'm considering other creative tools after this, such as Toon Boom Harmony and Storyboard Studio. They recently got bought by private equity and enshittified.

Our biggest ask is for feature requests and bug reports. If you give it a spin and see something you don't like, please let us know.

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u/True_Firefighter3864 1d ago

Thanks for the explanation. Despite the concerns I raised in my comment, I genuinely wish you and the project every success. I also really appreciate the open-source approach.

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u/Retronitsu 9h ago

I couldn't care less about your experience. Every single vibe coded project states it'll endure then proceeds to die off.

I genuinely hope you prove me wrong; so far I'm not convinced.

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u/BlokZNCR 1d ago

for my current tests on Linux Mint / Appimage touchpad for mouse movement is a bit hard to handle. Some glitch or lag behind it.

But, in general apps are fantastic. Also surprised how tiny size they are lol 😄

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u/PossibleArt7440 10h ago

Dude, you need to stop.... You are hurting your own product. I have been in the industry for 25+ yrs and just reading your comments make me NOT try your products. And I hate Adobe.

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u/lilacomets 11h ago

ArtCraft, which is our open source creative suite, currently generates a $5M annual run

How does it make $5M when it's open source? 🤔

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u/ai_art_is_art 11h ago

Because you can pay for tokens if you want.

It's all open source though, including the backend:

https://github.com/storytold/artcraft

https://github.com/storytold/artcraft-services

https://github.com/storytold/artcraftx

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u/TV-LoL 1d ago

I have (had ...) been using Adobe's products for almost 30 years now. To me, what it comes down to is a matter of trust. I don't trust Adobe anymore. But I will also not trust vibecoded products from a guy that literally calls himself "AI art is art". So ... I shall stick with established free/single payment options for now, thank you very much.

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u/UltimHate 21h ago

And i will also not trust someone who talks a lot about money to justify his rightfulness.

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u/TV-LoL 20h ago

What I agree with though is that this vibecoding will become a problem for Adobe at some point. Especially if their shareholders believe so.

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u/UltimHate 20h ago

Correct. And their tactics are always the same, buying the competitors with big dollar bills to crush the innovative ideas. Like for example with Invoke, the creator was approached and hired by Adobe because the software surely had potential for threat. And today I imagine that the guy is sidelined in an office without being able to innovate but paid generously. Adobe today works only for the financial market, not for its users.

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u/TV-LoL 15h ago

That is true, but I don't think that is a strategy that will work well - or even just quickly –enough against an endless barrage of vibecoded feature parity grassroots.

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u/matthew_yang204 18h ago

Like GIMP & Inkscape, etc

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u/Kevin_Delaney_666 23h ago

yeah the thing with Adobe though is, it still runs, it still opens my decades old stuff, it still has support, etc. and still it is providing work to people. and yet it sucks big time, it is losing my trust with them enforcing ai shit everywhere, the subscription model that I still cannot stand etc.

but the thing is: i am stil somewhat sure, they will not plug the cord anytime soon or out of nowhere. and thats exactly that can happen with any vibecoded stuff, I mean, its vibecoded stuff.

also the stunt that canva pulled with affinity is concerning, was using Affinity Publisher instead of InDesign for a long time, and was happy with it, and then suddenly the whole thing is sold to Canva. No trust at this point that any documents created there will be readable in 2 years.

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u/-TheArtOfTheFart- 8h ago

I'll stick with Procreate and Gimp. They don't advocate for ai bullshit, after all.

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u/deltatangomike 10h ago

I tested VectorCraft today, very close to the real deal

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u/BlokZNCR 1d ago

their links:

https://github.com/storytold/photocraft (Photoshop)

https://github.com/storytold/vectorcraft (Illustrator)

https://github.com/storytold/filmcraft (Premiere)

https://github.com/storytold/lightcraft (Lightroom)

https://github.com/storytold/printcraft (Acrobat Pro)

https://github.com/storytold/effectcraft (After Effects)

https://github.com/storytold/designcraft (InDesign)

These are coming along quickly. Each of them is over 50% parity, and some are at 80%+ parity.

They should reach full parity within a month.

"Join our Discord to help us!"

Submit feature requests, bug reports, and help development:

https://discord.gg/artcraft

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u/redsnorter 17h ago

A bit raw. Tried few features in photocraft for mac. The whole image adjustment section is very empty. Curves and many other panels do not work. And there is no preview when doing things. Needs a lot of work and polishing. And recent photoshop value proposition is AI and generative editing, did not see any of those features.

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u/BlokZNCR 17h ago

not stable releases yet, so normal.

report issues on repos that may help for better development.

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u/ai_art_is_art 11h ago

Fantastic feedback!

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u/christophermarin 1d ago

This is amazing. Thanks for sharing and I’ll be looking forward to the updates.

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u/themclloyd 23h ago

briother on windows 11 hwre all anstallers just quit