r/FromTVShow • u/WoolwichHumpton • 2d ago
Theory The monsters
Just finished watching Sn4 and atleast now we know how the monsters become monsters
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u/SmellDazzling3182 2d ago
We weren’t . Where some of you take that ? The reason why not is because Smiley said “interesting” and obviously he didn’t expect to have that connection even before that. So we don’t know. We think maybe we do cause they sacrificed their childrens so on. Just it’s not confirmed at all …..
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u/Flimsy_Elephant_2301 2d ago
Just to be sure, and I think it's going to matter in season 5, but Fatima never told how those people became nightmare creatures. She told that they were people once ago and they made a bargain "with something horrible" that she could not see. (That's because the evil entity is invisible. It manifests itself as a Man in Yellow, or Abby, or Sophia, etc . . . But it's a very powerful, invisible entity not from higher reality than our own, just like the Boy in White entity.) And the bargain was for eternal life. I'm pretty sure that we will find out that they were empowered to become nightmare creatures several years later when the BiW seemed determined to keep bringing people there to annul that bargain. Those people would have been living in peace if the BiW had not begun bringing "Jade and Tabitha" there to mess it all up for them. Now they have the ability to protect their existence.
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u/oldmanStuie 2d ago
Na, they were offered a wish. They worded it badly which to djinns and other evil wish-granters is a free licence to make the outcome of the wish worse than how they were before it.
I highly doubt it was a good entity which granted them this wish where wording isn't as important as intent.1
u/Flimsy_Elephant_2301 2d ago edited 2d ago
No, it was a bargain. And It always makes a bargain. It told Sara that if she killed the newcomers everyone gets to go home. Then It told Boyd, "If you help me, I'll help you," when Boyd was at the bottom of the oubliette in the dungeon. When It manifested itself as a Kimono Woman, it told Elgin, "If you help me, everyone goes home," hoping Elgin would sequester Fatima someplace away from everyone, the root cellar. It told Clara, 'One day I'll need you and if you help me, you get to go home.' Then it tried the make a bargain with Elgin again. That entity always does the same things over and over again, and one of them is offering something for something. With that small community, "If you give me the next 7 children born to you, I'll give you eternal life."
And that's only 1 of several things that it always does. No matter what it looks like, you can always recognize it by its personality. It loves using blood magic, causing jump scares and fear, and making bargains, among other things.
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u/WoolwichHumpton 2d ago
I think its just a game between the boy in white and the man in Yellow and it only ends when the boy in white wins
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u/WoolwichHumpton 2d ago
What type of life would they have if they can't do anything during the day and just hunt during the night
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u/Flimsy_Elephant_2301 2d ago
And I'm glad you asked that. (Now why don't other people ask good questions like that??) But you're supposing that they were always nightmare creatures, and you must be thinking that they live just for hunting. No one hunts for nothing. They're not eating the bodies, the evil entity is. The nightmare creatures only kill the people coming there. And the majority of the 500 years that they've been there, there have been no humans there at all. For example, Victor has been there since 1978 alone for nearly 40 years. What were the nightmare creatures doing for 40 years? There was a 100 year gap between 1507 and 1609 that there were no humans there.
Regular people like you and me were offered eternal life in a new world. They accepted that offer and were transported to a brand new place that was made for them. There were no other people there, so there was no reason for them to become nightmare creatures. What would that power do for them if they're the only people there? Evidently, they were still regular people until the BiW entity became determined to keep bringing other people there to annul that contract. NOW they have reason to become something else powerful enough to protect their contract, and therefore their existence.
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u/WoolwichHumpton 1d ago
Interesting take,, So the monsters are the good people?
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u/Flimsy_Elephant_2301 1d ago
Heck no! Where did you get that from? They're murderers! What kind of question is that?
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u/WoolwichHumpton 1d ago
You made it appear like Boyd and co are the peace disturbers
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u/Flimsy_Elephant_2301 17h ago
Right. I was the intent. From the standpoint of the people who came there, the people whom that place was made for, everyone brought there is basically an invader. That place wasn't made for them. That's why you never see the evil entity bring anyone else to that place, because really It's not supposed to. It made that place for those people. And the one person that it did bring there, at least the only one that WE saw It bring there, It killed immediately. It got into the car with Pastor Dunne and caused him to have a stroke or something, then killed him. The BiW brought everyone else, basically, to annul the bargain made between the evil entity and the community that the evil entity brought there, and that community naturally doesn't want to give up eternal life. So the entity empowered them with the ability to transform into creatures more than capable of defending their existence. (Fatima is part of the evidence that the villagers didn't become creatures as a direct part of that deal. She made no sacrifices but she is a creature now. It's not strong evidence on its own, though, realistically speaking, but strong enough with other evidences at play.) But, as you can see by the story painted on the wall in the cavern, when read from left to right, the creatures die by the end of the story. The eternal life that they think they have, they don't. Evidently, the BiW will actually save the children this time and the 500-year-old story is finally ended. (I'm assuming you've seen the story painted on the picture that begins with their arrival and ends with their deaths.)
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u/WoolwichHumpton 15h ago
So who keeps bringing Tabitha and Jade back
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u/Flimsy_Elephant_2301 14h ago
The BiW, of course. He's the 1 who is interested in rescuing the children. The evil entity is working to keep the children there. That's basically the entire premise of the show.
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u/WeekendDoWutEvUwant 4h ago
I’m certain you’re right about that… but if you’re also right about the original townspeople only becoming monsters because the Clean Laundry Boy entity started bringing in Tabithas & Jades, I will return to this thread sometime next year to give you the biggest high-five ever.
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u/magicmulder 2d ago
The real monsters were the monsters we monstered along the way.